Opposition Obsession/Hypocrisy thread

[blues4flag]

Re: Opposition obsession thread

To the recent interlopers, if you had taken the time to read the opening post, you will know that the purpose of this thread was to keep the natives in here returning fire to some of the plethora of obsessed opposition supporters instead of returning fire out there and getting themselves carded with monotonous regularity. We control this domain. I was seeing a lot of our guys baited and punished for retaliation while some real fanciful and repetitive myths out there were left intact. The thread isn't here for us to have a whinge. It is here so we know exactly who is full of crap out there and to store their little contentions away.

We know we are going to get trolled and despite your assertions, it has nothing to do with what our supporters put out on other boards. In the majority of cases, even the ones that are trolling other clubs had just had enough of taking it all the time, so just decided to fight fire with fire.

I am sure Bay 13ers will have a laugh about it but really it just shows that they are watching and that it is one thread that they can not enter and derail en masse as they do not control this environment.

For someone to enter this thread and point to trolling by any Carlton posters on another board as being the reason why Carlton supporters cop it so much on BigFooty, simply highlights a lack of awareness of what is around them. Carlton will be trolled unmercifully regardless of whether we comment or not and have done for years. They are a hated club for many reasons, and years of sound logic being totally ignored have told me this will not change.

Many many groups of fans on BF have been incredibly arrogant so that is not a reason. You might find a couple of teams hate Hawthorn so their supporters might seek them out, the same with the Eagles, the Saints etc, but everyone hates Carlton and Collingwood but with Carlton we have a recent lack of success, Visy, Pratt, salary cap issues etc, to keep people entertained for hours.

Nooo, this thread is not here to be all insular and have a sook. It is here as a watchdog, to record the idiocy of some posters for all time, it is here to get up their nose that they can't do anything about the thread, can't delete it, can't hit it with inane ramblings in numbers, can't refute anything with nonsense. If they want to come in and defend themselves, they have to do so articulately. That challenges a few to come out of their comfort zone for sure.

Play by numbers, you say to worry about our own conduct to create less backlash. In your 12 months as a registered user, have you noticed endless Dick Pratt/Visy threads, endless threads about how we must be cheating the cap again, endless threads about chasing players? Every single thread turns into a 'cheats, tankers etc' shitfight. No amount of reasoning, explanations or articulate argument i.e decent conduct has done one thing to change any of those threads. There has not been ONE single thread on a board outside of the Carlton board, where our culture has not been denigrated, whether it just be signing Robert Harvey, re-signing Fev, building new facilities, looking at international rookies, you name it. Every single issue involving the Carlton Football Club, an aspect of our past is weaved into it to make it be considered on topic. This is regardless of our conduct within those threads.

I'm sorry but you only see what you want to see and you are sadly mistaken in your theories.

This is no whingefest, this is calculated storing away in the memory banks.

We decided quite a while ago that nobody was interested in the truth about Carlton issues so we would accept the vitriol and turn it to our advantage. In a sense, I am not sure you guys are in here to provide some helpful advice. You are in here because this thread is a little irking and insulting to others and its existence makes you incredulous ... probably the same way the repetitive childish derailing of every Carlton thread elsewhere does.

I think we will keep it for the moment.

So...anyone manage to get through that wall of text?

 

[Blue Dawn]

Re: Opposition obsession thread

Bloke ain't kidding, pal.

My head hurts!

 

[Stronzo]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

To the recent interlopers, if you had taken the time to read the opening post, you will know that the purpose of this thread was to keep the natives in here returning fire to some of the plethora of obsessed opposition supporters instead of returning fire out there and getting themselves carded with monotonous regularity. We control this domain. I was seeing a lot of our guys baited and punished for retaliation while some real fanciful and repetitive myths out there were left intact. The thread isn't here for us to have a whinge. It is here so we know exactly who is full of crap out there and to store their little contentions away.

We know we are going to get trolled and despite your assertions, it has nothing to do with what our supporters put out on other boards. In the majority of cases, even the ones that are trolling other clubs had just had enough of taking it all the time, so just decided to fight fire with fire.

