Ongoing Test match XI speculation thread.

[Kane McGoodwin]

If selectors put Carey in the test side ahead of Josh Ingles they need replacing

Inglis will get his go, but Carey has proven to have the right temperament at international level & is in his prime.

I would take both to South Africa.

 

[Redline]

Yep, of course. Matthew Wade failing in the BBL means his... TEST career is in doubt.

‘Sums it up for him’: Wade’s Test spot in further doubt after latest flop

‘Sums it up for him’: Test flop’s red-ball future in doubt after latest batting failure

www.foxsports.com.au

Different versions of the game but a bit of confidence wouldn't of hurt. Anyway I don't think it matters, Wade has to be done in the Test arena, it is embarrassing that he kept his spot for this long. Sure keep him in the side long enough he will eventually get runs but he is not the answer.

 

[eth-dog]

Agree with most of this.

But imo time to move Paine on & pick Carey who is in his prime & gives us a much needed game changer like Pant did for the Indians.

Agree either a fit Pattinson or Jye Richardson in for Starc... but I would be looking to rotate fast bowlers, particularly for back to back tests.

If Lyon continues his poor form, then bring in Swenson.

I would have Head instead of Maxwell in yiu squad fighting for the #5 with Maddinson.

Carey's keeping is substandard, should not be considered to be a test keeper. If he chose to focus on batting instead, maybe.

And I think Head needs to go back to the Shield and make runs.

 

[Redline]

In my opinion there is too much talking down of players who haven't really had a decent go without accepting that there are some in the team already who have constantly under performed are clearly no longer up to it.

We have to make changes and sometimes that means you give guys an opportunity when they are not kicking the door down for selection. The selectors should know who they think can develop into a long term test player. That's the art of selection, not always picking the highest run scorers or wicket taker. They also need to take some responsibility for the lack of succession planning in terms of leadership.

As for Paine, I think it's time for a change and the South African series is a perfect opportunity. If Cummins is the next best option then give him a go. Paine got an opportunity when he didn't deserve it so whose to say Cummins couldn't do it.

Given his influence I think it's about time Langer made some tough calls and stopped accepting mediocrity. He is starting to look like the biggest weakness with this Test team.

I think the lack of Shield Cricket is a cop out personally. No doubt it contributes but there was plenty else that went wrong that had nothing to do with the Shield.

 

[Redline]

Carey's keeping is substandard, should not be considered to be a test keeper. If he chose to focus on batting instead, maybe.

And I think Head needs to go back to the Shield and make runs.

Head made a heap of runs before the test series? He couldn't of done anymore at Shield level. That comment makes no sense.

People keep using the throw away line that Carey is a sub standard keeper. If you watched enough of of him you would know that's not the case.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Carey's keeping is substandard, should not be considered to be a test keeper. If he chose to focus on batting instead, maybe.

And I think Head needs to go back to the Shield and make runs.

The limited game time he’s had in SS the last couple of years have shown that he is capable of being selected as a batsman, but he’s not up to it as a keeper.
We aren’t good enough to be carrying a sub standard keeper, we need to be picking our next Test keeper based on his wicket keeping skills first before his batting.
Ingles is clearly our best option and his agile batsman anyway- it’s not like he’s Darren Berry gun keeper and very ordinary batsman.
Carey is Matthew Wade 2.0

 

[eth-dog]

Head made a heap of runs before the test series? He couldn't of done anymore at Shield level. That comment makes no sense.

People keep using the throw away line that Carey is a sub standard keeper. If you watched enough of of him you would know that's not the case.

Sorry, I mean he should go back and work on his deficiencies outside the off stump.

I do watch Carey, I've probably seen more of his keeping than most people on here. He is a poor keeper and always has been. And don't bring out that **** and bull about breaking the dismissals record, 53 of his 59 dismissals were off seamers, Matthew Wade was also fine standing 20 metres back for seamers. Do you watch enough of him? Because honestly, you're the only person I've seen who thinks he isn't a poor keeper. Nielsen is a better keeper than Carey.

The limited game time he’s had in SS the last couple of years have shown that he is capable of being selected as a batsman, but he’s not up to it as a keeper.
We aren’t good enough to be carrying a sub standard keeper, we need to be picking our next Test keeper based on his wicket keeping skills first before his batting.
Ingles is clearly our best option and his agile batsman anyway- it’s not like he’s Darren Berry gun keeper and very ordinary batsman.
Carey is Matthew Wade 2.0

Agreed. Inglis is an excellent keeper and much better than Carey.

