Ongoing Test match XI speculation thread.

[BronCrow]

Do feel he would have been fine as an 8, as a 3rd quick.

Not sure his bowling is good enough to be the third quick, not unless there was another all rounder in the side i.e. Green.

 

[Seedsfan]

Do feel he would have been fine as an 8, as a 3rd quick.

In England I agree, in Aus I don’t think he can play 8

 

[Seedsfan]

Not sure his bowling is good enough to be the third quick, not unless there was another all rounder in the side i.e. Green.

Bowling was underrated and batting was overrated. They persisted with him for so long when he was battling shoulder injuries and could hardly bowl at all.

 

[BronCrow]

In England I agree, in Aus I don’t think he can play 8

Whilst his bowling is much more effective in England, you still need more back up with the bat for him. Someone like Green, or if he can develop some consistency with the ball Labuschagne. Even then there are better options as a third seamer.

 

[Seedsfan]

Whilst his bowling is much more effective in England, you still need more back up with the bat for him. Someone like Green, or if he can develop some consistency with the ball Labuschagne. Even then there are better options as a third seamer.

Was the pick of the bowlers in the 5th test. It’s a tactic England often use over there

 

[BronCrow]

Was the pick of the bowlers in the 5th test. It’s a tactic England often use over there

Would also be easier to do if our keeper was a better batsman at the moment.

 

[Seedsfan]

Would also be easier to do if our keeper was a better batsman at the moment.

Not really, they play Woakes at home who isn’t a front line bowler. They do it as he can bowl stump to stump and swing it. He then bats 8 and provides valuable batting depth

 

[BronCrow]

Not really, they play Woakes at home who isn’t a front line bowler. They do it as he can bowl stump to stump and swing it. He then bats 8 and provides valuable batting depth

Yes they also bat one of the Curran's at 7 and either Buttler or Bairstow, whoever is taking the gloves bats at 6. Paine isn't good enough to bat at 6. If you are going to do that, then you would need to play a different, either Carey or Inglis. Also, Woakes is a much better bowler than Marsh, so they have that luxury.

 

[allrighty]

He was coming of making 100 in India and gets dropped. If that isn’t bad enough he makes 700 runs in the shield at 50 from 15 innings and then can’t get back into the side even with Smith Warner and Bancroft getting suspended. Never been fairly treated Maxwell, our first tour post the ball tampering was in the UAE he is a good player of spin and provides an extra bowling option

I don't think he is popular/an insider/from NSW which is a major reason he is not in the frame. Moises is yet has never made a first class ton or taken first class 5 4.

 

[eth-dog]

I don't think he is popular/an insider/from NSW which is a major reason he is not in the frame. Moises is yet has never made a first class ton or taken first class 5 4.

Um, Moises has 12 FC tons (2 this summer) and 2 FC 5 wicket hauls...

 

[Seedsfan]

Um, Moises has 12 FC tons (2 this summer) and 2 FC 5 wicket hauls...

I think he meant test ton

 

[BronCrow]

I think he meant test ton

He said first class, I would have interpreted it the same way eth did.

 

[eth-dog]

I think he meant test ton

Well he should have said test ton.

 

[The hands of stone]

I don't think he is popular/an insider/from NSW which is a major reason he is not in the frame. Moises is yet has never made a first class ton or taken first class 5 4.

This always seems to pop up as a reason.

Would like to know exactly why , only heard good things about him from teamates and the like.

 

[Dhoni Dakurri]

It wasn’t too long ago you had to literally make thousands of runs in a shield season to get a look in to the test team. Eg: Martyn, Hussey, Langer, Love

Now you’ve got clowns suggesting Maxwell get a gig without facing a red ball for more than two years. Or Kurtis Patterson who averages less with the bat than Peter Siddle over the last 18 months.

And then the selectors choose Carey despite averaging less than Nevill in the Shield over the last two years, and no one is suggesting he comes back in.

The lack of batting depth in Australian cricket must be at an all time critical level. Today we have NSW aka Australia A rolled for 160 by a 3 gamer, Jon Holland (lol) and an up and down soft plod (Pattinson)

And to top it off, the Shield season is shortened so we get even less indication of who might be capable.

 

[Dhoni Dakurri]

This always seems to pop up as a reason.

Would like to know exactly why , only heard good things about him from teamates and the like.

Good bloke - get him in the test side. Make him captain ffs.

Seems to be the main selection criteria these days.

 

[Dhoni Dakurri]

Neither are any good. Let’s call it a nil all draw. Marsh would have been okay as a number 8

Fact: Marsh out bowled Pattinson in the last ashes series

 

[The hands of stone]

Good bloke - get him in the test side. Make him captain ffs.

