Oops Chris

[JUBJUB]

10k fine


loolz

So that's one night outs spending money for him.

 

[Underarm]

You are the one using disgusting, disrespectful, sexist language. All Gayle did was ask her out for a drink! And here you are shoving words in his mouth. "The reward for a job well done". What evidence do you have that such a thought was running through Gayle's head? Absolutely none. Let's deal in facts and evidence please: "Your eyes are pretty. Let's go out for a drink. Don't blush baby" is a far, far cry from "Hey look at this fine bitch, I scored a hundred, I deserve to **** her now".

I can't say for sure what he was thinking to get out of that conversation with her, but he didn't look very interested in talk about cricket with the cricket journalist.

 

[Gray Day]

I think he meant it made no sense to people who have an understanding of the English language and basic sentence construction.

lololololololol, that's weaseling out

"I don't want to argue with Marto_ anymore, my arguments aren't working on him. I need to go back to my safe space where everyone agrees with me and values me!"

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Seriously? Are you aware of Workplace Harassment and Sexual Harassment laws throughout the country?

Everybody is protected by this sort of thing, but not everybody has their humiliation compounded by it playing out in front of a live television audience.

How naive you must be if you believe that, akin to thinking that nobody gets paid below minimum wage. They are not protected. The law is just some words on paper. Unless a colleague is responsible for the sexual harassment, the colleague can then be dismissed and charges pressed if required. If someone other than a colleague does it there is no recourse unless they are repeat offenders, showing up to the same place of business over and over and behaving in the same way. In reality nobody is ever going to pay any sort of penalty for asking out a woman once at her place of work, unless they happen to be colleagues and make the pass in a particularly vulgar, aggressive or threatening sort of way.

Gayle and McLaughlin are not, to the best of my understanding, colleagues. One plays cricket. The other is a TV presenter who presents on people who play cricket. Gayle is not a repeat offender with McLaughlin. So, if this situation is sublimated to one where the person being allegedly sexually harassed is not somebody with wealth and status and privilege, do you think anyone pays so much as a $10 fine? Of course not.

Well, that's just tough, and it goes with the territory of being a TV presenter. Your image is going to go out nationwide and live TV is unpredictable and unscripted; you shouldn't accept the job unless you are aware and accept that you might suffer some humiliating episode at some point over a long career. It's inevitable, whether that humiliating episode is of a sexual nature or otherwise, at some point in time you are virtually guaranteed to suffer it.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

I can't say for sure what he was thinking to get out of that conversation with her, but he didn't look very interested in talk about cricket with the cricket journalist.

I am mistaken then. But, how many cricketers actually enjoy the media side of their work and not view it as a tedious chore? How many cricketers would give honest and sincere answers even if the interviewer is a fat ugly man? Not many, I would imagine, since even those who do have the discipline to answer properly mostly seem to answer in meaningless cliches and trifling platitudes. The profession of interviewing is not taken seriously to begin with by cricketing interviewees. The sexuality of the professional in question rarely seems to matter in this regard. The only difference it seems to make, to my mind, is that the interviewee can express his contempt for the interviewer by making a pass at her if she happens to be a female, while he can only express his contempt for the interviewer by giving empty cliche answers if he is a male.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

I like how in this post you pretend to care about women in normal jobs...



...Then in your immediate next post admit you don't give actually give a shit

Great input! How about next time you deal with the contents of my posts instead of making some smart arse comments about how they might apparently seem contradictory?

For what it's worth I am a dialectician not a dualist, I don't mind contradictions, in fact, I welcome them.

 

[JimDocker]

How naive you must be if you believe that, akin to thinking that nobody gets paid below minimum wage. They are not protected. The law is just some words on paper. Unless a colleague is responsible for the sexual harassment, the colleague can then be dismissed and charges pressed if required. If someone other than a colleague does it there is no recourse unless they are repeat offenders, showing up to the same place of business over and over and behaving in the same way. In reality nobody is ever going to pay any sort of penalty for asking out a woman once at her place of work, unless they happen to be colleagues and make the pass in a particularly vulgar, aggressive or threatening sort of way.

Gayle and McLaughlin are not, to the best of my understanding, colleagues. One plays cricket. The other is a TV presenter who presents on people who play cricket. Gayle is not a repeat offender with McLaughlin. So, if this situation is sublimated to one where the person being allegedly sexually harassed is not somebody with wealth and status and privilege, do you think anyone pays so much as a $10 fine? Of course not.

Well, that's just tough, and it goes with the territory of being a TV presenter. Your image is going to go out nationwide and live TV is unpredictable and unscripted; you shouldn't accept the job unless you are aware and accept that you might suffer some humiliating episode at some point over a long career. It's inevitable, whether that humiliating episode is of a sexual nature or otherwise, at some point in time you are virtually guaranteed to suffer it.

