On the outer. How would Harry McKay and Darcy Parish trade value compare

[jdstorm]

it’s no secret that Parish isn’t overly popular with Essendon fans. It’s a long time since his AA blazer and top 5 Brownlow finish. And the topic of him and another club desiring another is many a supporters fantasy

With the way picks are overvalued you won’t get anything fair doing a direct trade for a pick but what about doing a trade for another clubs list challenge

Carlton seems to have a similar impasse with Harry McKay

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Harry Mckay

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. Since his 2021 Coleman medal it hasn’t all been smooth sailing at Carlton with health issues and various accuracy struggles over the ensuing seasons.

In many ways these players journeys feel somewhat similar. I don’t believe either Essendon or Carlton would want the player they don’t currently have.

Hypothetically if they also didn’t want the player they do have I’m curious how their value would compare.

I would favor McKay only due to positional scarcity. It’s pretty easy to find a smaller mid. Not so much a 200cm key forward.

Id say Parish is probably worth a pick in the early 20s (if the Caleb Daniel

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Caleb Daniel

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deal is anything to go bye) from a team that needs an extractor and is optimistic they can get a glimpse of the production he showed at his best.

For McKay I’d say probably 1 pick in the 10-15 range and a pick in the 30s

 

[Foxman98]

Parish is always injured is a shit kick had one decent season, Daniel was a constantly decent HB for 3-4 years (North also needed leadership hence the over pay)

Parish is worth a late 2nd early 1st at best

McKay despite being hot and cold is a semi decent 200cm+ KPF worth a mid first

The 2 are very different players valuewise

 

[adonski]

I am of the strong view everyone overrates draft picks (outside the top 5 or so of the draft where the proper game changers typically get picked)

If you assume a decent run of health (both physical and mental)

McKay = top 10 pick or two late firsts
Parish = Pick between 15 - 20

I assume people will SCOFF at the Parish evaluation but would a team like Jeeeeelong prefer Darcy Parish

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Darcy Parish

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or pick 15 which becomes pick 50 after bids?

 

[Foxman98]

I am of the strong view everyone overrates draft picks (outside the top 5 or so of the draft where the proper game changers typically get picked)

If you assume a decent run of health (both physical and mental)

McKay = top 10 pick or two late firsts
Parish = Pick between 15 - 20

I assume people will SCOFF at the Parish evaluation but would a team like Jeeeeelong prefer Darcy Parish or pick 15 which becomes pick 50 after bids?

Bailey Smith just went for pick 17

 

[jdstorm]

Bailey Smith just went for pick 17

To be fair Geelong pays with a different currency than every other team. Can’t use them as a barometer for fair. (And smith was a wing/hhf with a dodgy knee and drug history

 

[banzai]

Bailey Smith just went for pick 17

And Daniel Rioli went for 6 and 20 or something in the same trade period.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

McKay = top 10 pick or two late firsts

Thing is, a team wouldn't just be trading for McKay the player, they'd also be trading for the five years remaining on his contract. Given it was signed the year after he won the Coleman, it's probably for a decent amount per year too. That devalues him unless Carlton are willing to pay some of his salary.

 

[Carl]

Thing is, a team wouldn't just be trading for McKay the player, they'd also be trading for the five years remaining on his contract. Given it was signed the year after he won the Coleman, it's probably for a decent amount per year too. That devalues him unless Carlton are willing to pay some of his salary.

So how much would you pay him per year on a five year contract?

How much would you pay Oscar Allen? You would think he would want atleast 5 years to move.

Just out of curiosity who is the better player?

 

[brutus76]

KPF more premium than midfielders

So if we're talking a straight swap the Dons throw a future 2nd or 3rd as the steak knives

 

[jakson68]

It would all depend on who is being traded to who.
Some clubs dont need picks, so would happily pay overs for a perceived missing piece of their puzzle.
Other clubs would give what they can and try to be fair, though sometimes their hands are tied.
Then there are the clubs that have no interest in being fair and reasonable. We will just call them Geelong

 

[cAsEy_18]

I know we're just talking in general terms here, but Carlton don't need Parish. They need pace, they need class, good ball users etc... What Parish can actually bring to the table, they already have. His weaknesses are also Carlton's weaknesses (If you were working under the hypothetical of you could trade each other's problems to each other).

Parish in the right system can work. He'd work at Geelong. I imagine he'd be useful to St. Kilda. There are a couple of interstate teams that he probably wouldn't entertain but could help.

Their value individually is hard to determine. It really depends on what a team currently has, as to whether Parish/McKay could actually be a very solid asset, or surplus to a team's needs. Based on the age old saying, it's probably harder to find a good key forward, making that a higher need for more teams. Gives McKay a little more value.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

So how much would you pay him per year on a five year contract?

How much would you pay Oscar Allen? You would think he would want atleast 5 years to move.

Just out of curiosity who is the better player?

