Ongoing Test match XI speculation thread.

[Adelaide Hawk]

On the Carey issue.

There was a good reddit thread of shield batting averages last 3 years:

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In a small sample size Carey has averaged 45 over that period for the 9th best record as a batsman. Whiteman the next best keeper at 39 (note he doesn't keep for WA currently, has been overtaken by Inglis, who averages 33 in FC in his career).

My take from the rest is that Wade and Head certainly deserve their places barring continued failure, especially when you consider form this year in addition to this. Unless people want to advocate for players like Maddinson and Harris over them, who IMO are in the same box as players with good records but specific flaws currently holding them back from being certain selections at the highest level. Each will have their passionate defenders but ultimately IMO you can throw a blanket over them. My personal opinion is that dropping someone like Head now for one of those players (sans Pucovski) is counterproductive in that he will go and play BBL and nothing will change.

Pucovski is the wild card and that obviously centres entirely around health.

Those figures are from 2017-18, not 2018-19.

 

[Voice of the G]

Those figures are from 2017-18, not 2018-19.

I think you are correct and just shows how 1 day and T20 cricket is robbing us over quality players not playing shield cricket.Since that period which is 34 shield games the following players have missed a lot of shield cricket. Maxwell 12,Carey and M.Marsh 14,Pucovski only 17 (I presume concussion issues).Whiteman only 13 games played, which surprises me. Bowlers Hazelwood played only 4 and Starc 8.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

I think you are correct and just shows how 1 day and T20 cricket is robbing us over quality players not playing shield cricket.Since that period which is 34 shield games the following players have missed a lot of shield cricket. Maxwell 12,Carey and M.Marsh 14,Pucovski only 17 (I presume concussion issues).Whiteman only 13 games played, which surprises me. Bowlers Hazelwood played only 4 and Starc 8.

It gets worse for Carey. In actual fact, from the beginning of 2018-19, Carey has played only 6 Sheffield Shield games. In those 6 games:
Inns: 11
N.O.: 2
H.S.: 143
Runs: 536
Average: 59.56
100s: 3
50s: 1
Catches: 22

Unless there is some seriously addressing of the programming, Australian cricket will have no choice but to select Test teams based on T20 slogging.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

I am not convinced in playing Warner when he is not fully fit.Will be a liability in the field and our fielding is not good at the moment for starters.Wade will not be dropped,I would open with Harris and Pucovski and bat Wade at 5 but similar to you it worries me a bit 2 young blokes in the top 6 but about time Labs and Smith step up and play their part.

Two young blokes in the top six is hopefully a non-issue a problem if they are at #2 and #6. They aren't likely to be batting together ........ unless all the established players fail badly - a not unthinkable caveat, now I look at it it.

Really, if they are best eleven they are best eleven. Assuming fitness, etc, I would have both in. But I suspect the selectors will stick with Head, maybe claiming he an extra spin option in Sydney, and probably have Wade continue to open.

 

[BlueandGoldforever]

It gets worse for Carey. In actual fact, from the beginning of 2018-19, Carey has played only 6 Sheffield Shield games. In those 6 games:
Inns: 11
N.O.: 2
H.S.: 143
Runs: 536
Average: 59.56
100s: 3
50s: 1
Catches: 22

Unless there is some seriously addressing of the programming, Australian cricket will have no choice but to select Test teams based on T20 slogging.

Impressive statistics though. Three hundreds and one fifty in 11 innings.

 

[Docker82]

It gets worse for Carey. In actual fact, from the beginning of 2018-19, Carey has played only 6 Sheffield Shield games. In those 6 games:
Inns: 11
N.O.: 2
H.S.: 143
Runs: 536
Average: 59.56
100s: 3
50s: 1
Catches: 22

Unless there is some seriously addressing of the programming, Australian cricket will have no choice but to select Test teams based on T20 slogging.

Whilst it’s a small sample size, three tons in 11 innings is very good going for a keeper.

Has one hand on the wicket keeping spot when Paine retires. Not that he has too much competition bar Inglis though. Talk of him as a specialist batsman is over the top though.

 

[Voice of the G]

Whilst it’s a small sample size, three tons in 11 innings is very good going for a keeper.

Has one hand on the wicket keeping spot when Paine retires. Not that he has too much competition bar Inglis though. Talk of him as a specialist batsman is over the top though.

If Carey was allowed to play more shield games and kept up those type stats surely he would have to come into contention as a test batsman.The only cricket form we can judge players like Carey,Maxwell,Finch and co.is t20 or 1 day cricket and is that fair on them and possibly robbing us of a test player.