You really do spin some shit Spitta.

 

[JimDocker]

Great input! How about next time you deal with the contents of my posts instead of making some smart arse comments about how they might apparently seem contradictory?

For what it's worth I am a dialectician not a dualist, I don't mind contradictions, in fact, I welcome them.

No. You are not.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

You really do spin some shit Spitta.

Why don't you demonstrate how full of shit I am by showing me the stats on prosecutions made for sexual harassment, or something? Am I supposed to just take your word for it? I'm not an obstinate arseh*le, I have no trouble admitting I'm wrong - provided somebody actually goes to the trouble of teaching me better instead of just saying "you're an *insert insult here*" and leaving it at that.

 

[Juddy88]

Well, that's just tough, and it goes with the territory of being a TV presenter. Your image is going to go out nationwide and live TV is unpredictable and unscripted; you shouldn't accept the job unless you are aware and accept that you might suffer some humiliating episode at some point over a long career. It's inevitable, whether that humiliating episode is of a sexual nature or otherwise, at some point in time you are virtually guaranteed to suffer it.

So because some journalists are "humiliated" that makes it part of the job? Geez.

What are you basing your statement that they are "guaranteed to suffer it" on? They clearly are not, and in no way is it expected to be part of the job.

Ridiculous hyperbole.

 

[Gray Day]

You two are boring

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

How naive you must be if you believe that, akin to thinking that nobody gets paid below minimum wage. They are not protected. The law is just some words on paper. Unless a colleague is responsible for the sexual harassment, the colleague can then be dismissed and charges pressed if required. If someone other than a colleague does it there is no recourse unless they are repeat offenders, showing up to the same place of business over and over and behaving in the same way. In reality nobody is ever going to pay any sort of penalty for asking out a woman once at her place of work, unless they happen to be colleagues and make the pass in a particularly vulgar, aggressive or threatening sort of way.

Gayle and McLaughlin are not, to the best of my understanding, colleagues. One plays cricket. The other is a TV presenter who presents on people who play cricket. Gayle is not a repeat offender with McLaughlin. So, if this situation is sublimated to one where the person being allegedly sexually harassed is not somebody with wealth and status and privilege, do you think anyone pays so much as a $10 fine? Of course not.

Wait a second. You are the one suggesting that blue collar workers get harassed and are not protected. Just because the law suggests a pattern of harassment or more serious instances before someone can be held legally responsible is neither here nor there, unless you are suggesting that Gayle is about to be charged for this incident?

All workplaces are obligated to have policies for workplace and sexual harassment and I can tell you, it really doesn't matter if it is a colleague, a sub contractor, a visitor to your workplace or anyone else. You have to provide a safe environment for workers and others.

You call me naïve when this is part of what I do for a living.

Well, that's just tough, and it goes with the territory of being a TV presenter. Your image is going to go out nationwide and live TV is unpredictable and unscripted; you shouldn't accept the job unless you are aware and accept that you might suffer some humiliating episode at some point over a long career. It's inevitable, whether that humiliating episode is of a sexual nature or otherwise, at some point in time you are virtually guaranteed to suffer it.

So your argument is that she should expect to be sexually harassed when on the job .... that sexual harassment goes with the territory of being a TV presenter ... that it is her fault for accepting the job when she should have known that might happen?

Workplace harassment needs to pass a reasonable person test and generally needs to be humiliating. Do you think humiliation might be exacerbated if it occurs in front of more people?

The only thing missing here is a pattern of behaviour from Gayle to McLaughlin. The pattern exists from others to McLaughlin and from Gayle to others however. Then we are only talking about disciplinary action from an employer here, not a regulatory body.

 

[Underarm]

I am mistaken then. But, how many cricketers actually enjoy the media side of their work and not view it as a tedious chore? How many cricketers would give honest and sincere answers even if the interviewer is a fat ugly man? Not many, I would imagine, since even those who do have the discipline to answer properly mostly seem to answer in meaningless cliches and trifling platitudes. The profession is not taken seriously to begin with. The sexuality of the professional in question rarely seems to matter in this regard.

Sure it would be a chore to do these mandatory interviews, but giving back cliche'd responses is better than not acknowledging the questions in the first place. None of the other Players (to my knowledge) have shown Mel (or Howie when he used to do it) disrespect like that and its Naive of you to think that her gender didn't play a part in that.

 

[JimDocker]

Why don't you demonstrate how full of shit I am by showing me the stats on prosecutions made for sexual harassment, or something? Am I supposed to just take your word for it? I'm not an obstinate arseh*le, I have no trouble admitting I'm wrong - provided somebody actually goes to the trouble of teaching me better instead of just saying "you're an *insert insult here*" and leaving it at that.

