yeah probably the last two flags the pies have won in the last 3 years gives them the edge i guess. lol
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yeah probably the last two flags the pies have won in the last 3 years gives them the edge i guess. lol
When did they ever come back from hell.
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How much will the Dayne Beams deal cost the Pies, or can they break even despite his exit?
It was the fork in the road moment that has had a major impact on two clubs. With an hour to go in the 2018 trade period, Dayne Beams was still a Lion. Jon Ralph goes behind the scenes of the deal and looks at how its failure could hurt Collingwood.
On September 1 2018, Dayne Beams stood in front of the Brisbane faithful and declared his love for the club and his future within it.
That connection was the “driving factor” in him wanting to honour his contract. Beams’s final message was: “I love you boys.”
But in the hours after that best-and-fairest second placing the Lions reconciled themselves to his eventual departure.
During a long and emotional late-night discussion with club powerbrokers, Beams railed against his second placing to Dayne Zorko, adamant he would have been a worthy winner.
It would take the better part of two months for Brisbane to trade Beams back to Collingwood, yet by the end of that night the Lions knew they would trade him if the right deal was presented.
As one Lions insider said, a captain who should be the most low-maintenance figure at a football club had instead become its most high-maintenance.
Despite its public position to the contrary, Brisbane had reconciled itself to trading its star midfielder.
Beams is now a Collingwood player in name only as his management and the club work on a financial settlement that could still be months in the making.
But to present this as a case of Collingwood bungling a $2 million deal with reckless disregard for Beams’s issues is unfair, too.
Collingwood knew that Beams’s mental ill health was multifaceted and borne out of more than grief for his father’s death.
The club that once hired a private investigator and spoke to chief commissioner Christine Nixon about the risk profile of Ben Cousins will have its own thoughts on its levels of due diligence.
But it shared the view of Brisbane’s mental health experts: that like many players in football, Beams would need help and guidance to maximise his mental health, but could be effectively managed.
To go into those details helps no party given Beams remains away from the game consulting experts about his mental health.
But Beams was the last deal done in trade week — half an hour before deadline — and the Lions weren’t desperate to retain Beams (having just traded for Lachie Neale). But they wouldn't have done so without a quality trade.
If Collingwood cannot get salary cap relief from the AFL for Beams’s extraordinary circumstances — and why wouldn’t it ask — it will be on the hook for whatever it eventually settles for with Beams.
The Pies know more than anyone premierships are won and lost on fine margins, privately aware they wouldn’t have done the deal if they hadn’t been so close against West Coast a month before.
Only time will tell whether those selections and cap space cost them the players that might have been the difference when the next opportunity comes around.
The $2 million salary handed to Beams might be more problematic long term than the two first-round picks Collingwood handed up for the midfielder.
When the Magpies traded for Beams he was fresh off the All-Australian squad after averaging 29 disposals and 5.6 clearances. The Pies had just lost a Grand Final by a kick.
He had the backing of good mate Steele Sidebottom and met with coach Nathan Buckley to repair an at-times frosty previous relationship.
Collingwood, having secured Jordan De Goey and Jack Crisp in its initial trade with Brisbane for Beams, gave up picks 18 and 56 and its 2019 first-rounder, and got back Beams plus picks 41 and 44.
It immediately parlayed those picks into academy selection Isaac Quaynor (pick 13), and father-son Will Kelly (29), also securing academy kid Atu Bosenavulagi (77).
Last November as a result of handing its first-rounder to Brisbane, its first pick was midfielder Jay Rantall at pick 40, then Trent Bianco at 45 and Trey Ruscoe at 55.
If you want to kick the Pies you can say they handed over picks that in 2018 gave the Lions exciting midfielder Ely Smith and the Power in 2019 likely Round 1 debutant Mitch Georgiades (Port swapped picks with the Lions).
The Pies took Beams knowing they had a trio of father-son and academy picks coming up.
Quaynor is now exciting the Magpies after a huge pre-season while late pick Bosenavulagi is also showing promise.
Rantall hasn’t missed a beat all summer and he, too, might make an early debut.
If Quaynor turns into an elite half-back and former basketballer Tom Wilson can fire after a strong pre-season as a Category B rookie, it’s not the lost first-round selections that will hurt.
The sum total of their gains and losses from the two-year period might be a break-even.
It’s the salary cap effect that potentially hurts.
Last year’s sleeper trade that never happened was of wingman Tom Phillips, who the Pies were willing to move on despite a new contract signed in early 2019 and his 572-possession year.
Geelong was a suitor given it needed outside run and might have offered a long-term deal, but Phillips simply wasn’t interested. Fair enough, given his new deal.