 

[magpiemaniac44]

Head made a heap of runs before the test series? He couldn't of done anymore at Shield level. That comment makes no sense.

People keep using the throw away line that Carey is a sub standard keeper. If you watched enough of of him you would know that's not the case.

Completely Agree. Carey is made for test cricket and already proven him self in internationals and his keeping is pretty good. He’d keep as good or better than Paine did in the last two tests and his batting his batting is a bonus. Have people on here not seen the impact Pant had over Saha In the recent test series. Inglis is also not ready for international cricket, yet.

In saying all this, Tim Paine is getting unfairly criticised and is clearly still number 1 keeper in the country, but Carey is number 2 and is next in line when Paine’s time is up. Inglis can succeed Alex Carey.

 

[eth-dog]

Completely Agree. Carey is made for test cricket and already proven him self in internationals and his keeping is pretty good. He’d keep as good or better than Paine did in the last two tests and his batting his batting is a bonus. Have people on here not seen the impact Pant had over Saha In the recent test series. Inglis is also not ready for international cricket, yet.

In saying all this, Tim Paine is getting unfairly criticised and is clearly still number 1 keeper in the country, but Carey is number 2 and is next in line when Paine’s time is up. Inglis can succeed Alex Carey.

Are we talking about his ability with the gloves? Because if that's the case you really need to watch him play FC cricket. He's a poor keeper.

 

[Redline]

Are we talking about his ability with the gloves? Because if that's the case you really need to watch him play FC cricket. He's a poor keeper.

If you watch him play enough Cricket Inglis just isn't up to it just yet, am I doing it right?

 

[JackOutback]

Why are people replacing Paine with Carey based on his batting? Paine’s batting was very good this series and his keeping is still better than Carey’s.

Think we have one of two ways to go. If we are focused on winning the series and making the Test final, then bring in Khawaja or Maxwell to shore up the side. They are proven at Test level, have the ability to score big. If we’re focused on the future, pick a young talent that we think has the temperament and skill like Street, Phillippe or Renshaw and back them in.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Carey's keeping is substandard, should not be considered to be a test keeper. If he chose to focus on batting instead, maybe.

And I think Head needs to go back to the Shield and make runs.

Carey's keeping is not substandard & far better than the likes of Wade.

He covers more ground catching than Paine!

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

I want Carey to focus more on his batting (Nielsen can keep instead), because he's actually good at it and could very well be our best option for the middle order, his last 6 games in the Shield is evident of that. The issue is, Langer continues to pick him for pointless ODI series. No doubt he plays in NZ robbing him of even more valuable Shield games.

 

[eth-dog]

If you watch him play enough Cricket Inglis just isn't up to it just yet, am I doing it right?

I agree, that's why Paine should play in South Africa as he is the best keeper in Australia, and Carey and Inglis should continue to play Shield cricket to continue to hone their batting craft.

Carey's keeping is not substandard & far better than the likes of Wade.

He covers more ground catching than Paine!

It is and saying it's better than Wade's is not only debatable but irrelevant because Wade doesn't actually keep for Tasmania anymore.

I really don't care, watch his work when up to the stumps. He's not good at it.

 

[Docker82]

Why are people replacing Paine with Carey based on his batting? Paine’s batting was very good this series and his keeping is still better than Carey’s.

Think we have one of two ways to go. If we are focused on winning the series and making the Test final, then bring in Khawaja or Maxwell to shore up the side. They are proven at Test level, have the ability to score big. If we’re focused on the future, pick a young talent that we think has the temperament and skill like Street, Phillippe or Renshaw and back them in.

Not sure what we’ve got between South Africa and the Ashes but you’d want your best team for both series surely.

After the home Ashes surely it won’t be India or England coming the next summer. Ideally it’ll be South Africa/New Zealand and someone else as it’d give us the opportunity to see a few younger guys against both quality and not so quality opposition.

 

[magpiemaniac44]

Not sure what we’ve got between South Africa and the Ashes but you’d want your best team for both series surely.

After the home Ashes surely it won’t be India or England coming the next summer. Ideally it’ll be South Africa/New Zealand and someone else as it’d give us the opportunity to see a few younger guys against both quality and not so quality opposition.

