One of the great sides

[Mocca]

A win very reminiscent of the 1989 premiers. Cruelled by injuries before half time, and they just kept giving.

Jason Akermanis won't be able to walk tomorrow, and yet he has the courage and skill to kick the sealer.

Michael Voss - patently unfit. Yet he still manages to be his side's best player and lead, in every sense of the word, his team to a premiership.

Happy to slot them in just under the late 80s Hawks as the second greatest side I've seen.

 

[windyhill]

Buzzzzzzz !!!!!!....84/85 ?

 

[cornelia]

At least we won't have to put up with Matthews the thug whinging non stop.

 

[snakebite01]

Does anyone rate the Crows' sides of 97/98? We did it harder than Brisbane in the finals but don't seem to get the accolades we deserve.

 

[grayham]

Originally posted by snakebite01
Does anyone rate the Crows' sides of 97/98? We did it harder than Brisbane in the finals but don't seem to get the accolades we deserve.

No, because Brisbane (And Hawthorn) dominated both the H&A and finals.

 

[snakebite01]

Originally posted by grayham


No, because Brisbane (And Hawthorn) dominated both the H&A and finals.

We didn't have the advantages that Brisbane have and our home ground advantage isn't as great as Brisbane's. We had to play 6 out of 8 finals away from home to get our two flags but I s'pose you guys still think they were flukes.

 

[Thrawn]

What about Carlton in the late 70's, early 80's? Or what about Collingwood when they won four in a row? Brisbane is a fantastic side, but there were far better in the past. If Brisbane wins the flag next year, then they'll be up there.

 

[grayham]

Originally posted by snakebite01


We didn't have the advantages that Brisbane have and our home ground advantage isn't as great as Brisbane's. We had to play 6 out of 8 finals away from home to get our two flags but I s'pose you guys still think they were flukes.

No, Adelaides were great wins, just not dominant. Brisbane dont have any advantage that the crows didnt. It is very difficult for any interstate side to finish top 4 as it means you have to win a lot of games on the road, so Brisbane doing it twice is what they have over the crows.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by snakebite01
Does anyone rate the Crows' sides of 97/98?

No....

 

[Sinkers_9]

Originally posted by snakebite01
Does anyone rate the Crows' sides of 97/98? We did it harder than Brisbane in the finals but don't seem to get the accolades we deserve.

Yeah they were good, just not in the league of a lot of other teams.

They did well but they weren't as dominant for the whole year. They did well to win back to back though with the list they had.

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

The Crows were a gun team but were nowhere near Brissie. Brissie have dominated both their home and away seasons and Adelaide got a bit of luck in both their Premiership years

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Mocca


Happy to slot them in just under the late 80s Hawks as the second greatest side I've seen.

Nah, no way. You have to at least finish on top of the ladder AND win the Grand Final, before you can start claiming "best ever" tags. This Brisbane team is exceptionally good, but they couldn't do better than 17-5 in either season, or finish higher than 2nd after round 22.

Now 17-5 is good, but by premiership standards it is normal. You'd expect the premiership side in any given year to have approximately 17 wins and a percentage in the 130's, which is what Brisbane have done in both years.

It's very good, but there is nothing record-breaking or unusual about going 17-5 and winning the flag. It is simply normal, by premiership standards. Both years.

Some people might wrongly claim that the 2002 flag magically makes the 2001 flag side better. That is utter bullcrap of course. Each year produces one premiership side, irrespective of what happened the year beofre or the year after and these flag sides vary in quality from year to year.

 

[Stocka]

It all depends on what particular basis you are making your judgement from. Performance in one year . . . performance over a few years, or a decade . . . ability to win when it counts, etc.

Personally, I tend to think that almost every player in the Lions line-up, bar a few, would make the top 3 or so players in each of their respective positions for the league at this particular point in time (and over a duration of time).

To me, that is a fairly significant measure, of how good a side is, in comparison to the rest of the competition at the time.

Certainly there have been some absolutely brilliant sides put together over the years, and while I'm not sure that the current Brisbane Lions side would rank as the absolute best, I'm fairly sure they would qualify for the top 10, and maybe even close to the top 5.

 

[HTB Saints]

I would have thought the result in Rd 22 at AAMI statium proved once and for all that home and away records are not that relevant. In that game, one team went all out to secure top spot and boast the best H&A record for the year, and promptly lost a game the next week they would not have even contemplated losing, and got thumped in a preliminary final by the team they beat three weeks earlier. The other side, who had their eyes on the end game, then went bang (11 goal win) bang (10 goal win) bang (hard tough win), and won the real prize.

Brisbane are just sensational, a joy for the football purist to watch. They also have managed to string together a 20 game winning streak in that time, equally anything any other team has done in nearly 50 years.

 

[Falchoon]

Re: Re: One of the great sides

Originally posted by Dan26


Nah, no way. You have to at least finish on top of the ladder AND win the Grand Final, before you can start claiming "best ever" tags. This Brisbane team is exceptionally good, but they couldn't do better than 17-5 in either season, or finish higher than 2nd after round 22.