 

[The hands of stone]

Am I the only one thinking that we won't see Pucovski at all this series?

They surely can't drop Wade.

I don't see Head being dropped for a debutant when we already have the inexperienced Green in the lineup.

Warner for Burns is obvious.

I'm of the view that we'll see Warner and Wade open the batting.

It's a chance although if they are happy with his mental health they will be keen to have him in asap.

Everything suggests Warner will play even though not fully fit unless he has a set back.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

If Carey was allowed to play more shield games and kept up those type stats surely he would have to come into contention as a test batsman.The only cricket form we can judge players like Carey,Maxwell,Finch and co.is t20 or 1 day cricket and is that fair on them and possibly robbing us of a test player.

We don't know that unfortunately. With more Shield cricket maybe he would be playing himself out of that future test spot, unfortunately we have no way of knowing.

CA sort ya shit!

 

[Carbine Chaos]

What I like the most about Carey is his temperament. I think he’d do a good job in Test cricket. I haven’t seen anything in FC cricket to suggest otherwise. He simply needs to play more of it.

 

[Greenery]

Carey has the technique to bat at 7 but 4 or 5 I don't think he's solid enough

 

[Ducky Tie]

Lalor sounding pretty confident that it will be Warner and Pucovksi opening on Thursday with Wade going to 5 and Head dropping out.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Lalor sounding pretty confident that it will be Warner and Pucovksi opening on Thursday with Wade going to 5 and Head dropping out.

Sweet that's what I wanted.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Lalor sounding pretty confident that it will be Warner and Pucovksi opening on Thursday with Wade going to 5 and Head dropping out.

Good decision if true

 

[Voice of the G]

Good decision if true

Always risky playing unfit players,still not sure it is worth the risk at this stage with the rain around and the game ending in a draw.Fingers crossed it works.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Always risky playing unfit players,still not sure it is worth the risk at this stage with the rain around and the game ending in a draw.Fingers crossed it works.

If he says he’s fit he is. Better than Harris playing.

 

[Voice of the G]

If he says he’s fit he is. Better than Harris playing.

The last I heard Warner said he will not be fully fit,as far as I am concerned it is a big risk and we are not a good fielding side at the moment even with him fully fit.I see Patto is now out injured as well.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

The last I heard Warner said he will not be fully fit,as far as I am concerned it is a big risk and we are not a good fielding side at the moment even with him fully fit.I see Patto is now out injured as well.

Pattinson was never playing anyway and no shock the bloke can’t stay fit for more than a month!

A 70% Warner is better than a fully fit Harris

 

[Cleavy]

Aussie quick ruled out of third Test at SCG following nasty fall at home

Aussie quick ruled out of third Test at SCG following nasty fall at home

www.foxsports.com.au

FFS Pattinson!

 

[eddiesmith]

Aussie quick ruled out of third Test at SCG following nasty fall at home

Aussie quick ruled out of third Test at SCG following nasty fall at home

www.foxsports.com.au

FFS Pattinson!

At least if he doesn't travel to Sydney he won't have to quarantine afterwards

 

[The Passenger]

Lalor sounding pretty confident that it will be Warner and Pucovksi opening on Thursday with Wade going to 5 and Head dropping out.

If both are available that is my preferred selection as well.

 

[KBLT]

Lalor sounding pretty confident that it will be Warner and Pucovksi opening on Thursday with Wade going to 5 and Head dropping out.

I'm just worried about Pucovski against the short ball. Clearly, he has issues against it with his technique. There's no way someone like Bumrah doesn't target that

 

[The hands of stone]

I'm just worried about Pucovski against the short ball. Clearly, he has issues against it with his technique. There's no way someone like Bumrah doesn't target that

Its test cricket ofcourse they will target it.

The last one worried me , played it horribly . Before that one his technique actually was sound against the short ball.

 

[eddiesmith]

I'm just worried about Pucovski against the short ball. Clearly, he has issues against it with his technique. There's no way someone like Bumrah doesn't target that

But it can consume the bowler if they target it too much.

After Hodgey got dropped from the test side they played Tassie early the following season. With his alleged problems with the short ball and Punter as captain, they kept bouncing him and he kept smashing them. Made a big hundred that day as Tassie were so consumed with he can't play the short ball.

 

[a mayes ing]

I'm just worried about Pucovski against the short ball. Clearly, he has issues against it with his technique. There's no way someone like Bumrah doesn't target that

The innings he had here he got 243 or somethng, they were targeting his head then too but he played it fine. Sometimes he will miss it, which is normal. I wouldn't say there is anything wrong with his technique. The problem atm is that even if it gets his helmet a little bit it seems to concuss him which is a big issue.