Seems to be the main selection criteria these days.

Never said put him in the side , I certainly wouldn't.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Fact: Marsh out bowled Pattinson in the last ashes series

Was underbowled his whole career. Awful bat but a very good bowler

 

[Westend]

It wasn’t too long ago you had to literally make thousands of runs in a shield season to get a look in to the test team. Eg: Martyn, Hussey, Langer, Love

Now you’ve got clowns suggesting Maxwell get a gig without facing a red ball for more than two years. Or Kurtis Patterson who averages less with the bat than Peter Siddle over the last 18 months.

And then the selectors choose Carey despite averaging less than Nevill in the Shield over the last two years, and no one is suggesting he comes back in.

The lack of batting depth in Australian cricket must be at an all time critical level. Today we have NSW aka Australia A rolled for 160 by a 3 gamer, Jon Holland (lol) and an up and down soft plod (Pattinson)

And to top it off, the Shield season is shortened so we get even less indication of who might be capable.

I feel your pain Dhoni....it is what it is atm

Lets hope that with the test players back in the shield we can have a reset and prepare for the Ashes

I still have faith that we have enough talent for Australia to do well come the ashes

 

[Walt Kowalski]

Holland isn't test standard, and Swepson has definitely passed him this season

I'm alright with that. I haven't seen a great deal of Swepson in FC cricket but I can see he's had a solid season this year

SOK is still the 2nd best spinner in Aus, maybe even the best.

 

[Walt Kowalski]

Khawaja has averaged 20 over his last two seasons and doesn’t open in FC cricket he is done. Patterson has also done nothing of note. How is Holland the next spinner in line? He is sh*t. Got out bowled by Labuschange the last time he was in the test line up

Khawaja is easily still in the best 6 batsmen in Australia.

In the limited chances he's been given to open for Australia (5 tests), guess what he averages? 96.

When we keep cycling thru mediocrity in Burns, Harris and Wade opening for Australia, seriously? I'd far from consider Usman "done" if I was Langer.

Patterson is a serious talent, and once again we are continuing with Head (who has serious flaws) and Wade (who dazzles a 30 then skies one). Why wouldn't you give a guy who is only 27 another crack.

I'm happy to concede on Holland, but I really dont consider anyone else that special. Swepson's had one decent FC season. SOK is the best but he's given away FC now.

 

[Walt Kowalski]

Was underbowled his whole career. Awful bat but a very good bowler

No, he's very much straight up as a bowler. Nothing more than a 5th option.

Fact: Marsh out bowled Pattinson in the last ashes series

So? Are you suggesting Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than James Pattinson?

 

[Seedsfan]

Yes they also bat one of the Curran's at 7 and either Buttler or Bairstow, whoever is taking the gloves bats at 6. Paine isn't good enough to bat at 6. If you are going to do that, then you would need to play a different, either Carey or Inglis. Also, Woakes is a much better bowler than Marsh, so they have that luxury.

More often then not it is two of Archer, Anderson and Broad with Woakes as the third seamer batting 8 and Stokes as the forth pace bowling options.

Look at the Ashes in 19 only once did the keeper bat at 6 and that was the final test

 

[Seedsfan]

Khawaja is easily still in the best 6 batsmen in Australia.

In the limited chances he's been given to open for Australia (5 tests), guess what he averages? 96.

When we keep cycling thru mediocrity in Burns, Harris and Wade opening for Australia, seriously? I'd far from consider Usman "done" if I was Langer.

Patterson is a serious talent, and once again we are continuing with Head (who has serious flaws) and Wade (who dazzles a 30 then skies one). Why wouldn't you give a guy who is only 27 another crack.

I'm happy to concede on Holland, but I really dont consider anyone else that special. Swepson's had one decent FC season. SOK is the best but he's given away FC now.

Who cares what he did average that’s history now. Recent history suggests he is struggling for runs. He doesn’t want to open the batting that is evident with the fact that he bats himself at 4 in the shield.
Why on earth would you move Pucovski down the order? He has always been a top order player did well on debut and should hopefully only improve. Why move him to a role he is uncomfortable in to bring Khawaja back?

Patterson has failed again yesterday, he is still 28 so there is time for him to turn it around but since he lost his spot he has not once put his hand up for selection.

Why pick blokes like Patterson and Khawaja who are out of form at Shield level? I have nothing against either of them playing again but you simply can not pick either player of their recent form

Swepson is clearly the best spinner behind Gaz was the stand out bowler in the shield