Traded Orazio Fantasia [traded with #73 to Port for #29 and 2021 R3]

Who won this trade?

  • Essendon

    Votes: 10 66.7%
  • Port Adelaide

    Votes: 5 33.3%

  • Total voters
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there's a reason why dons fans rate him so highly and looking at your stats won't clear that up.

That reason is because Brian Taylor is obsessed with him. The way Brian Taylor reacts to him you'd think he was as good as Cyril Rioli in his prime.

Orazio is an average player with a fun name--- Essendon fans overrate their own, but he's not THAT good that he's worthy of a first round pick.
 
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Jade Gresham is 21 (two years younger than Orazio Fanasia) and is averaging 22 disposals a game in 2019 and 17 disposals a game in 2018.

By this comparison Fantasia just looks even weaker-- I think Essendon would be lucky to get a 2nd Round pick for him at this stage IMO.

You completely missed his point


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I'll email you a medal.

Amongst your stats have you looked at effectiveness? Matches won with/without him in the team?

there's a reason why dons fans rate him so highly and looking at your stats won't clear that up.

And the bolded is pure bulls**t. You can tell me that a player is s**t if he only has 6 touches, ignoring that those touches may all end up as goals.

You are exploring grade 3 level stats. I remember looking up ranking scores in the paper when i was young. It was really fun.

I keep telling people that SC stats are arguably the closest pointer to a player we have. His ave of 66 is severely hampered by injury effected games (19, 32, 31). In his dominant year of 207 he averaged 83. That’s closer to why we rate him so highly


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That reason is because Brian Taylor is obsessed with him. The way Brian Taylor reacts to him you'd think he was as good as Cyril Rioli in his prime.

Orazio is an average player with a fun name--- Essendon fans overrate their own, but he's not THAT good that he's worthy of a first round pick.

Lol


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What other stats?

Effectiveness ? That’s not a stat.

Games won/lost with him in the side isn’t a stat relevant to your claim.

Awesome.

If we are trying to establish a value of a player, you’d take into account effectiveness.

Unless you aren’t just trying to prove that you’re good at researching stats then mate, you are my guy and I’ll be recommending you to everyone in need.
 

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We were discussing dappers claim Fantasia gets up the ground and how the stats don’t reflect that not fantasias worth to a side

Can you not read that I said my “quite a bit” was less than you’d taken it for?

I have conceded your point 3 posts ago.

How many medals do you want from me man?
 

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In: Orazio, Ess 2019/3
Out: Carl 2019/2, Crows 2019/2

GWS:
In: Carl 2019/2, Crows 2019/2 (more points)
Out: Ess 2019/1

Ess:
In: Ess 2019/1
Out: Orazio, 2019/3
 
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Awesome.

If we are trying to establish a value of a player, you’d take into account effectiveness.

Unless you aren’t just trying to prove that you’re good at researching stats then mate, you are my guy and I’ll be recommending you to everyone in need.

Where is this stat for “effectiveness”. Please list it. And how does it relate to your up the ground claim?


Can you not read that I said my “quite a bit” was less than you’d taken it for?

I have conceded your point 3 posts ago.

How many medals do you want from me man?

So what are you saying? You were wrong? You worded it wrong? What did you mean to say?

You don’t get to move the goalposts on your original claim 5 posts later, while simultaneously saying I’m wrong. Especially while trying to claim some moral high ground.


It’s pretty simple. You claimed Fantasia went up the ground quite a bit, I pointed out that isn’t reflected anywhere in his stats. You argued over that saying I wasn’t reading the right stats. Then later are mysteriously shifting your “quite a bit” statement to something unspecified.
 

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Where is this stat for “effectiveness”. Please list it. And how does it relate to your up the ground claim?




So what are you saying? You were wrong? You worded it wrong? What did you mean to say?

You don’t get to move the goalposts on your original claim 5 posts later, while simultaneously saying I’m wrong. Especially while trying to claim some moral high ground.


It’s pretty simple. You claimed Fantasia went up the ground quite a bit, I pointed out that isn’t reflected anywhere in his stats. You argued over that saying I wasn’t reading the right stats. Then later are mysteriously shifting your “quite a bit” statement to something unspecified.

Mate I’m conceding everything to get you to leave me alone.

You’ve taken my words on a journey I didn’t think possible.

My point was he has more value than just a forward pocket. That’s it. Believe it or not I don’t really care.
 

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Hang on philthy05 where did I claim moral high ground LOL

What are my moral high ground stats? Am I effective?
 

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I would do Ollie Wines for Fantasia straight up. I know that with Port just making him captain and the player needing to agree to the trade etc that it would never happen, but if i was port I would be doing what i could to facilitate it.
Wines<< Fantasia
 
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Hang on philthy05 where did I claim moral high ground LOL

What are my moral high ground stats? Am I effective?

Telling everyone you conceded some point ages ago when you didn’t while blasting me for not disproving the point you’ve apparently conceded is trying to take the moral high ground.

Also that last line isn’t the sick burn you think it is when you’ve asked me repeatedly to look up fantasias effectiveness stats. I’ve only given you an eternity to point out what stat that is and how it supported the point (which apparently you conceded but still want to argue at the same time..)
 

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Telling everyone you conceded some point ages ago when you didn’t while blasting me for not disproving the point you’ve apparently conceded is trying to take the moral high ground.

Also that last line isn’t the sick burn you think it is when you’ve asked me repeatedly to look up fantasias effectiveness stats. I’ve only given you an eternity to point out what stat that is and how it supported the point (which apparently you conceded but still want to argue at the same time..)

Sorry I upset you :(
 

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Lol.

Now you’re trying to have a go at me because you didn’t like the fact I asked you to support your statement because I couldn’t see any support for it. And it’s come to you having childish digs at me.

I don’t have time for it to be honest. You know how to research effectiveness I’m sure, but it doesn’t suit you.

But you care much more about this argument than I do. I never stood a chance.

I’m pretty close to forgetting what we were talking about.
 

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Side note, port supporters are ****ed
 
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Would Essendon consider a swap for Greenwood? - maybe a swap of 2nd rounders in Essendons favor. Not that I want to lose Greenwood as he is a beast inside and can go forward and kick goals but you have to give good to get good
 
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Where is this stat for “effectiveness”. Please list it. And how does it relate to your up the ground claim?

Score involvements, he creates so many scoring chains for us by pushing high up the ground and breaking a line and being creative.

Not having a great year this year with 5.4 this year but an inconsistent forward line will add to that. But averaged 6.6 a game in 17 & 18. Which put him 48th and 28th in the competition respectively, with almost exclusively great midfielders and forward averaging more than that. Which he's done in a team that hasn't been huge scorers or had dominant wins to pad his stats.

For context Charlie Cameron is averaging 6.4 this year and averaged 5.3 the year he left the Crows.
 
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