I think we listened to the same pods but yeah you're correct with a few of those takes. I prefer to think that the Lee/Cliff scene instead was trying to show how much of a badass he was, making the last scene even more believable. However the dent in the car probably does signify an unreliable narrator.Not sure if we need spoiler tags here but stop reading if you're avoiding them
Once you accept that the movie is both a homage to the Golden era of Hollywood (mostly the first half) and a fairytale/alternate history (mostly the second half) it becomes a lot more palatable. If you go in expecting the standard QT fare you'll be disappointed IMO.
As someone else said, there's definitely lots to unpack on this one and after I listened to a bit of analysis and breakdown on it, my appreciation grew.
My main takeaway though was it was one of Leo's best ever performances, possibly even his best ever IMO. The range he shows in this film is incredible. Not easy to play someone on the fringe of absolute self-doubt and confidence, he nails it.
Also it's extremely obvious that the Bruce Lee fight is a dream/memory as it starts and ends with Cliff looking up into the sky off with the clouds. When he comes back he shakes his head at the memory. Also the ridiculous damage done to the car is a sure sign of unreliable narrator. I get why Lee's family would be pi**ed/offended but not sure why it made the public domain. I think it showed him in quite a positive light in the scene with Tate.
Also, Margot Robbie has such a gravitas. Absolute star. I think it was great they had the original Sharon Tate in the scene in the movies. Her character was a counter to Dalton's character in that her career is just starting and she is enthusiastic and excited about Hollywood rather than jaded. She is looking at the positives of the whole thing and I think the decision to have her survive is part of what QT is trying to say with this movie.
It's a great movie, not Tarantino's best, but from the point of view that as an alternate history a lot more hinges on the events than Django Unchained or Inglorious Basterds. In the latter two, the bad guys ultimately lost in reality anyway, but in the former, they haven't. The politics of the hippies in the late 60s has become a dominant social force, for better or worse. Whereas had history happened like portrayed in Once Upon a Time, where the murder of a beautiful ingenue and her friends became instead a footnote in a new article where a bunch of home invaders got their comeuppance, a lot might have changed. Maybe no Jim Jones, maybe fewer aspiring serial killers through the 70s and 80s. Manson was the byword for evil for a generation, and inspiration for many. Imagine if that had happened differently.Just watched it. I enjoyed it, thought the acting was excellent and the ending violence brilliant.
I felt it struggled narratively from a thematic point of view, in that it lacked a clear story to tell, until I began to appreciate the hippies as representative of a changing America and, by killing them, Cliff and Dalton defeat their demons that have arisen due to a changing Hoolywood that has left them in the past. You can see at the end DiCaprio feels more at peace and appreciated. I think if you take that view, it ties the whole story together and really caps it off.
Not in the top 4 QT's but I enjoyed it more than the Kill Bills or Django
I'm a big fan of that era cars like Porsche 912 and VW Karmann Ghias so I loved those scenes. (Karmann Ghias never drove like that!) Polanski was driving a 1950s MG I think.Others have mentioned the long car scenes but I liked them, the noise, the complete lack of seat belts, not a care in the world type attitude. Especially the scene where Polanski was driving to the party with Tate. Long hair flowing, big motor roaring. Even Tate at the party, young, carefree, world at her feet.
Definitely ahead of The Hateful Eight in terms of critics reviews, possibly Jackie Brown as well, though the film has aged well in the 20 years since its release.Has it? I'm not really on the pulse with these things but everything I've heard has been universal praise.
How were you surprised by the violence then?Am typically a huge Tarantino fan, but absolutely hated this movie (aside from that 5 mins). Sat through the entire marathon thinking "WTF am I watching?".
First movie I've ever left the cinema happily to have a smoke break halfway through. Should've just kept smoking.