If Phillips hits the markers for his performance clauses he can make a lucrative sum this season, which will put even more pressure on the Pies’ salary cap.
He runs all day, rarely misses a game and is the kind of mid-priced player a tight cap could squeeze out.
Brodie Grundy’s seven-year deal actually gives the Pies flexibility to defer some of his money to later years.
If Darcy Moore puts together a solid season he will be paid accordingly, but the wildcard is the unpredictable De Goey, soon to be with his third management group.
But the Pies will feel the fallout from Beams’s salary if Phillips is tipped out or De Goey accepts a mega-deal elsewhere that the Pies could have matched with that lost salary cap space.
It was the fork in the road moment that has had a major impact on two clubs. With an hour to go in the 2018 trade period, Dayne Beams was still a Lion. Jon Ralph goes behind the scenes of the deal and looks at how its failure could hurt Collingwood.
On September 1 2018, Dayne Beams stood in front of the Brisbane faithful and declared his love for the club and his future within it.
That connection was the “driving factor” in him wanting to honour his contract. Beams’s final message was: “I love you boys.”
But in the hours after that best-and-fairest second placing the Lions reconciled themselves to his eventual departure.
During a long and emotional late-night discussion with club powerbrokers, Beams railed against his second placing to Dayne Zorko, adamant he would have been a worthy winner.
It would take the better part of two months for Brisbane to trade Beams back to Collingwood, yet by the end of that night the Lions knew they would trade him if the right deal was presented.
As one Lions insider said, a captain who should be the most low-maintenance figure at a football club had instead become its most high-maintenance.
Despite its public position to the contrary, Brisbane had reconciled itself to trading its star midfielder.
Beams is now a Collingwood player in name only as his management and the club work on a financial settlement that could still be months in the making.
But to present this as a case of Collingwood bungling a $2 million deal with reckless disregard for Beams’s issues is unfair, too.
Collingwood knew that Beams’s mental ill health was multifaceted and borne out of more than grief for his father’s death.
The club that once hired a private investigator and spoke to chief commissioner Christine Nixon about the risk profile of Ben Cousins will have its own thoughts on its levels of due diligence.
But it shared the view of Brisbane’s mental health experts: that like many players in football, Beams would need help and guidance to maximise his mental health, but could be effectively managed.
To go into those details helps no party given Beams remains away from the game consulting experts about his mental health.
But Beams was the last deal done in trade week — half an hour before deadline — and the Lions weren’t desperate to retain Beams (having just traded for Lachie Neale). But they wouldn't have done so without a quality trade.
If Collingwood cannot get salary cap relief from the AFL for Beams’s extraordinary circumstances — and why wouldn’t it ask — it will be on the hook for whatever it eventually settles for with Beams.
The Pies know more than anyone premierships are won and lost on fine margins, privately aware they wouldn’t have done the deal if they hadn’t been so close against West Coast a month before.
Only time will tell whether those selections and cap space cost them the players that might have been the difference when the next opportunity comes around.
The $2 million salary handed to Beams might be more problematic long term than the two first-round picks Collingwood handed up for the midfielder.
When the Magpies traded for Beams he was fresh off the All-Australian squad after averaging 29 disposals and 5.6 clearances. The Pies had just lost a Grand Final by a kick.
He had the backing of good mate Steele Sidebottom and met with coach Nathan Buckley to repair an at-times frosty previous relationship.
Collingwood, having secured Jordan De Goey and Jack Crisp in its initial trade with Brisbane for Beams, gave up picks 18 and 56 and its 2019 first-rounder, and got back Beams plus picks 41 and 44.
It immediately parlayed those picks into academy selection Isaac Quaynor (pick 13), and father-son Will Kelly (29), also securing academy kid Atu Bosenavulagi (77).
Last November as a result of handing its first-rounder to Brisbane, its first pick was midfielder Jay Rantall at pick 40, then Trent Bianco at 45 and Trey Ruscoe at 55.
If you want to kick the Pies you can say they handed over picks that in 2018 gave the Lions exciting midfielder Ely Smith and the Power in 2019 likely Round 1 debutant Mitch Georgiades (Port swapped picks with the Lions).
The Pies took Beams knowing they had a trio of father-son and academy picks coming up.
Quaynor is now exciting the Magpies after a huge pre-season while late pick Bosenavulagi is also showing promise.
Rantall hasn’t missed a beat all summer and he, too, might make an early debut.
If Quaynor turns into an elite half-back and former basketballer Tom Wilson can fire after a strong pre-season as a Category B rookie, it’s not the lost first-round selections that will hurt.
