Autopsy Opening Rd - St Kilda v Collingwood

[SainterinSydney]

What about Max Gruzewski as a possible recruit?

I wanted this bloke last year. He is a quality player.

 

[stavro#4]

What about Max Gruzewski as a possible recruit?

a player half the league wants and North are apparently going to throw Flanders type of money at

 

[stavro#4]

yeah but it happens.

couple of years ago Hawthorn were 1-6. the teams they lost to in those first 7 rounds ended up finishing 1st, 3rd, 9th, 11th, 13th, 14th. then something clicked and they went 13-3 from there; 11-2 from the end of May.

it's not ideal but history says it's always possible.

I get that, but that's the minority and absolutely not what we should be hoping for or hanging our hat on.

History says that the 8 changes very little post round 8. That's something to be more front of mind on.

 

[bergholt]

I get that, but that's the minority and absolutely not what we should be hoping for or hanging our hat on.

History says that the 8 changes very little post round 8. That's something to be more front of mind on.

agree but I reckon (though without specific evidence) history also says that young teams with a bunch of new recruits take a while to gel properly

 

[stavro#4]

agree but I reckon (though without specific evidence) history also says that young teams with a bunch of new recruits take a while to gel properly

Wouldn't even know the stats or if there are any on that.

How about we just start winning games of football starting this weekend.

 

[akaifu]

What about Max Gruzewski as a possible recruit?

I wouldn't mind it but the fact that he's only 192cm-ish puts me off (I know he plays bigger than he is). I want a big 195cm+ target like Walter

 

[Mav3rick]

Unless we get that midfield and forward line organized and running on all burners, then we will struggle with Melbourne- simples. It looks to me that in the Collingwood game, Lyon must have instructed the half backs and midfield to kick long regardless, even when good short targets were calling for the ball.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that ignoring good short targets was not, is not and will never be part of the game plan.

 

[gringo2011]

Collingwood will never struggle to attract players

Biggest crowd any Saints player had played in front of Sunday, Pendlebury's 41st largest crowd LOL

Players don't want to play 4 years at the bottom of the ladder. Pies have one of the worst pools of youth in footy. If they drop out of the 8 this season they'll look a lot less appealing.

 

[gringo2011]

I wouldn't mind it but the fact that he's only 192cm-ish puts me off (I know he plays bigger than he is). I want a big 195cm+ target like Walter

He's very good at least. 5 bags of 4 goals, 2 bags of 5 from 15 games last year in the VFL.

If we want more height Jefferson is a proper tall forward and pretty sure he's out of contract. He's behind Van Rooyen and with Mihocek into the side he's probably feeling left out.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

He's very good at least. 5 bags of 4 goals, 2 bags of 5 from 15 games last year in the VFL.

If we want more height Jefferson is a proper tall forward and pretty sure he's out of contract. He's behind Van Rooyen and with Mihocek into the side he's probably feeling left out.

Where is Jobe? Shanahan at with his contract

 

[gringo2011]

Where is Jobe? Shanahan at with his contract

Contracted until 2028 but if you start pushing early enough you can sometime shake them loose. Just costs us a bit more in trade assets.

 

[karnaby]

One last little bite of this very sour cherry:

The pic below is moments before one of Sharman's dropped marks. I wondered why his left arm didn't get near the ball. As this shows one of the filth players has one hand holding down his left elbow and another on his shoulder. In that circumstance there's no chance that he could have taken the mark.

Not everything is/was as it seems.



(courtesy of The Mighty Saintz video)

 

[Teflon]

Whilst 9 and 10 play in finals. If that’s where we end up, I have some grave concerns we have mightily ****ed up.

We need to be genuinely in finals and dare I say comfortably in the 8.

That’s an interesting take and while we are all feverishly keen to cement ourselves in as genuine top 8 challenger …it was interesting listening to Joey’s take on us this year before season kick off which was : get into at minimum a play off this season with the real window starting from next year for 3. His comment was the list still has gaps so was quite interesting to hear it from him (not to mention 20% of our starting 18 has changed this year).
For me it’s probably less about the wins (I’d love them) but I’m more concerned IF I see the same old same old
Problems re surface as I did last week…lack of forward 50 connection, ball being bombed in and multiple players getting sucked into a contest while opponents keep theirs out only to take the ball away easily and score. IF those things don’t get addressed….Houston we have a problem…want to see a tighter, more disciplined style in our play that the top sides have..