Now 17-5 is good, but by premiership standards it is normal. You'd expect the premiership side in any given year to have approximately 17 wins and a percentage in the 130's, which is what Brisbane have done in both years.

It's very good, but there is nothing record-breaking or unusual about going 17-5 and winning the flag. It is simply normal, by premiership standards. Both years.

To quote Leigh Matthews "I think this is a great football team, but it is very hard to compare with other eras. Even Essendon in 1999, 2000, 2001, they won just as many matches as us over 2 years, but we have won a couple of premierships and our system is about winning in September "

On the money HTB, maybe they could have won in rd 22, maybe Voss could have held off on his operation and been a greater contributor during the season, rather than in September. In Dans estimation Matthews should be making his sides greater by going for a larger percentage and more wins in H&A rather than working towards the premiership?

 

[Lockyer24]

Essendon 2000 would beat Brisbane 2002 in my opinion.

 

[Hawkforce]

Re: Re: One of the great sides

Originally posted by Dan26


Nah, no way. You have to at least finish on top of the ladder AND win the Grand Final, before you can start claiming "best ever" tags. This Brisbane team is exceptionally good, but they couldn't do better than 17-5 in either season, or finish higher than 2nd after round 22.

Nah...

Ya just have to keep winning the Flags.

 

[Grendel]

Re: Re: One of the great sides

Originally posted by Dan26

Some people might wrongly claim that the 2002 flag magically makes the 2001 flag side better. That is utter bullcrap of course. Each year produces one premiership side, irrespective of what happened the year beofre or the year after and these flag sides vary in quality from year to year.

2 changes to last years side (and one of them didnt touch the ball).

Essentially the same side in every aspect that counts, the key performers as are most 'back to back' sides. Its the core grouping that determines the quality. There is no argument as to the quality of Brisbanes core.

As to where I rate them, behind the Hawks 86-89(though there midfield is slightly superior there spine isnt in the same company). Also I would have the Dons of 84/85 ahead of them on physical pressure too. Have them slightly in front of Blues of 81/82. Thats going on sides I have personally seen.

 

[Tigerbob]

This is the best team ive ever seen, you just have to look at the players on the team and the record they have now! Not one weak spot.

Yesterday, Everything was going against them, injuries, umpires, the weather, the crowd, yet they were still able to get over the line and just win, simply remarkable.

I am 100% sure that if they are not totally hampered by injuries, they will quite easily three peat!

 

[The Hitman]

Originally posted by snakebite01
Does anyone rate the Crows' sides of 97/98? We did it harder than Brisbane in the finals but don't seem to get the accolades we deserve.

Originally posted by snakebite01
We didn't have the advantages that Brisbane have and our home ground advantage isn't as great as Brisbane's. We had to play 6 out of 8 finals away from home to get our two flags but I s'pose you guys still think they were flukes.

Are you ok.crows in disguise?

The Hitman

 

[Cyclops]

Anytime an interstate side wins a Grand Final is a top effort. I do rate Adelaide 97/98 as a class side (with a freakish coach), and I do rate this Brisbane side.

Dan it does matter who won the flag last year because everyone is out to get the Premier side. Brisbane have been hit harder and more often this year, just like Essendon were last year.

They travelled 2000 miles, played in unfamiliar cold conditions, picked up a bunch of injuries during the match, probably got the worse end of the umpiring and still won. A very strong effort by a tremendous team.

 

[SydneyBomber]

Originally posted by Lockyer24
Essendon 2000 would beat Brisbane 2002 in my opinion.

i am speechless. i am without speech.

what happened to the hatred flamingo?

i think i just found my new sig.

 

[saiak]

Oh, those injuries were SO harmful!!!
Dan, you are right, they have NEVER been minor premiers, so they can't be classed as one of the great teams!
Take that you pompous piece of **** Akermanis...He makes me hate the Lions!

 

[MarkT]

Re: Re: One of the great sides

Originally posted by Dan26
Nah, no way. You have to at least finish on top of the ladder AND win the Grand Final, before you can start claiming "best ever" tags. This Brisbane team is exceptionally good, but they couldn't do better than 17-5 in either season, or finish higher than 2nd after round 22.

I have to disagree with you here Dan. The H & A season exists for only one purpose. That is to qualify for the finals. There is do doubt Brisbane are a better side than Port Adelaide even though they did not finish on top at the end of the qualifying rounds. Essendon's 2000 team and Carlton's '95 team were clearly superior to the opposition and proved it when they won the GF. Essendon in 1999 and 2001 were not the best team in the comp. because they did not win the GF.

The winner of the GF is the best team in the comp. Measuring by H & A wins is onlyu relevant over an extended period where the teams wins multiple flags. The H & A win/loss ratio is not irrelevant but it is not conclusive.

 

[Dave]

Here we go again