The sum total of their gains and losses from the two-year period might be a break-even.
It’s the salary cap effect that potentially hurts.
Last year’s sleeper trade that never happened was of wingman Tom Phillips, who the Pies were willing to move on despite a new contract signed in early 2019 and his 572-possession year.
Geelong was a suitor given it needed outside run and might have offered a long-term deal, but Phillips simply wasn’t interested. Fair enough, given his new deal.
If Phillips hits the markers for his performance clauses he can make a lucrative sum this season, which will put even more pressure on the Pies’ salary cap.
He runs all day, rarely misses a game and is the kind of mid-priced player a tight cap could squeeze out.
Brodie Grundy’s seven-year deal actually gives the Pies flexibility to defer some of his money to later years.
If Darcy Moore puts together a solid season he will be paid accordingly, but the wildcard is the unpredictable De Goey, soon to be with his third management group.
But the Pies will feel the fallout from Beams’s salary if Phillips is tipped out or De Goey accepts a mega-deal elsewhere that the Pies could have matched with that lost salary cap space.
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Richmond should have never taken him back after Collingwood released him.
Funny that Collingwood only chased Beams as they were desperate for a face saving signing after missing out on Lynch.
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Northern Territory prospect Adam Tipungwuti on North Melbourne’s radar ahead of mid-season rookie draft
North Melbourne has the inside running to snare its version of Marlion Pickett 2.0 in this season’s mid-season draft.
Northern Territory prospect Adam Tipungwuti produced an eye-catching display in the Kangaroos intra-club last Friday, just four days after signing with North’s VFL program.
The 23-year-old trained for the first time last Wednesday night, before playing as a small forward in North Melbourne’s practice match at Arden Street 48 hours later.
North Melbourne doesn’t have a spot available on its list right now, but insiders expect the Roos to consider picking the livewire forward at the midway point of the season if his form develops in the next few months.
Richmond took a punt on a 27-year-old Pickett in the first mid-season draft since 1993 before the WAFL star made a stunning debut on the last Saturday in September.
Tipungwuti, who is the cousin of Essendon fan favourite Anthony McDonald-Tipunguti, met with four clubs ahead of last May’s mid-season rookie draft, including North Melbourne, Essendon and Greater Western Sydney.
The Kangaroos considered Tipungwuti at the time, before settling on Glenelg forward Lachlan Hosie at Pick 5, who nearly broke through for a debut in the final month of last season.
Essendon attempted to gain priority access to the Tiwi Islands product ahead of last year’s mid-season draft, but the AFL knocked them back despite that region being part of the Bombers’ next generation academy zone, with the Bombers choosing West Adelaide half-forward Will Snelling instead.
New senior coach Rhyce Shaw coached Tipungwuti for two games when he played for Sydney’s NEAFL side in 2018 and is understood to have been impressed by him, before he returned to the Northern Territory shortly after kicking three goals against Greater Western Sydney’s reserves.
New GM of football Brady Rawlings interviewed him when he was list manager at West Coast and considered drafting him then, while veteran talent identifier Scott Clayton has recently joined the Kangaroos’ list management team after spending the past two years working at the Eagles.
Forwards coach Brendan Whitecross has also crossed paths with him after the indigenous star lived with his parents when he was part of the Brisbane Lions’ academy in 2014.
Tipungwuti looked dangerous in North Melbourne’s intra-club last Friday, terrorising Jamie Macmillan and Jasper Pittard with his defensive forward pressure.
Three senior players told foxsports.com.au they were amazed by his pure natural ability after his dazzling display on Friday.
It is understood one reason clubs have baulked at him in the past is because of his lack of training. He has rarely trained with more than 15 players – if at all – and has barely seen the inside of a gym.
Recruiters believe he will benefit greatly from being inside a more professional environment, leaving eight VFL games between now and the mid-season draft.
Tipungwuti played 14 games for the Tiwi Bombers in the Northern Territory Football League between October and February, including one appearance with Hawthorn great Cyril Rioli.
A date is yet to be set for the 2020 mid-season rookie draft, but expect it to be held on the Monday after Round 11.
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North Melbourne has the inside running to snare its version of Marlion Pickett 2.0 in this season’s mid-season draft.
Northern Territory prospect Adam Tipungwuti produced an eye-catching display in the Kangaroos intra-club last Friday, just four days after signing with North’s VFL program.
The 23-year-old trained for the first time last Wednesday night, before playing as a small forward in North Melbourne’s practice match at Arden Street 48 hours later.
