OT: A black day for our nation

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I voted for Labor. With Howard ( a puppet government for the USA) :- Higher tertiary fees, Petrol price increases etc. Today is indeed a very sad day. :(
 

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#53
voodoo_86 said:
And how was Latham planning on keeping the world oil prices down?
The damages had already been done by Howard and Bush. Just hope that Saudi Arabia, which accounts for 29 percent of Opec production can export more oils.
 

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#54
spindoctor said:
So the sheep have re-elected a lying, duplicitous, brown-nosing piece of scum to our leadership.

I wonder, do we have a voting majority that actually enjoys being lied to or something? Howard has got increasingly more arrogant with every term, and now we will pay for it. Lies spill from his mouth like water from a full-on tap. He thinks he knows more than our best military and intelligence personnel. Bush says jump, Johnny says 'how high'. His economic management is far overrated, and he has benefited from a lot of Keating's reforms.

I am not embarrassed to say I preferenced Liberals ahead of Labor at the last election, because Beazley was a spineless weed with no policies and no direction, but I think it is fair to say now that I was wrong and Howard's third term was a black time for our nation. A time when we locked up innocent women and children in concentration camps. When we brutally invaded a sovereign country for purely political purposes and still tried to lie about our motives even when they were exposed as fallacy. A time when we failed to stand up against the true international criminals like the government of Israel and pathetically followed Bush's conga line like a little dog on a leash. A time when we contributed to the collapse of the United Nations as an international forum for political equality. A time when we thumbed our noise at the environment and chose the pollutions of our industry over the pressing reforms of the Kyoto Treaty. A time when we brutally bent our students over in order to further commercialise our universities and restrict access to the privileged who can afford such a heavy debt burden. A time when the rights of homosexuals were further undermined by a Prime Minister who can't seem to get into his head the separation of church and state that underpins our society. A time when we further alienated ourselves from our closest neighbours and most important regional partners with our childish and narrow-minded actions.

Howard achieved that in only 3 years...what for the next 3 years? Maybe World War III? The Apocalypse.

To those who voted for Howard: shame on you.
Well said SD. The man uses fear to win. He is a cunning little operator. His use of fear in campaigns wins him votes as people are generally very reluctant for change.

In my eyes he will never go down as a great PM as he has not not been revolutionary enough. I have never forgiven him over the Republic issue. Now I am not saying everyone should have voted for us to become a republic as it is an open choice but he didn't give any good reasons not to change he used his fear campaign by saying the model being put up was the wrong model. Nothing about what would be a good model etc just scaring people on the model. No leadership there.

The thing that worries me most now is he said he was prepared to make pre-emptive strikes against other nations. If he does I hope it is on better intelligence than the WMD in Iraq.

Anyway he won so we have to put up with another three years of conservative rule. I ma sad as I believe the ALP put up great ideas for reform and an opportunity has been missed. But it is rare for Governments to lose in good economic times so the ALP was up against it. It is funny how the nation votes in Labor state Governments and Liberals federally.
 

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#55
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It is funny how the nation votes in Labor state Governments and Liberals federally.

Not for long - going by what Michael Krogger said last night: "Steve Bracks is in deep trouble"...



*just needed to have it on here once more.
 

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#56
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Ah, you've confirmed yourself as a COMPLETE idiot now.

With that rhetoric, it is you who should be moving to a dictatorship. I never said I did not accept that Howard won fair and square. What I'm saying is that it's a complete sham, a black day for our nation and that those who voted for him are fools. And I listed why it is bad for us, something none of you can seem to respond to coherently except to call me 'anti-democratic'. Which makes no sense at all...

So what, by your logic Labor should sit on its hands for another 3 years and not say a word against the government, because Howard won? You stupid, pathetic little man. That's what your logic amounts to. You are saying I shouldn't complain because it was a democratic result? The great thing about democracy is we CAN complain, and it is the thing that keeps politics alive (well on life support in this country anyway)...the ability to criticise, debate and complain.

You and your filthy, scumful kind who think non-Liberal supporters should shut up because they didn't win exemplify how far to the right the Liberals have moved, and how quickly they're trying to take away our freedoms in the name of 'security'.

You're a f**cknut Mead, not just in football I've realised, but in life.
I have searched the net high and low and can find no rule or law, introduced by Howard or anyone, that says they must have the same opinion as you SD.

Opinions are great, we should all have them and they should all be different, otherwise we WILL become sheep.

Stick to the debating of your issues, which is healthy. Stop the pointless abuse of anyone who dares think outside the small box you live in.
 

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Long live demcracy, and my right to vote. And may our constitution protect this right.
I believe in democracy ------ .
So we live in a democracy? You discuss Australia's constitution (no where is there a mention of a prime minister or for that matter a King (God help us if Charles becomes our HOS).

