News Ollie Greaves possible NGA 2025 - AFL secret formula says no

[I got the outside word]

I’m confident. It’s confidence based off nothing, but confident none the less.

 

[Jason Dunstall]

I totally agree. More just interested as it feels the only way the afl will possibly decline it is if they deem it to be too distant.

My, wouldn't that open a can of worms!

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[Simon Crawshay]

Correct,
Thats why Gold Coast always trade out of their top picks because they would get eaten up by matched bids, same as Essendon trading their first to Melbourne for a future 1st
so we could trade Carltanks pick for say 2 second rounders & a third which would go towards a point haul

I'm assuming we cant trade Carltons pick to another club for their future first given that would be trading two years into the future.

Its all going to depend on where Carlton finish but we can definitely still come out ahead with some smart pick swaps.

Its obvious that its a system that is ripe for exploitation so we may as well exploit it like every other club does.

 

[kirbatron]

time to calsh in on some more freebies!

bring ollie home

 

[play2win]

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Whilst we had rights to calsher as a father/son prospect, no one bid on him and we just drafted him anyway iirc

 

[Whistling Hawk]

Whilst we had rights to calsher as a father/son prospect, no one bid on him and we just drafted him anyway iirc

Same with Cody Anderson last year as an NGA. We drafted him rather than matched someone else’s bid.

 

[peetoo]

If this is signed off, the trading with Carlton’s picks is going to be a must watch

 

[VernonSpots]

As a player of indigenous descent, does that mean he qualifies for an NGA somewhere no matter what? Or are there still indigenous kids that go through the open draft.

 

[Sixpence]

Whilst we had rights to calsher as a father/son prospect, no one bid on him and we just drafted him anyway iirc

Yes, but in hindsight, he would have been bid on much, much earlier!

Still a massive win for us regardless.

 

[Hawk88]

The thing that is annoying is, if this was North or Saints this would go through without an issue

We are Hawthorn and the AFL hates us so will 100% be declined

 

[I got the outside word]

The thing that is annoying is, if this was North or Saints this would go through without an issue

We are Hawthorn and the AFL hates us so will 100% be declined

Didn’t North try it with Sander’s and got rejected?

 

[DogDaySonny]

As a player of indigenous descent, does that mean he qualifies for an NGA somewhere no matter what? Or are there still indigenous kids that go through the open draft.

If a kids got talent, clubs would be fools not to nominate them no matter where they may go in the draft, even if they miss being picked all together.

 

[TylerDurden]

Didn’t North try it with Sander’s and got rejected?

Correct weight.

 

[Hawkspot]

Didn’t North try it with Sander’s and got rejected?

Nope, they applied a month before the draft and the AFL approved it.

Their plan was to ask for the AFL to allow them to draft him as NGA as part of their assistance package. It was only after pick 40 at that point, so they needed more special treatment to get him.

I don’t think that was approved as the league and fans were already pissed off about the gifts they got for being incompetent.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Didn’t North try it with Sander’s and got rejected?

They actually got approved but it later got rescinded because of the assistance package they had applied for.

 

[Brant]

I'm assuming we cant trade Carltons pick to another club for their future first given that would be trading two years into the future.

We definitely can, if we want to.

Might leave us short on points to match the Greaves bid, but it's our call.

If we were to lose 2-3 depth players for 2nd / 3rd Round Picks then it definitely comes into play.

 

[HawthornHawk]

Correct weight.

He got into their academy at the 11th hour but that was when you couldn't bid before pick 40

 

[hr_23]

I'm assuming we cant trade Carltons pick to another club for their future first given that would be trading two years into the future.

Its all going to depend on where Carlton finish but we can definitely still come out ahead with some smart pick swaps.

Its obvious that its a system that is ripe for exploitation so we may as well exploit it like every other club does.

i believ it would be fine to trade Carlton pick as Greeves would be a first rounder so he would be the selection for th epast 2 years

 

[Brant]

i believ it would be fine to trade Carlton pick as Greeves would be a first rounder so he would be the selection for th epast 2 years

It's 2x 1st Round Picks per 4yrs, isn't it - not 1x selection every 2yrs?

 

[hr_23]

It's 2x 1st Round Picks per 4yrs, isn't it - not 1x selection every 2yrs?

probably changing again now you can trade 3 years into the future

 

[offtherails9]

The application is for him to be part of our NGA program.

Yeah, quite aware of that. I'm just worried it'll be knocked back if it seems we are just trying to piggyback on the development Oliver has received from his TAC/school/local club and we have had nothing to do with it.

How so? Cody Anderson was only added late. IF he is in the zone and meets the criteria it's no different to JUH, Mackenzie, Kako or Jiath. NGAs aren't actually academies, they are just lists of eligible players.

But it does sound like we've already had him down at training and worked with him. And if we are applying for it, that means 1. he must be eligible. 2. He wants to go to hawthorn as NGA 3. We want him at Hawthorn.

If it doesn't happen then the AFL have screwed us over with a rule change. Just like we missed on Tew Jiath or saints on Cam Mackenzie but dogs didn't miss on JUH a few years earlier.

I'm not sure of anything regarding Anderson sorry.
And none of those other players you mentioned except a little on Jiath. NGAs are programs run by clubs which basically expose young Indigenous individuals to our game and the elite environment. I know of the clubs near me having these programs and occasionally playing games etc.
Oliver being at the club for training was more to do with the AIS than anything else so I'm not sure that's worth much either.
The quote in the article regarding the last 12 months is of interest, possibly he could have been involved in some things over the past year but I'm wondering if he was involved to a level where he's using the gym, having days at the club etc would he then not already be part of the program?

I don't think we can cry too foul based off what I've heard from those within the industry and in comparison to ones like Jiath, Mackenzie or Mac Andrew with the Demons.

And let me make it clear, I'd love to get this guy for nothing, he sounds like a jet. But I'm holding my horses before I get excited thinking it's a sure thing.

 

[TheFourPillars]

The thing that is annoying is, if this was North or Saints this would go through without an issue

We are Hawthorn and the AFL hates us so will 100% be declined

I think the saints would be feeling very aggrieved personally

 

[cryptor]

I think the saints would be feeling very aggrieved personally

When are they not?

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

I think the saints would be feeling very aggrieved personally

Imagine waking up an 'Aint's fan!

 

[ahhhhhh]

Class of 2025: Clubs bracing for compromised draft

Clubs are bracing for up to 40 per cent of the 2025 draft pool to have ties to clubs through fathers and academies

www.afl.com.au

Twomey trying hard to screw us.