I am sure Bay 13ers will have a laugh about it but really it just shows that they are watching and that it is one thread that they can not enter and derail en masse as they do not control this environment.

For someone to enter this thread and point to trolling by any Carlton posters on another board as being the reason why Carlton supporters cop it so much on BigFooty, simply highlights a lack of awareness of what is around them. Carlton will be trolled unmercifully regardless of whether we comment or not and have done for years. They are a hated club for many reasons, and years of sound logic being totally ignored have told me this will not change.

Many many groups of fans on BF have been incredibly arrogant so that is not a reason. You might find a couple of teams hate Hawthorn so their supporters might seek them out, the same with the Eagles, the Saints etc, but everyone hates Carlton and Collingwood but with Carlton we have a recent lack of success, Visy, Pratt, salary cap issues etc, to keep people entertained for hours.

Nooo, this thread is not here to be all insular and have a sook. It is here as a watchdog, to record the idiocy of some posters for all time, it is here to get up their nose that they can't do anything about the thread, can't delete it, can't hit it with inane ramblings in numbers, can't refute anything with nonsense. If they want to come in and defend themselves, they have to do so articulately. That challenges a few to come out of their comfort zone for sure.

Play by numbers, you say to worry about our own conduct to create less backlash. In your 12 months as a registered user, have you noticed endless Dick Pratt/Visy threads, endless threads about how we must be cheating the cap again, endless threads about chasing players? Every single thread turns into a 'cheats, tankers etc' shitfight. No amount of reasoning, explanations or articulate argument i.e decent conduct has done one thing to change any of those threads. There has not been ONE single thread on a board outside of the Carlton board, where our culture has not been denigrated, whether it just be signing Robert Harvey, re-signing Fev, building new facilities, looking at international rookies, you name it. Every single issue involving the Carlton Football Club, an aspect of our past is weaved into it to make it be considered on topic. This is regardless of our conduct within those threads.

I'm sorry but you only see what you want to see and you are sadly mistaken in your theories.

This is no whingefest, this is calculated storing away in the memory banks.

We decided quite a while ago that nobody was interested in the truth about Carlton issues so we would accept the vitriol and turn it to our advantage. In a sense, I am not sure you guys are in here to provide some helpful advice. You are in here because this thread is a little irking and insulting to others and its existence makes you incredulous ... probably the same way the repetitive childish derailing of every Carlton thread elsewhere does.

I think we will keep it for the moment.

You changed the title of the thread to suit your argument.

What would you describe that bolded paragraph as?

Anyway, I'll leave you guys to it. Good luck with Warnock, he'll be a gun.

 

[Aussie Joe]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

Seven pages in this thread an no one has mentioned JeffDunne's colleague The Fireman!!!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

You changed the title of the thread to suit your argument.

No, I changed it after being reminded that some people sook about being labelled obsessed. The title popped into my head and I used it. What can I say, I am a wild and crazy guy.

What would you describe that bolded paragraph as?

Truth?

How is suggesting that you can not have a reasoned discussion about Carlton on the rest of BigFooty sooking? I mean, I know in the Bay 13 world, suggesting that a good player is a dud, suggesting that Visy pay all the wages, suggesting that we are all soulless and corrupt, is all good sport, but believe it or not, these contentions are not the answer to everything Carlton related.

Shock horror again, some people come to discussion forums to .... wait for it .... discuss. Whoa, outdated concept I know but there you have it. The whole of BigFooty does not have to replicate the actual ground where you get pissed and slag off at each other. That is why separate forums were created.

I would think sooking would be to sit idly by and complain about something but not do anything about it. I reckon we are being proactive here. I also think that it irks opposition supporters who enjoy the sport of trolling and derailing threads, that we can discuss them without them being able to fall back on what they are comfortable with. In fact, despite any current bleatings elsewhere on the site about this thread and false bravado along the 'sooks' line, I reckon it grates on their nerves big time. Suck it up boys and girls.

If anybody mentioned here would like the opportunity to come on to this board and articulate their arguments properly, I will ensure they are not bullied or abused. If they can't articulate their arguments, then what does that say about them?

Anyway, I'll leave you guys to it. Good luck with Warnock, he'll be a gun.

