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Demosthenes said:
Sexual harassment in the workplace isn't a non-issue. It tends to be emblematic of pervasive sexism.
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Gayle's faux pas wasn't quite like workplace harassment. It was more immature & childish than anything else.. It was certainly inappropriate being in a public place & on TV.

Gayle is a cricket professional, he needs to act like an adult as well. He will either learn from this, or it will cost him a lot more than $10k.
 
Ross Titute said:
If I wanted to talk about sexism I'd be on the SRP board. I do however, believe that if anything, Gayle was out of line. All I've tried to do is summarise how the two different sides of argument are attack each other.

And I've kept stating that I have condemned Gayle for his comments. Or do you want me to disagree with you so you can launch into an argument?
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I'm not saying you have to talk about it. I'm simply saying that it's possible the bigger discussions going on following on from what happened are what you're confusing for an overreaction to Gayle's comments themselves. Because I don't think there's been that much "outrage" about the comments themselves, nor should there have been.
 
ManWithNoName said:
See it's hard to take this seriously given
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I was more or less having a crack at people who were taking the whole thing way too seriously and going over the top with it.

In short, I still condemn his comments but that wasn't going to stop me having a go at people going nuts about it.
 
ManWithNoName said:
I'm not saying you have to talk about it. I'm simply saying that it's possible the bigger discussions going on following on from what happened are what you're confusing for an overreaction to Gayle's comments themselves. Because I don't think there's been that much "outrage" about the comments themselves, nor should there have been.
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Granted, I'm not going to go through 38 pages of bullshit to see what people are talking about but I'd assumed talks of sexism and harrassment in the workplace would be moved onto the SRP forum.
 

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madmug said:
Gayle's faux pas wasn't quite like workplace harassment. It was more immature & childish than anything else.. It was certainly inappropriate being in a public place & on TV.

Gayle is a cricket professional, he needs to act like an adult as well. He will either learn from this, or it will cost him a lot more than $10k.
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This sums it up well.
 
You know what would shut everyone up? Next renegades game. C10 vet McLaughlin to do the same job. Once Gayle's out, he plays a straight bat in the subsequent interview. The interview ends. The saga, the turmoil ends.

blackcat said:
the guy after MT.
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I picked him because though he was the least likely of the 3. But I can't believe SW was a mad rooter. In fact, I can't imagine any Australian cricket captain being a mad rooter.
 
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imadodgyumpire said:
You what would shut everyone up? Next renegades game. C10 vet McLaughlin to do the same job. Once Gayle's out, he plays a straight bat in the subsequent interview. The interview ends. The saga, the turmoil ends.


I pocked him because though he was the least likely of the 3. But I can't believe SW was a mad rooter. In fact, I can't imagine any Australian cricket captain being a mad rooter.
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Might not be that simple.

Chris Gayle stands to be thrown out of the Big Bash League for good if an investigation verifies that he exposed himself to an Australian woman who was working around the West Indies team in Sydney last year.
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http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cric...f-to-woman-20160106-gm0imo.html#ixzz3wSBNdYSo
 
ManWithNoName said:
Might not be that simple.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cric...f-to-woman-20160106-gm0imo.html#ixzz3wSBNdYSo
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"Chris denies the allegations published by Fairfax Media earlier today. It’s important that anyone seeking to make false accusations against Chris be aware that Chris and his management will be considering all rights and legal options available."

We may yet hear the intriguing details of how a hungry woman's quest for food led her to a men's dressing room, and how Gayle allegedly "partially" exposed himself. And how the chivalrous Richie Richardson dispelled the woman's concerns with a magical email.
 
Ron The Bear said:
"Chris denies the allegations published by Fairfax Media earlier today. It’s important that anyone seeking to make false accusations against Chris be aware that Chris and his management will be considering all rights and legal options available."

We may yet hear the intriguing details of how a hungry woman's quest for food led her to a men's dressing room, and how Gayle allegedly "partially" exposed himself. And how the chivalrous Richie Richardson dispelled the woman's concerns with a magical email.
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did find it interesting she was hungry so she went into a mens changeroom looking for a sandwich
 

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walsingham said:
If misjudgements resulting in awkward situations is now deemed "sexual harassment" we might as well call humanity off.
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"Don't blush baby". No misjudgements anywhere there, would you say it to a colleague, especially if your previous request for a drink had been met with awkward rejection.
 
walsingham said:
If misjudgements resulting in awkward situations is now deemed "sexual harassment" we might as well call humanity off.
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Ah, the old "humanity is doomed" claim.