There can be no election for our head-of-state to be appointed by the Australian people to the highest office in our land. One would need to be born into a special family in England, a foreigner to our country, of German decent).

A democracy for Australia is far from complete!
 

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voodoo_86 said:
I hope you have a lot of pity to go round, the majority have spoken.
A majority that is clearly greedy, gullible, intolerant or any combination of the three! I feel no pity in that! I feel absolute DISGUST!!
 

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A majority that is clearly greedy, gullible, intolerant or any combination of the three! I feel no pity in that! I feel absolute DISGUST!!

What about smart? Could even say highly intelligent? But no - your opinion is all that matters, right?
 

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Roadrunner said:
I voted for Labor. With Howard ( a puppet government for the USA) :- Higher tertiary fees, Petrol price increases etc. Today is indeed a very sad day. :(
1) I guess you're thinking of yourself with tertiary fees. Someone else should be subsidising your education eh!

2) Oil prices are a result of increased demand (mainly China) and problems in Russia. Not a thing Howard or Latham can do about that, however your local state Labour party who is reaping extra tax in on the back of oil prices could reduce the tax to a flat rate and Petrol prices would drop.

3) etc, well just like Ltham, you hit a wall. Because there's not much other than good to say about John Howard. You can peddle the bullcrap that he's a liar but it's hardly an alternative policy. And Australians have clearly said now that he is not any more a liar than the next politician.
 

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#62
Funkalicous said:
I really couldn't care about the countries controversial issues, nor do i mind John Howards lies.

Fact is, we're quickly becoming the next superpower of the world.
I think too much sun for this individual on the Gold Coast.......
 

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With a comment like that you are obviously a very intelligent person. So why would you think a lying, brown nosing, scumbag like Howard is a great Prime Minister?
Because what John Howard and the Liberal party stands for is what I believe in more than any other party
 

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catfan29 said:
A victory for all educated Australians (and those so called intelletcs this does not apply to you, suck sh|t)
Yeah you're right about the educated people voting Liberal. I had a bogan telling me last night why we had to vote Liberal: "Well we had to vote for Howard with all the meetings and stuff with Bush going on now an that, cant change government with all that going on".

Can't argue with articulate reasoning.
 

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Yeah you're right about the educated people voting Liberal. I had a bogan telling me last night why we had to vote Liberal: "Well we had to vote for Howard with all the meetings and stuff with Bush going on now an that, cant change government with all that going on".

Can't argue with articulate reasoning.
HAHAHAHAHHAHA, sounds funny. I guess even the 'Bogons' know when to get on a winning team
 

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#69
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Because what John Howard and the Liberal party stands for is what I believe in more than any other party
Ok domestically speaking i can see your view, low interest rates, good economy yep your spot on.

Do you stand for invading another country based on a lie?

Or sucking up to another country because our country may benefit from it?

I know what your answer will be, " yes because saddam was an evil person who had to go".

Of course stick by your party,but you cant possibly support every choice it makes.

So if john howard said as part of his re-election if he got in that he would close down geelong football club lol, i guess you would have a hell of a choice on your hands?
 

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Ok domestically speaking i can see your view, low interest rates, good economy yep your spot on.

Do you stand for invading another country based on a lie?

Or sucking up to another country because our country may benefit from it?

I know what your answer will be, " yes because saddam was an evil person who had to go".

Of course stick by your party,but you cant possibly support every choice it makes.

So if john howard said as part of his re-election if he got in that he would close down geelong football club lol, i guess you would have a hell of a choice on your hands?
If John Howard said that I would disagree with him. And i agree every choice he makes can not be supported but I feel that I would support a lot more Liberal policy than Labor policy

On Iraq, Australia had to follow the lead of the US to ensure that if an attack was to occur on Australian soil the biggest military force in the world would be there to help us
 

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On Iraq, Australia had to follow the lead of the US to ensure that if an attack was to occur on Australian soil the biggest military force in the world would be there to help us
Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but the US wouldn't give a stuff, unless there was something they would get out of it.
 

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If John Howard said that I would disagree with him. And i agree every choice he makes can not be supported but I feel that I would support a lot more Liberal policy than Labor policy

On Iraq, Australia had to follow the lead of the US to ensure that if an attack was to occur on Australian soil the biggest military force in the world would be there to help us
Like mantis said, it wouldnt surprise me at all if the u.s turned its back on us, invasion comes knocking on our door, im sure the u.s would want no part of that.

And like you said we need help thats correct.

See its interesting because from what the blueboy fan said, he made us sound like a world powerhouse when in reality we cant fight a battle without the u.s.

Makes you think sometimes.
 
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