And you with #24. Obligatory parting pleasantries.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Re: Opposition obsession thread

If you couldn't see how this thread would end up then you are very foolish. You've basically given people a reason to vent and being BF they were always going to be throwing in cheap little comments.

I'm not stressed. They are going to vent in any number of places and a moderator must moderate. A moderator will also try to steer the discussion to where it needs to go.

I expect we will get over the top venting, I allow for it, and I allow for having to post warnings to keep it on track.

I am not quite sure of your purpose here however. I don't remember ringing personnel asking for an advisor. Don't expect to be paid.

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

How is suggesting that you can not have a reasoned discussion about Carlton on the rest of BigFooty sooking?

Is that a criticism of how other boards are moderated?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

Is that a criticism of how other boards are moderated?

You tell me. I'm just stating a fact, that every single Carlton thread turns into a culture, tanking, Visy, salary cap type slagfest, even if the subject matter did not warrant it.

Speaking of obsession JD, did you really raise my name in an effort to shut down mediumsizered? I haven't even got involved in that particular argument and I am on your mind.

What a load of absolute, first-class, ODN certified, bullshit Carlton spin.

Judd was made captain because your previous captain was an embarrassment, your vice captain by his own admission couldn't get off the piss, Fevola was too busy pissing on everthing including his own club, and it would have been utterly ridiculous to have Bryce "I hope you're not Stephen Milne" Gibbs leading Judd into battle.

You were a little inaccurate however. Stevo was off the piss but had conceded in his first couple of years at Carlton, he partied too hard. MS saying that Fev was unworthy does not become wrong just because he didn't expand on Fev's misdemeanours. Lance was an embarrassment BECAUSE of his injuries. Believe it or not, he once was a fine player. You then throw in the Bryce Gibbs insult for good measure despite Bryce demonstrating numerous times since he has eyes for the ball and much courage.

In a way you show the reasoning for this thread. Harvey's appointment can not even be discussed in a positive light without Visy being brought up. The thread sufficiently stuffed up, no reasoned discussion to be had, therefore we discuss it here and highlight the examples of exactly what we are talking about.

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

ODN, you're Bigfooty's equivalent of Shane Warne (on the field)

The king of spin - hence why I used the description.

Need only look at you justification for Lance in that last post.

Do you really want me to debate the rest of that post here?

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

You tell me. I'm just stating a fact, that every single Carlton thread turns into a culture, tanking, Visy, salary cap type slagfest, even if the subject matter did not warrant it.

And that would be different to other clubs? Are you seriously trying to tell me that a St Kilda thread on the main board doesn't get trolled?

In fact . . . and this will probably get me in trouble here . . . but one of your fellow mods is one of the worst offenders with his "what about your club" replies (which last time I checked was against the rules on the main board). He never fails, every Carlton thread on the main board he enters it's his standard reply.

I'd probably even go as far to suggest many of Bigfooty's mods are some of the worst offenders on the main board. I could give you a dozen examples just with threads on the first page.

What does amaze me, and this thread is a good example, is why Carlton supporters are so precious. It is why people troll you. Christ you just have to look at the obsession Carlton supporters have with me (yeah, yeah, pot/kette/etc). I have been trolled by Carlton supporters on NFL forums, St Kilda forums, hell even Wikipedia has been given a go. I would guess any search on any Carlton forum with the word "JeffDunne" would get results - and I don't post on any of them (this one excluded).

People post to get a reaction. You'd hope that the reaction people are after is positive - but we know that's not how it works. People bait to get a reaction and Carlton supporters never fail to give them that reaction to even the most moronic of trolls. It is why Bay 13 is full of Carlton threads.

If you want to stop the trolling maybe you should be encouraging your fellow supporters to ignore them and let the threads disappear rather than attempting to give them trolling material to fight back.

Just a thought.

 

[len_jet]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

And that would be different to other clubs? Are you seriously trying to tell me that a St Kilda thread on the main board doesn't get trolled?

In fact . . . and this will probably get me in trouble here . . . but one of your fellow mods is one of the worst offenders with his "what about your club" replies (which last time I checked was against the rules on the main board). He never fails, every Carlton thread on the main board he enters it's his standard reply.