You compared somebody asking a girl working at a bar being asked out with Chris Gayle doing it live on television when a reporter is trying to ask him about cricket. i.e. doing her job. That is just plain silly. That is not an abstract paradox that a dialectician would come up with. It is a non sequitur.

As for "you shouldn't accept the job unless you are aware and accept that you might suffer some humiliating episode at some point over a long career." Being sexually harassed is unacceptable in any job. You are basically saying that she is fair game because she is in a certain profession.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Why don't you demonstrate how full of shit I am by showing me the stats on prosecutions made for sexual harassment, or something? Am I supposed to just take your word for it? I'm not an obstinate arseh*le, I have no trouble admitting I'm wrong - provided somebody actually goes to the trouble of teaching me better instead of just saying "you're an *insert insult here*" and leaving it at that.

Most sexual harassment or workplace harassment cases are very much a case of 'he said, she said'. The provision is there to prosecute but the evidence and the subjectivity of it are very hard to prove.

That doesn't mean sexual harassment continues unhindered. You just have to continue to educate the workplace and build a case.

 

[Farm Boy]

It would be pretty funny to see the Renegades go into panic stations if Gayle declared he won't cop the fine, and is instead flying back home. I don't think the Renegades could hold him to his contract, because I don't think he broken any rules to be fined 10k. This whole debacle has 'set off' a rabid Aussie public because they witnessed on live TV a man of color make a pass at one of their own. Not only has a man of privilege, but a man of color. This outrage has shades of Goodes about it, certainly not a great look for Australia.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

It would be pretty funny to see the Renegades go into panic stations if Gayle declared he won't cop the fine, and is instead flying back home. I don't think the Renegades could hold him to his contract, because I don't think he broken any rules to be fined 10k. This whole debacle has 'set off' a rabid Aussie public because they witnessed on live TV a man of color make a pass at one of their own. Not only has a man of privilege, but a man of color. This outrage has shades of Goodes about it, certainly not a great look for Australia.

Absurd leap of logic.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Worst press conference of the year is going to take some beating after the Renegades CEO's effort. Good grief.

 

[JimDocker]

It would be pretty funny to see the Renegades go into panic stations if Gayle declared he won't cop the fine, and is instead flying back home. I don't think the Renegades could hold him to his contract, because I don't think he broken any rules to be fined 10k. This whole debacle has 'set off' a rabid Aussie public because they witnessed on live TV a man of color make a pass at one of their own. Not only has a man of privilege, but a man of color. This outrage has shades of Goodes about it, certainly not a great look for Australia.

FFS !

 

[Juddy88]

It would be pretty funny to see the Renegades go into panic stations if Gayle declared he won't cop the fine, and is instead flying back home. I don't think the Renegades could hold him to his contract, because I don't think he broken any rules to be fined 10k. This whole debacle has 'set off' a rabid Aussie public because they witnessed on live TV a man of color make a pass at one of their own. Not only has a man of privilege, but a man of color. This outrage has shades of Goodes about it, certainly not a great look for Australia.

You are a complete moron.

 

[Gray Day]

It would be pretty funny to see the Renegades go into panic stations if Gayle declared he won't cop the fine, and is instead flying back home. I don't think the Renegades could hold him to his contract, because I don't think he broken any rules to be fined 10k. This whole debacle has 'set off' a rabid Aussie public because they witnessed on live TV a man of color make a pass at one of their own. Not only has a man of privilege, but a man of color. This outrage has shades of Goodes about it, certainly not a great look for Australia.

Those privileged enough to run full-time Twitter accounts should be ashamed of such racial insensitivity

 

[Colonial]

It would be pretty funny to see the Renegades go into panic stations if Gayle declared he won't cop the fine, and is instead flying back home. I don't think the Renegades could hold him to his contract, because I don't think he broken any rules to be fined 10k. This whole debacle has 'set off' a rabid Aussie public because they witnessed on live TV a man of color make a pass at one of their own. Not only has a man of privilege, but a man of color. This outrage has shades of Goodes about it, certainly not a great look for Australia.

With respect.

WTF?

You must of had 1 or 2 drinks

 

[CURVE]

You are the one using disgusting, disrespectful, sexist language. All Gayle did was ask her out for a drink! And here you are shoving words in his mouth. "The reward for a job well done". What evidence do you have that such a thought was running through Gayle's head? Absolutely none. Let's deal in facts and evidence please: "Your eyes are pretty. Let's go out for a drink. Don't blush baby" is a far, far cry from "Hey look at this fine bitch, I scored a hundred, I deserve to **** her now".

Fact: Both are derogatory.
Fact: Both are disrespectful.
Fact: Both are sexist.
Fact: Both are demeaning.

 

[Gray Day]

How Mel made a statement about the matter yet?

 

[Juddy88]

How Mel made a statement about the matter yet?

Why does she need to?