Couldn't tell you, I don't watch them both enough to say. That's why I'm not a list manager!

 

[Foxman98]

I know we're just talking in general terms here, but Carlton don't need Parish. They need pace, they need class, good ball users etc... What Parish can actually bring to the table, they already have. His weaknesses are also Carlton's weaknesses (If you were working under the hypothetical of you could trade each other's problems to each other).

Parish in the right system can work. He'd work at Geelong. I imagine he'd be useful to St. Kilda. There are a couple of interstate teams that he probably wouldn't entertain but could help.

Their value individually is hard to determine. It really depends on what a team currently has, as to whether Parish/McKay could actually be a very solid asset, or surplus to a team's needs. Based on the age old saying, it's probably harder to find a good key forward, making that a higher need for more teams. Gives McKay a little more value.

Parish has the same value if not less then Macrae a 3 time AA had last year given he would be on similar coin

 

[cAsEy_18]

Parish has the same value if not less then Macrae a 3 time AA had last year given he would be on similar coin

Yes we get it, Macrae is good, Daniels was good, Bailey Smith went for unders (common pattern forming here) and Parish is shit who only had one good year. I think I've got that right?

Parish is also 3 years younger than Macrae.

But yes, I am not sitting here talking up Parish's value.

 

[Foxman98]

Yes we get it, Macrae is good, Daniels was good, Bailey Smith went for unders (common pattern forming here) and Parish is shit who only had one good year. I think I've got that right?

Parish is also 3 years younger than Macrae.

But yes, I am not sitting here talking up Parish's value.

Parish has played 14 games in the last 2 years and is going at 25% by foot this year and got up to a whopping 53% last year,

He is slow and a poor kick none of which is valuable nowadays

 

[cAsEy_18]

Parish has played 14 games in the last 2 years and is going at 25% by foot this year and got up to a whopping 53% last year,

He is slow and a poor kick none of which is valuable nowadays

That's great.

 

[jdstorm]

Parish has the same value if not less then Macrae a 3 time AA had last year given he would be on similar coin

Parish is likely on about 500-600k since it was frontloaded deal a I think McRae was on significantly more. His contract post frontload in this new cap environment doesn’t seem overly bad assuming publicly available information is good

 

[THE_GUN]

Parish signed until 2028 probably on a big contract
3 more years i think the bombers would need to either trade him for a token late pick or pay decent amount of his contract for a team to take him.

Harry would still demand a top 10-12 pick

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Harry McKay = Modern day Ben Brown

I don't recall Big Benny Brown doing much up the ground. Just stood in the f50 and had a 500m run in when kicking for goal.

Harry is far more dynamic, probably why he towelled up SDK last time they played against one another.

 

[cecil]

Mackay would get a mid-late first rounder and possibly change. A club would still think they could get him to be a top 10 forward in the comp.

Parish is a dime a dozen mid (would he even be top 50 mids in the comp?). Pick 35ish. We robbed North for Caleb Daniel

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Caleb Daniel

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so it's not a good example.

 

[Donflicted]

Mackay would get a mid-late first rounder and possibly change. A club would still think they could get him to be a top 10 forward in the comp.

Parish is a dime a dozen mid (would he even be top 50 mids in the comp?). Pick 35ish. We robbed North for Caleb Daniel so it's not a good example.

Parish is a midfielder whos playstyle doesnt fit the modern style that footy is moving to

Slow bad by foot bad defensively can accumulate clearances but thats it

i dont speak for all dons fans but i would rather see someone else take his spot

 

[Sector 7G]

Harry McKay = Modern day Ben Brown

Do you mean he would make a contender lacking a key forward a Premiership winning team???

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Quite bizarre to be comparing these 2.. Even with my obvious Carlton bias Parish is not even in the same league as Harry. Also the myth that Carlton fans dont rate Harry could not be further from the truth.. Personally i would rather trade Charlie than Harry if we were forced into a decision but dont see any situation where we trade either.

FWIW - Parish trade value is prob a late first rounder or early 2nd
Harry would be a top 10 pick + another first rounder.

 

[Donflicted]

Quite bizarre to be comparing these 2.. Even with my obvious Carlton bias Parish is not even in the same league as Harry. Also the myth that Carlton fans dont rate Harry could not be further from the truth.. Personally i would rather trade Charlie than Harry if we were forced into a decision but dont see any situation where we trade either.

FWIW - Parish trade value is prob a late first rounder or early 2nd
Harry would be a top 10 pick + another first rounder.

Agreed

I also think the only way we could get a first late rounder for Parish is if we pay his contract if its just a trade i think we could get a second at best

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Agreed

I also think the only way we could get a first late rounder for Parish is if we pay his contract if its just a trade i think we could get a second at best

Yes the late first is assuming it’s Geelong, their 1st will be a pick in the 20s which is about right and their 2nd is probably a bit low.. What is Parish on now, every chance he was front loaded when he signed and the tail end of his contract wouldn’t be that costly?