I'd probably even go as far to suggest many of Bigfooty's mods are some of the worst offenders on the main board. I could give you a dozen examples just with threads on the first page.

What does amaze me, and this thread is a good example, is why Carlton supporters are so precious. It is why people troll you. Christ you just have to look at the obsession Carlton supporters have with me (yeah, yeah, pot/kette/etc). I have been trolled by Carlton supporters on NFL forums, St Kilda forums, hell even Wikipedia has been given a go. I would guess any search on any Carlton forum with the word "JeffDunne" would get results - and I don't post on any of them (this one excluded).

People post to get a reaction. You'd hope that the reaction people are after is positive - but we know that's not how it works. People bait to get a reaction and Carlton supporters never fail to give them that reaction to even the most moronic of trolls. It is why Bay 13 is full of Carlton threads.

If you want to stop the trolling maybe you should be encouraging your fellow supporters to ignore them and let the threads disappear rather than attempting to give them trolling material to fight back.

Just a thought.

and we are precious... sheesh!

that post is one of the most hypocritical pieces of jargon I have ever read... a minute or two of my life I will never get back!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

And that would be different to other clubs? Are you seriously trying to tell me that a St Kilda thread on the main board doesn't get trolled?

Not nearly as much and nowhere near as many threads.

In fact . . . and this will probably get me in trouble here . . . but one of your fellow mods is one of the worst offenders with his "what about your club" replies (which last time I checked was against the rules on the main board). He never fails, every Carlton thread on the main board he enters it's his standard reply.

Probably wouldn't need to do it if people were entering innocent looking threads and using cheats, Visy, etc as a response. There is no good news for Carlton that is not turned into a troll. If Fev re-signs and someone mentions we must be cheating the salary cap, it is considered on topic as it relates to finances. We know that the intention is not to keep it on topic however. If someone accuses Carlton of something that another club has done, I see no issue with addressing the Carlton component while drawing analogies to other clubs. Surely if a person attacks Carlton in an less than reasonable way, they can also explain why it is any different to what their club has done. You see, we know that people are hypocrites while posting in Carlton threads, but the only vehicle we have to draw attention to that is in that thread. If we wanted to show a double standard to you for instance, if we can't do it in one of the many many Carlton threads, we either have to wait for a St Kilda thread or start our own. Surely to go out of our way to start a Saints thread that has nothing to do with Carlton, is trolling off the highest order.

So in essence, you expect us to only address negatives directed at Carlton, and never expose hypocrisy, to not be labelled a troll.

Trolls are uninvited generally JD. You can hardly claim you are being trolled when you are the one eliciting the response. You did so in the most recent thread by throwing in the Visy comment, you can hardly take the high moral ground thereafter. If MS bangs on about St Kilda when nobody has fired a shot at him or his club first, then he would be trolling.

I'd probably even go as far to suggest many of Bigfooty's mods are some of the worst offenders on the main board. I could give you a dozen examples just with threads on the first page.

Just an example of posters wanting exclusive trolling rights with nobody taking them to task IMO.

What does amaze me, and this thread is a good example, is why Carlton supporters are so precious. It is why people troll you. Christ you just have to look at the obsession Carlton supporters have with me (yeah, yeah, pot/kette/etc). I have been trolled by Carlton supporters on NFL forums, St Kilda forums, hell even Wikipedia has been given a go. I would guess any search on any Carlton forum with the word "JeffDunne" would get results - and I don't post on any of them (this one excluded).

Did you earn that reputation JD? I don't troll other clubs, don't see the point, but it doesn't stop me from being trolled. You at least seem to get a kick out of the cut and thrust and firing shots at other clubs even if they didn't start it first.

People don't troll us because of threads like this. It's a cop out. How long has this thread been here? We are trolled because the club has done wrong, and nothing we ever say or do will change that. So, we either just accept that we will never have a valid point in the eyes of the rest of BigFooty or we mess with their heads a little bit.

