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[Ron The Bear]

This is what's wrong with society. Caring about equal rights for men and women isn't being morally superior, it's a basic human right.

Suggest you look up the figures on the differences between men and women in this country for things such as life expectancy, suicide rates, length of jail term for the same offence etc. If the boot was on the other foot there'd be a national outcry!

 

[krisholio14]

Because that would be stupid, in the same vein as terms of "SJW" or "PC".

That's essentially what you're saying though. SJW.

 

[ManWithNoName]

"Male sports journalists don't face sexist, disrespectful shit every day, female sports journalists do."

- Nice generalisation and unfounded comment. You have no evidence to back this up. This is a typical leftie view inventing a problem for an imaginary minority group. In all the workplaces I've worked in, there has been absolutely no sexism or disrespect to women. If anything, they are treated extra sensitively compared to males.

I do have evidence to back it up. You've just chosen to ignore it. Melinda Farrell, Neroli Meadows, Peter Lalor, Daniel Brettig, Russell Jackson just to name a few have all spoken about how big this issue is. Just because you choose to ignore it doesn't make it untrue.

"Well, the male journalist didn't seem obviously uncomfortable, Mel did."
Your opinion. We do not know how either of the two felt. The male journalist may have been uncomfortable but instead just decided to move on. You are dismissing his rights as a person because he is not in a so called minority group.

"obviously uncomfortable". If I'm wrong show me where he seemed obviously uncomfortable. Go on.

"There is a history of women being disrespected in the workplace like this. There is not that history with men."
Maybe in the past for women. Not any more. There is actually reverse discrimination going on in most workplaces these days with many programs for the development of women and many women only groups where males are not allowed to attend its sessions. More graduates in fields such as law are females despite the pool being roughly 50 / 50. Many companies have policies promoting the development of women and they will be preferred for a male over a promotion if the decision is even roughly up for debate.

Strange how the bulk of women who have spoken in the last few days disagree with this. And you'll forgive me, but I'll take their opinion over yours. Also, this is textbook mansplaining.

"We are in a period of history where domestic violence and violence against women is a disgrace in this country. Violence has its roots in disrespect. There is not that with men."
There is also domestic violence against men which is never focused on. There is no support for men suffering from this compared to what women have available to them.

This in no way refutes my point at all.

"Women speak repeatedly about Chris Gayle being a creep and making them feel uncomfortable. There is none of that with Sharapova."
We have only heard from those women now. It is "opportunistic".

So they're all lying? Is that what you're saying?

 

[ManWithNoName]

That's essentially what you're saying though. SJW.

Whatever makes you feel better bro.

 

[ManWithNoName]

We have equality if you hadn't realised. If you had worked in any workplace or stepped onto the street, you would know we have equality.

It is being morally superior to pretend that we have a problem when in fact there is no problem.

Really? Because women might disagree with this. Does that make them "morally superior" when they speak from experience?

 

[RAPPA]

You did say that if she had shaken it off, nothing would have come of it. FWIW I thought she handled it brilliantly.

I'll take on board that I did not link my two statements better.

I get frustrated more about the fact that it is perceived as an "issue" if the recipient of the behaviour is offended by the conduct.

What I am putting forward is that I doubt there would've been the reaction that eventuated if Mel had laughed it off, which is completely dismissing the conduct itself.

She is not under the microscope; it's Gayle.

What he did was wrong, inappropriate and stupid and those conclusions should emanate regardless of how Mel responded to the situation.

 

[Snell1234]

I do have evidence to back it up. You've just chosen to ignore it. Melinda Farrell, Neroli Meadows, Peter Lalor, Daniel Brettig, Russell Jackson just to name a few have all spoken about how big this issue is. Just because you choose to ignore it doesn't make it untrue.


"obviously uncomfortable". If I'm wrong show me where he seemed obviously uncomfortable. Go on.


Strange how the bulk of women who have spoken in the last few days disagree with this. And you'll forgive me, but I'll take their opinion over yours. Also, this is textbook mansplaining.

This in no way refutes my point at all.

So they're all lying? Is that what you're saying?

What you gave as your evidence does not constitute evidence. Times like these allow people to make names for themselves and for people in minority groups to push their cause. I'm sorry, but none of that is evidence at all.

Mansplaining - grow up you whiny leftie loser. Stop using that stupid term.

 

[JackOutback]

And the lefties will continue to make up all this rubbish about so called minority groups being discriminated against and ensuring all these supposed groups get given extra privileges and rights compared to white males who are now increasingly becoming the minority in our society.

And here we go...poor white males are the real victims of modern society. Jesus, a little self awareness goes a long way.

And yes, the use of the term SJW immediately exposes people as knobs. Really should be a word filter for it.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I'll take on board that I did not link my two statements better.

I get frustrated more about the fact that it is perceived as an "issue" if the recipient of the behaviour is offended by the conduct.

What I am putting forward is that I doubt there would've been the reaction that eventuated if Mel had laughed it off, which is completely dismissing the conduct itself.

She is not under the microscope; it's Gayle.

What he did was wrong, inappropriate and stupid and those conclusions should emanate regardless of how Mel responded to the situation.

Okay, I see what you mean. I agree.

