Operation trade back into 2018 draft

[eastfreo75]

Is anyone on here familiar with the live draft system that’s used in US sports? Is this for swapping contracted players or just picks? Or is it for swapping players once they have been drafted (or nominated) by a club?

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/6/22/15846618/nba-draft-2017-trades-tracker-full-list
Players and picks.

In the NBA players can be traded without their consent.

Our draft will be just be picks.

 

[Clems Knee]

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/6/22/15846618/nba-draft-2017-trades-tracker-full-list
Players and picks.

In the NBA players can be traded without their consent.

Our draft will be just be picks.

Thanks for that. Only three draft day trades, and only one of them was for picks only.

The other factor that the NBA has is the draft lottery. So you don’t know if you are going to get pick 1 or pick 3. So if you get pick 3 you can trade for pick 1 (with future picks) at that stage.

I can’t see the point of the AFL going down the path of draft day trading. No trading without consent. No draft lottery.

 

[rgauci]

Can someone confirm, if you go into draft pick points debt, that is deducted from your future 1st rounder, or deducted from the future round where the player was bid on.

For instance if Carter is bid on with a 2nd round pick, is the deduction from our future 2nd or future 1st round pick.

 

[theGav56]

We don’t know who Lloyd and Bondy have lined up to “return home” for us next year yet either. I suspect we won’t be needing many draft picks for 2018, hence they flogged them off.

At some stage we won’t be going as hard for under 25 boys wanting to come home. Instead we will be scouring the FA market for a crack at the Finals.

 

[jerms]

Can someone confirm, if you go into draft pick points debt, that is deducted from your future 1st rounder, or deducted from the future round where the player was bid on.

For instance if Carter is bid on with a 2nd round pick, is the deduction from our future 2nd or future 1st round pick.

Future 1st: http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/Father-son-bidding-system.pdf

 

[theGav56]

GC really stuff up with their trade dealing with ablett and Weller at the last minute and go ahead with eagles trade without asking Freo whether eagles future first round is enough for Freo .

I think their next year first round and a second this year would be a decent deal. Has some uncertainty about it, but I am ok with that given the possible targets we have in next years draft.

 

[meima]

I think their next year first round and a second this year would be a decent deal. Has some uncertainty about it, but I am ok with that given the possible targets we have in next years draft.

I am ok with Freo deal but GC what a rubbish deal with eagles ,is next year eaglea first round that important.
In : eagles future 1st rd , this year pick 50
Out : next year 2nd rd , this year no 21,26, 37
Why get pick 41 and pick 50 , when you already know Freo want pick 2.

That pick 41 and freo future 3rd can be avoided if they don't do the deal with eagles.

 

[rgauci]

Future 1st: http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/Father-son-bidding-system.pdf

What if you trade it away, imagine trading a future 1st for say pick 12-15 next year. Then Carter is bid on with pick 20. Our future 2nd would go into debt.

 

[jerms]

What if you trade it away, imagine trading a future 1st for say pick 12-15 next year. Then Carter is bid on with pick 20. Our future 2nd would go into debt.

There's a clause that prevents you from doing it (similar principle to GWS's penalty this year):

If a Nominating Club does not have enough points to secure a F/S or Academy selection in a given Draft, the points required will carry over
to the Club’s first selection the following year.

• In this case, points will be deducted prior to the trade period to ensure the Nominating Club pays it points debt, rather than trades picks away.
• Clubs will not be eligible to participate in the bidding system if they still owe points going into the next Draft.

 

[wayToGo_]

There's a clause that prevents you from doing it (similar principle to GWS's penalty this year):

If a Nominating Club does not have enough points to secure a F/S or Academy selection in a given Draft, the points required will carry over
to the Club’s first selection the following year.

• In this case, points will be deducted prior to the trade period to ensure the Nominating Club pays it points debt, rather than trades picks away.
• Clubs will not be eligible to participate in the bidding system if they still owe points going into the next Draft.

That means the next trade period not the trade period just gone. So if you have already traded out your future 1st it would come off your 2nd rounder at the start of the following year's trade period.

 

[jerms]

That means the next trade period not the trade period just gone. So if you have already traded out your future 1st it would come off your 2nd rounder at the start of the following year's trade period.

I wasn't really following. Did rgauci mean do it preemptively in expectation of otherwise copping a whack on a 1st (as opposed to trying to escape the penalty the year after)? I guess that could work. You're telegraphing the intention though, just daring a club to make an early bid and smash the remainder of your draft the year after.

e.g. let's say we have pick 5 again next year, and we use it, following which somebody bids on Carter at 6, knowing we have our cards on the table and will take him. We have zero points remaining in the 2018 draft and have traded out or 2019 1st. Let's say we finish 8th in 2018, so our first pick is at 28 (46, 64, etc) before servicing the points debt. We have 1,314 points (1,751 @ 25% discount) of debt. 28, 46 and 64 are now all at the end of the draft, with another 205 to come off our 1st the year after (would turn pick 12 into pick 16), and a restriction on matching bids on academy players while the debt remains. If a club really wanted to f*ck us, they could.

 

[M_rash]

At some stage we won’t be going as hard for under 25 boys wanting to come home. Instead we will be scouring the FA market for a crack at the Finals.

Quite possibly. But we haven’t had much luck of that previously. I think it’ll still be WA free agents, and I think we will still be trying to lure young WA boys home to help achieve “sustained success”.

Giving up second and third round picks for talented B22 young WA boys would be a good way to sustain the list for success - hopefully!