People post to get a reaction. You'd hope that the reaction people are after is positive - but we know that's not how it works. People bait to get a reaction and Carlton supporters never fail to give them that reaction to even the most moronic of trolls. It is why Bay 13 is full of Carlton threads.

There are very few Carlton posters on Bay 13, yet so many threads. There are far more representatives from some other clubs but not nearly so many threads designed to bait them. Bay 13 seldom draws in Carlton posters looking for a discussion. We know what it is and steer clear mostly. A troll can consider himself successful if others jump in and agree, not just because he gets responses from the target audience. The Bay 13 brigade would sustain itself without a single Carlton supporter in there, so the idea that it is our responses that creates the threads is incorrect.

If you want to stop the trolling maybe you should be encouraging your fellow supporters to ignore them and let the threads disappear rather than attempting to give them trolling material to fight back.

They won't ignore them and they won't stop. We either let people tell lies about the club and let people think the lies are true via our silence or we find a way around it.

There is a thread on our board about Silvagni and him being a snitch. It seems many Carlton supporters listened to some falsehoods way back in 2002 and still believe them to this day. Others have then read what they believe and assume it must be true. All lies are true eventually if left unchallenged.

Your suggestion that we just let them have their fun and don't respond is just an open invitation to rewrite truths and expose the next generation to those new truths.

I'm sorry if this thread poses a problem for you. If anybody is in it that doesn't deserve to be in it, then they can plead their case and I will look at the evidence and remove them if necessary.

As long as personal abuse is not contained in the thread, we are only reposting what has been written. I'm not sure if we are being precious if other people are protesting the fact that we are doing it. Food for thought.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

ODN, you're Bigfooty's equivalent of Shane Warne (on the field)

The king of spin - hence why I used the description.

Need only look at you justification for Lance in that last post.

Do you really want me to debate the rest of that post here?

Feel free to debate it. Lance was an embarrassing captain because of a degenerative knee condition. Previously he lead by example onfield. Off field, yes he was lazy and unwilling to get in shape most years. In front of the media, he was poor. It was onfield where it counted and Lance was a backline general, who talked a lot on the field. We had a lack of leaders and he was the only choice at the time.

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

ODN, can I ask a simple question . . . why do think Carlton are trolled so much lately?

(and FWIW, I agree with you that Carlton cop it more than any other team of late)

This hasn't always been the case. West Coast, Collingwood & even St Kilda have had their time "in the sun" when it comes to BF & trolling. It can't be bacuse of the past, it can't even be because of your spoons because during that period you weren't trolled like you are now. The amount of trolling of Carlton is higher now than it's ever been.

Now I'm sure some people will use the "fear" excuse but I don't see that either. Maybe last year when Judd came on board but I don't see that now.

As for Lance, I really can't be bothered. If you think he was a good captain and wasn't an embarrassment then I doubt anything I say will change your mind on that. I can't remember the last time a captain was benched for being too fat but you seem to think that's an off-field matter.

 

[sherb]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

Well, there you have it.

We can`t even post on our own board without having to put up with the bile and 100% pure hatred from the biggest and most consistent Carlton-hating troll.

It appears that endlessly druelling (sic) on the main board isn`t good enough for the individual in question, he has to bring his obnoxious posts here.

Great.

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

So I take it you've never posted on another teams board sherb?

 

[thylacine60]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

Well, there you have it.

We can`t even post on our own board without having to put up with the bile and 100% pure hatred from the biggest and most consistent Carlton-hating troll.

It appears that endlessly druelling (sic) on the main board isn`t good enough for the individual in question, he has to bring his obnoxious posts here.

Great.

Don't magnify this self-absorbed try-hard's faux reputation. It's as insignificant as any other negative, obsessed idiot. Enjoys discussing itself and is validated solely by the amount of reaction it can generate. No better or worse than any other pathetic no-lifer on here. Plenty of Noobs create more mayhem whilst making more sense than it actually.

 

[Stronzo]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

And you with #24. Obligatory parting pleasantries.

Indeed.

I really could go on, but I would not what to get carded.

Well, there you have it.

We can`t even post on our own board without having to put up with the bile and 100% pure hatred from the biggest and most consistent Carlton-hating troll.