 

[Ron The Bear]

So they're all lying? Is that what you're saying?

Most have said Gayle tried to hit on them. The one serious claim is that Gayle "partially" exposed himself to a woman in the men's change rooms. Even if true, it's not exactly Jim Morrison in Miami.

 

[Snell1234]

Really? Because women might disagree with this. Does that make them "morally superior" when they speak from experience?

Women do not want equality. They want more than that. Now that they have got equality they still aren't happy and are pushing for more to the detriment of a cohesive and equal society.

 

[eth-dog]

We have equality if you hadn't realised. If you had worked in any workplace or stepped onto the street, you would know we have equality.

It is being morally superior to pretend that we have a problem when in fact there is no problem.

So that means women get paid as much as men in the same job, have as many positions on boards, as many CEO's, and there are as many sexual harassment cases for men as there are women then?

Suggest you look up the figures on the differences between men and women in this country for things such as life expectancy, suicide rates, length of jail term for the same offence etc. If the boot was on the other foot there'd be a national outcry!

I suggest you look up the fact that women get paid less than men for the same job, big business have triple the men on boards in comparison to women, have much more men CEO's compared to women and if there's a job available a man is more likely to get the job than the woman, even if the woman is more qualified.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I suggest you look up the fact that women get paid less than men for the same job

Getting way off topic now but that is absolute bullshit. I say this having had access to payroll in multiple companies.

have much more men CEO's compared to women

Who does most of the long hours and unpaid overtime, whether or not women are on maternity leave?

 

[eth-dog]

Getting way off topic now but that is absolute bullshit. I say this having had access to payroll in multiple companies.

No, it isn't. I also notice you conveniently left out the rest of the argument, maybe because I'm right, and you're wrong?

 

[Snell1234]

So that means women get paid as much as men in the same job, have as many positions on boards, as many CEO's, and there are as many sexual harassment cases for men as there are women then?

I suggest you look up the fact that women get paid less than men for the same job, big business have triple the men on boards in comparison to women, have much more men CEO's compared to women and if there's a job available a man is more likely to get the job than the woman, even if the woman is more qualified.

A lot of that is because of the past. It is changing but of course those changes will infiltrate slowly unless we immediately introduced quotas which would be ridiculous. Check out the graduate demographic in most fields these days where the pool is 50 / 50. It is always in favour of females. Go to any workplace and you will see the emphasis that most corporates have on promoting females and developing females where no such development is available for males.

 

[ManWithNoName]

What you gave as your evidence does not constitute evidence. Times like these allow people to make names for themselves and for people in minority groups to push their cause. I'm sorry, but none of that is evidence at all.

Mansplaining - grow up you whiny leftie loser. Stop using that stupid term.

What doesn't constitute evidence exactly? Female journalists speaking from experience? The stats about domestic violence? What part isn't evidence?

"Whiny leftie loser" - I'll give you one more post to discuss like an adult without childish little hissy fits like that, but then you're done.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Most have said Gayle tried to hit on them. The one serious claim is that Gayle "partially" exposed himself to a woman in the men's change rooms. Even if true, it's not exactly Jim Morrison in Miami.

"He does it to humiliate. He's a creep."

 

[krisholio14]

Suggest you look up the figures on the differences between men and women in this country for things such as life expectancy, suicide rates, length of jail term for the same offence etc. If the boot was on the other foot there'd be a national outcry!

It only has to be equal (or 'more' equal) where it suits.

 

[eth-dog]

A lot of that is because of the past. It is changing but of course those changes will infiltrate slowly unless we immediately introduced quotas which would be ridiculous. Check out the graduate demographic in most fields these days where the pool is 50 / 50. It is always in favour of females. Go to any workplace and you will see the emphasis that most corporates have on promoting females and developing females where no such development is available for males.

Haha. You're so wrong it isn't funny. Go and call me a "SJW" and whinge about how I think I'm morally superior.

I dare you

 

[ManWithNoName]

Women do not want equality. They want more than that. Now that they have got equality they still aren't happy and are pushing for more to the detriment of a cohesive and equal society.

Yeah you're done. If this is your honest view of women then discussing this topic with you is a waste of Chief's bandwith.

 

[GROTTO]

When Tim Cahill kissed Mel during an interview I'm just curious as to why there wasn't an outcry over that incident?

 

[eth-dog]

It only has to be equal (or 'more' equal) where it suits.

Um, how does women living longer than men have anything to do with equality, out of curiosity?

 

[Snell1234]

Haha. You're so wrong it isn't funny. Go and call me a "SJW" and whinge about how I think I'm morally superior.

I dare you

Explain why I am wrong then.

 

[Snell1234]

Yeah you're done. If this is your honest view of women then discussing this topic with you is a waste of Chief's bandwith.

Not all women - the women in my life are great. However, the women pushing issues like these are doing it because they see themselves as feminists. Feminists typically want double standards and in my view, want to be a superior race to males instead of living cohesively together.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Not all women - the women in my life are great. However, the women pushing issues like these are doing it because they see themselves as feminists. Feminists typically want double standards and in my view, want to be a superior race to males instead of living cohesively together.

And as I said, if this is what you honestly think then I'm not wasting anymore of Chief's bandwith discussing it with you.

Good day.