 

[stavro#4]

That’s an interesting take and while we are all feverishly keen to cement ourselves in as genuine top 8 challenger …it was interesting listening to Joey’s take on us this year before season kick off which was : get into at minimum a play off this season with the real window starting from next year for 3. His comment was the list still has gaps so was quite interesting to hear it from him (not to mention 20% of our starting 18 has changed this year).
For me it’s probably less about the wins (I’d love them) but I’m more concerned IF I see the same old same old
Problems re surface as I did last week…lack of forward 50 connection, ball being bombed in and multiple players getting sucked into a contest while opponents keep theirs out only to take the ball away easily and score. IF those things don’t get addressed….Houston we have a problem…want to see a tighter, more disciplined style in our play that the top sides have..

We won’t be replacing gaps with quality if we are the 9-10th best side.


Too many sides ahead of us with cap space to make it difficult.

 

[Teflon]

We won’t be replacing gaps with quality if we are the 9-10th best side.


Too many sides ahead of us with cap space to make it difficult.

That’s true but it might just be where we are at - I think that was Joeys point
20% turnover in starting 18 onfield personnel will also take time
For me I want to play some exciting footy this year - still think we are behind Hawks in re build
IF we see the same type of dumb footy (saw it last week) then Ross ain’t our man and I don’t like saying that cause I think he’s made us relevant again but you gotta be able to score

 

[Diehard Saint]

IF we see the same type of dumb footy (saw it last week) then Ross ain’t our man and I don’t like saying that cause I think he’s made us relevant again but you gotta be able to score

Not sure that Ross gets to kick for goal though.
Or mark the ball.

He gives us the game plan to get the inside 50s - which he did.
The execution bit, he can’t do.

 

[jwikked]

Not sure that Ross gets to kick for goal though.
Or mark the ball.

He gives us the game plan to get the inside 50s - which he did.
The execution bit, he can’t do.

The idea that Ross Lyon is defensive, dour football that doesn't score goals is outdated and ridiculous. Usually parroted by those that don't watch footy, but read about it in the Herald Sun on a Monday.

 

[AirWinmar]

The idea that Ross Lyon is defensive, dour football that doesn't score goals is outdated and ridiculous. Usually parroted by those that don't watch footy, but read about it in the Herald Sun on a Monday.

And the commentators who although they do watch footy every week, think we are the only tram that gets numbers back and dont understand that opposition will ptrds up hard as well to lock the ball in

 

[Teflon]

Not sure that Ross gets to kick for goal though.
Or mark the ball.

He gives us the game plan to get the inside 50s - which he did.
The execution bit, he can’t do.

That’s the bit I grapple with ….so bombing the ball in gets us a stat that says it’s gone in…..doesn’t give us the best chance to score ?
If players are constantly kicking to deeper pockets and not lead up players in the centre corridor…is that skill execution or game plan ?
Lyon can’t make Sharman stick a mark or Wilson nail a goal ….but I’m not sure the coach is fully exonerated from the lack of centre- forward connection we’ve seen now the past 3 years ?
Got to fix the delivery - watch Hawks options everywhere….we look 1 dimensional and easy to stop once it hits the ground coaches gotta get to work I think

 

[Teflon]

The idea that Ross Lyon is defensive, dour football that doesn't score goals is outdated and ridiculous. Usually parroted by those that don't watch footy, but read about it in the Herald Sun on a Monday.

Ross doesn’t play the same style he did early days that’s obvious but I wouldn’t say he’s the most offensive minded coach getting around ..

 

[jwikked]

but I wouldn’t say he’s the most offensive minded coach getting around ..

Why not? Wants the team to move the ball fast, which isn't conducive with a defensive mindset.

 

[Teflon]

Why not? Wants the team to move the ball fast, which isn't conducive with a defensive mindset.

Not sure the scoring results back the rhetoric up bud

 

[jwikked]

Not sure the scoring results back the rhetoric up bud

That’s on the players. That’s on Mitch Owen’s being a terrible kick at goal. That’s on the inability of players to hit a target.

 

[Teflon]

That’s on the players. That’s on Mitch Owen’s being a terrible kick at goal. That’s on the inability of players to hit a target.

Yeah I’ve thought that too at times but only someone with their hand in the sand having watched Lyon coach for decades would suggest he’s a heavy scoring coach - he doesn’t need to be btw - but kicking 9 goals a game against top sides won’t get it done. We know this been there seen it before
Sure players need to execute…but the lack of connection going into fwd 50 has been a constant issue the coaching group need to get on it. If we see the same crap , bombing in on Sharman or Mitch’s head we are going nowhere

 

[Teflon]

And just like that the Crows come over and show us how to beat the Pies…
Own goal last week gang that’s for sure…won’t want too many
Good news is Giants up there next week off an 80 point spanking by the Dogs…..