North Melbourne doesn’t have a spot available on its list right now, but insiders expect the Roos to consider picking the livewire forward at the midway point of the season if his form develops in the next few months.
Richmond took a punt on a 27-year-old Pickett in the first mid-season draft since 1993 before the WAFL star made a stunning debut on the last Saturday in September.
Tipungwuti, who is the cousin of Essendon fan favourite Anthony McDonald-Tipunguti, met with four clubs ahead of last May’s mid-season rookie draft, including North Melbourne, Essendon and Greater Western Sydney.
The Kangaroos considered Tipungwuti at the time, before settling on Glenelg forward Lachlan Hosie at Pick 5, who nearly broke through for a debut in the final month of last season.
Essendon attempted to gain priority access to the Tiwi Islands product ahead of last year’s mid-season draft, but the AFL knocked them back despite that region being part of the Bombers’ next generation academy zone, with the Bombers choosing West Adelaide half-forward Will Snelling instead.
New senior coach Rhyce Shaw coached Tipungwuti for two games when he played for Sydney’s NEAFL side in 2018 and is understood to have been impressed by him, before he returned to the Northern Territory shortly after kicking three goals against Greater Western Sydney’s reserves.
New GM of football Brady Rawlings interviewed him when he was list manager at West Coast and considered drafting him then, while veteran talent identifier Scott Clayton has recently joined the Kangaroos’ list management team after spending the past two years working at the Eagles.
Forwards coach Brendan Whitecross has also crossed paths with him after the indigenous star lived with his parents when he was part of the Brisbane Lions’ academy in 2014.
Tipungwuti looked dangerous in North Melbourne’s intra-club last Friday, terrorising Jamie Macmillan and Jasper Pittard with his defensive forward pressure.
Three senior players told foxsports.com.au they were amazed by his pure natural ability after his dazzling display on Friday.
It is understood one reason clubs have baulked at him in the past is because of his lack of training. He has rarely trained with more than 15 players – if at all – and has barely seen the inside of a gym.
Recruiters believe he will benefit greatly from being inside a more professional environment, leaving eight VFL games between now and the mid-season draft.
Tipungwuti played 14 games for the Tiwi Bombers in the Northern Territory Football League between October and February, including one appearance with Hawthorn great Cyril Rioli.
A date is yet to be set for the 2020 mid-season rookie draft, but expect it to be held on the Monday after Round 11.
Northern Territory prospect Adam Tipungwuti on North Melbourne’s radar ahead of mid-season rookie draft
North Melbourne eyeing off the next Pickett. And he also has a famous surname
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Dees will be training on a mini sized oval the size of a postage stamp next to the railway line.
Mini footballs.
Mini footballs.
Well it worked for us, but there is a major flaw in their plan and it's that they're not us.
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I remember they had a big plan at the same time as us 10 years ago with Stynes. They quickly fell apart again.
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so....they're inching closer to Richmond Station.....now, exactly which part of
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Doesn't matter if it's copied or not, you need a plan to achieve success otherwise you just end up making it up as you go. Remember plenty of people said we were doomed to fail when we released our plans a decade ago and it took us a long time to achieve the on field goals and a lot of help from the members/fans to hit the off field goals.
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Tongue was firmly in cheek when he made those comments.
It's still a copied plan...it reeks of stale news...same old same old...what other AFL clubs have spruiked before...nothing original at all!
If they had of gone on about a new home ground...now we are talking!
Pidgin english?!!?
Salary cap relief, by this i gather Jonny Ralph is suggesting that the pies will ask that Beams' payout be outside the cap, and what extraordinary circumstances, he retired and the reasons why he retired should never come into it when settling on a payout, Collingwood didn't do this to Beams, Beams did it to himself and that is how the AFL will see it as well i have no doubt.
They have the inside running do they despite no list spot available, unless someone gets a season ending injury or retires then there will still be no list spot available mid season so how can insiders expect the roos to consider picking him if they don't have a pick in the mid season draft.
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It was announced today that they have narrowed their search down to 5 locations for a training base, including next to Richmond Station.
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Sorry can't agree with the assertion that Beams did it to himself. You don't do mental illness to yourself, there may be issues that contribute to it, like the rumoured gambling issue, but the bloke has his father pass away, was having pressure put on him to knock back the Pies initial approach which he did, but when you read that article Ralph wrote today, the Lions were the ones who decided to trade him away after he had a bit of a whinge about coming second in the B&F. From the outside looking in and from personal experience having had my own mental breakdown about 24 months ago, it appears to me that all the pressures have got to him and he simply can't cope anymore with the pressure of being an AFL player, which has then led to some rumours about uncharacteristic behaviour.
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