How dare we expect professionalism, respect, and empathy!
 
walsingham said:
If misjudgements resulting in awkward situations is now deemed "sexual harassment" we might as well call humanity off.
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Haha, you prat. You can't possibly be this clueless, otherwise you wouldn't keep a job involving regular interaction with women.

Australia's no more racist or sexist than most places, and a lot let racist and sexist than several. But we absolutely lead the world in denialism by labelling anyone who highlights actual problems as "PC".

No wonder that most of the world regards Australians as backward hicks. We have so many people who champion the stereotype.
 
Juddy88 said:
Ah, the old "humanity is doomed" claim.

How dare we expect professionalism, respect, and empathy!
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They're setting a very tough precedent, hope they're prepared to apply the standard equally.

Can't help thinking this is linked to the plan to televise women's cricket live on Ch9, and impose female quotas on sports administration across the board.
 

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Ron The Bear said:
They're setting a very tough precedent, hope they're prepared to apply the standard equally.
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They're not setting any tougher precedent than any workplace is legally required to adhere to under the law.

Go around your company talking to colleagues like that, and see where it gets you.
 
Juddy88 said:
Wrong. It's clearly not on the far end of the scale, and many people have said that whilst it not a major incident it is indicative of every present attitudinal issues in not only the workplace, but society in general.

So what? Drawing a long straw there. He did humiliate her, it doesn't matter if he was trying to or not. If I slap the arse of my co-worker but don't mean to offend her, it's still sexual harassment.

Wrong again. Clearlt sexist. How can argue against that?

It's clearly the workplace. What's Mel doing there, and what's Chris doing there?
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1) Having gone through the whole thread at the time. I do not recall any substantial acknowledgement of this being a trivial moment by those enraged by it. It's an exaggeration, possibly even false, to compare it to attitudes in the workplace.

2)He did not humiliate her. His words did make her momentarily embarrassed, but it was not degrading or humiliating. It does matter what his intent was. Because that then provides the best context in which to view the "incident". His expression was of a friendly, affectionate nature. But the people offended by his action are choosing to view him as a leering, hormonal, sexually aggressive monster. It's a poorer reflection on the people getting offended by it.

If you slapped the arse of a co-worker (reminding that Chris didn't). Even if you did not mean to offend her. You have still forcefully encroached her "space", and that is another level of behaviour. A level not applicable to the exchange between Mel and Chris.

3) You have chosen words not applicable to this moment. To use "sexist" is to say Chris feels superior to Mel because he's a male and she's a female. He then used the interview as an opportunity to demean Mel. His expression was of affection. He was not serious. Because you can't be serious when you're chatting up a woman in front of live TV. He would've done that knowing he get brushed off.

4) This is where the "PC brigade" have used the term "workplace" as means to demonise Chris. "Workplace" is a fluid term, and does not apply in a single content. A cricket field is hardly a "workplace"

Yes, Mel and Chris are earning incomes as a sports reporter and cricketer. But it's only a workplace on
a technicality. But words like "work" "occupation" and "employed" evolved 100/1000s of years before such lightweight means of earning income like sports reporting came along. Mel may take hear means of earning income seriously, but she's not doing anything of substance or importance for the community. She may have a means of income that is lucrative and gives a level of fame. But she's not doing anything to be taken seriously in an intellectual capacity.

Comparing Mel to Maryanne Demasi. Who is also a reporter and the same level of physical attractiveness as Mel. But Maryanne is a medical reporter. She's doing something of value, and there's a level of conduct which is more formal if you were being interviewed by her. If Chris tried to chat up Maryanne while being interviewed by her for Catalyst. Then he'd deserve criticism for not respecting the context in which he's being interviewed.
 
MisterMarcus said:
What Gayle is like in his personal life has no bearing on how he should behave on the field, as a professional sportsman.

I am really struggling to see what people fail to grasp about this.
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It's called marketing and increased TV ratings, irrelevant now as Gayle has been kicked out of the BBL next year, a phenomenally embarrassing moment in Australian sport. We have gone from the incredible high of record crowds and ratings to being a nation of wowsers and putting the game second. Gayle deserves to be told off for being a knob end, but to be kicked out is way over the top. The over reaction by CA is astounding, it's a good thing Dustin Martin does not play cricket, he would get life!
 
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