Had a look the other day for the 22/23 summer it is South Africa for 3 tests and West Indies for 2. In 2022 we play away tests to India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Not sure what we’ve got between South Africa and the Ashes but you’d want your best team for both series surely.

After the home Ashes surely it won’t be India or England coming the next summer. Ideally it’ll be South Africa/New Zealand and someone else as it’d give us the opportunity to see a few younger guys against both quality and not so quality opposition.

In theory, West Indies away just after the WTC final. July/August.
2022/23 is supposedly two against West Indies and three against South Africa.

But I would expect the WTC schedule to change for the next cycle and the FTP to be amended, and this year's Caribbean trip to be cancelled.

 

[magpiemaniac44]

In theory, West Indies away just after the WTC final. July/August.
2022/23 is supposedly two against West Indies and three against South Africa.

But I would expect the WTC schedule to change for the next cycle and the FTP to be amended, and this year's Caribbean trip to be cancelled.

It is only limited overs games against the Windies this year in the Carribean

 

[Burtonsgottago]

Carey's keeping is substandard, should not be considered to be a test keeper. If he chose to focus on batting instead, maybe.

And I think Head needs to go back to the Shield and make runs.

If Careys keeping is substandard, what’s Paines?

 

[Gough]

In theory, West Indies away just after the WTC final. July/August.
2022/23 is supposedly two against West Indies and three against South Africa.

But I would expect the WTC schedule to change for the next cycle and the FTP to be amended, and this year's Caribbean trip to be cancelled.

There's some merit in the idea of Australia becoming a bit of a Test match hub during covid. With all the other countries struggling to get on top of this damn thing, matches could be played safely here. Bit of a wet dream of a cricket tragic but it could work.

 

[Burtonsgottago]

Why are people replacing Paine with Carey based on his batting? Paine’s batting was very good this series and his keeping is still better than Carey’s.

Think we have one of two ways to go. If we are focused on winning the series and making the Test final, then bring in Khawaja or Maxwell to shore up the side. They are proven at Test level, have the ability to score big. If we’re focused on the future, pick a young talent that we think has the temperament and skill like Street, Phillippe or Renshaw and back them in.

Paine keeping was poor in the series and hes a terrible tactical captain

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I agree, that's why Paine should play in South Africa as he is the best keeper in Australia, and Carey and Inglis should continue to play Shield cricket to continue to hone their batting craft.

It is and saying it's better than Wade's is not only debatable but irrelevant because Wade doesn't actually keep for Tasmania anymore.

I really don't care, watch his work when up to the stumps. He's not good at it.

Keeps beautifully to Rashid Khan, when most batsmen can't even pick him.

So your statement is ignoring his actual keeping...

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

It is only limited overs games against the Windies this year in the Carribean

Sorry, misread the FTP. Saw the ODIs as Tests.

 

[SSwans2011]

Now, I'm all for laying the boots into Mitchell Starc (psychologically don't think he has it), but do we honestly think that whoever we picked in his place would have had any impact on the result? Would love to see Richardson take Starc's spot EVENTUALLY as he could be as good as Cummins, but Neser or Abbott? I'll stick with Starc thanks.

As for the calling for Tim Paine's blood, its pretty pathetic and typically reactive of Australian Cricket. The question again is who's the better option? No one. We are a mediocre side at the moment and without accepting that, nothing changes.

At the ground on day 5, yes I do think someone else in for Starc would have changed the result. If it wasn't for Starc leaking runs earlier in the day, India wouldn't have been in a position to chase down the target in the final session. I think Neser would have gotten more out of the deck.

 

[ozaddy]

Sorry, I mean he should go back and work on his deficiencies outside the off stump.

I do watch Carey, I've probably seen more of his keeping than most people on here. He is a poor keeper and always has been. And don't bring out that **** and bull about breaking the dismissals record, 53 of his 59 dismissals were off seamers, Matthew Wade was also fine standing 20 metres back for seamers. Do you watch enough of him? Because honestly, you're the only person I've seen who thinks he isn't a poor keeper. Nielsen is a better keeper than Carey.

Agreed. Inglis is an excellent keeper and much better than Carey.

Carey was a really good keeper to Rashid, and the bbl commentary mentioned this.

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