It appears that endlessly druelling (sic) on the main board isn`t good enough for the individual in question, he has to bring his obnoxious posts here.

Great.

Without this thread being created and someone naming him he wouldn't be here.

 

[len_jet]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

So I take it you've never posted on another teams board sherb?

I think you might be struggling with some definitions here...

Posting is different to trolling... I am sure Sherb has posted on other another team board unlike your troll of this thread.

Stronzo... just because he was named does not give him an invitation to come and troll... if he feels so over whelmed with the deep discussion about his personal hatred for the Carlton Football club let him battle the good fight on the St Kilda board where I might add, any mention of salary cap breaches would just ooze hypocrisy... along with "stealing" other clubs talent... (king, both gardiners, fiora, powell, Ray etc)

 

[sherb]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

So I take it you've never posted on another teams board sherb?

Yes, I have.

But never as someone who has endlessly trolled that club to the tune of multiple thousands of posts because of some deep-seated and apparently irreversible pathological hatred.

I have tried to show a bit of respect and class when I post on other clubs` boards.

Whether you like it or not, your sheer volume of posts on BigFooty about Carlton, and the sentiments you have regularly expressed in those posts, means you are quite rightly viewed as a troll.

I don`t go onto a club`s board either as a troll, or to troll. However, you are on the Carlton board most definitely as the former and quite possibly also the latter.

But that`s fine, if the mods here are happy for you to post here we will have to grin and bear it. But as I implied before, it would be nice to have a place on BigFooty where Blues fans are able to post about the club they support free of your bitterness and hatred.

Crikey, even Captain Integrity (aka The Fireman, the man who has never lied in his life) has enough class not to come here and post.

 

[len_jet]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

Yes, I have.

But never as someone who has endlessly trolled that club to the tune of multiple thousands of posts because of some deep-seated and apparently irreversible pathological hatred.

I have tried to show a bit of respect and class when I post on other clubs` boards.

Whether you like it or not, your sheer volume of posts on BigFooty about Carlton, and the sentiments you have regularly expressed in those posts, means you are quite rightly viewed as a troll.

I don`t go onto a club`s board either as a troll, or to troll. However, you are on the Carlton board most definitely as the former and quite possibly also the latter.

But that`s fine, if the mods here are happy for you to post here we will have to grin and bear it. But as I implied before, it would be nice to have a place on BigFooty where Blues fans are able to post about the club they support free of your bitterness and hatred.

Crikey, even Captain Integrity (aka The Fireman, the man who has never lied in his life) has enough class not to come here and post.

JeffDunne = Andrew Bolt = Robyn Riley = Feminist Hypocrites...

 

[Stronzo]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

Stronzo... just because he was named does not give him an invitation to come and troll...

Sure doesn't help though. Trolls will always attack when they see a weakness and they know they're getting to you.

Best way to deal with a troll is to ignore them.

 

[sherb]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

Without this thread being created and someone naming him he wouldn't be here.

Riiiiight.

So because this thread was created and his name was mentioned, he had no other option but to post here.

In fact, all it did was give him an excuse - unfortunately - it didn`t force him to do anything.

 

[len_jet]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

Sure doesn't help though. Trolls will always attack when they see a weakness and they know they're getting to you.

Best way to deal with a troll is to ignore them.

Ahh yes but then the sense of victory is always evident with the silence treatment...

catch 22... damned if you do, damned if you dont situation...

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Opposition Hall of Shame

I have tried to show a bit of respect and class when I post on other clubs` boards.

As do I.

I've never been banned from any board let alone a team board.

However, you are on the Carlton board most definitely as the former and quite possibly also the latter.

Just out of interest, what do you think constitutes a troll?

But that`s fine, if the mods here are happy for you to post here . . .

If they ask me to leave I will.

But as I implied before, it would be nice to have a place on BigFooty where Blues fans are able to post about the club they support free of your bitterness and hatred.

A bit melodramatic don't you think?

I rarely post here and when I do it's in a thread like this.

Crikey, even Captain Integrity (aka The Fireman, the man who has never lied in his life) has enough class not to come here and post.

He has posted on this board IIRC. Pretty sure he has.