OT - English 101 - Bias versus biased

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melbournemartin

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And that. It's like tryhard formalism. Like 'myself' instead of 'me'. Oh, and real estate agents who don't know how to use 'comprise'.

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It's ****ing hopeless.

If someone forgets an apostrophe on "it's" or uses "who" when it should be "whom", I can accept that.

But when people try to sound sophisticated and say "Join myself...." I just feel like punching them in the face. It's the REFLEXIVE ****ing pronoun.

I would like people to fill out this little quiz.

1) Sally went to the shop with [I, me, myself].
2) [I, me, myself] wants Sally in the sack.
3) Sally got [I, me, myself] drunk.
4) I made [I, me, myself] horny.
5) Sally and [I, me, myself] went to her bedroom.
6) Sally undressed [her, herself].
6) Sally got tangled so I helped to undress [her, herself].

There, go nuts people.
 

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What annoys me is when people get all self righteous on an internet forum. There are standards that we like people to meet but at the end of the day there are 12 year olds that use this site as well.
 

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What annoys me is when people get all self righteous on an internet forum. Sure their are standards that we like people to meet but at the end of the day there are 12 year olds that use this site as well.
That's why we get pissed off.

A lot of the time the posts are so badly worded that they have a different meaning to what the poster meant.
 

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The following is a quote from the 'At the bar' column by Mark Robinson and Daryl Timms in the Herald Sun

Back in their day, Diesel and Feathers, never left the ground. I couldn't imagine Diesel taking to kindly to taking a breather.
He never took kindly too much, Diesel. Just ask Rhys-Jones.

Terrible use of to/too/two by both of them.
 

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You don't need to define them differently. They carry the same meaning - but one is a noun (Bias) and one is a past tense form of a verb (biased), functioning as an adjective. In short, you can have/hold a bias, but you are biased towards/against something, or have a biased view. These problems you are describing is one that is typical of a society that doesn't study grammar and mostly learns language from speaking and imitating others. Things that sound similar are often substituted for each other. A common mistake is, "He should of done this" instead of, "he should have done this".

It's annoying but I can promise you it will never change because we don't learn English in Australia from a grammatical perspective. Also, people are always inventing new words and it's become quite uncool to point out people's mistakes. Languages in Europe don't suffer this problem much at all because they learn their languages much more technically and thoroughly. The fact that they do also means they aren't inventing words and usages nearly as much - thereby preserving their language much better. If we used a time machine to move a hundred years into the future, it's likely that we would all have trouble understanding English. We just screw around with it too much. It's a fashion statement to be making things up all the time.
 

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That one isn't so bad, I mean for all intensive purposes, you know what they are actually trying to say!
Yeah it's in the "mild cringe" category.

Last night I was playing Counter-Strike and I kept killing one guy so he started abusing me (I was wallhacking but that's not the point). He then used 'your' incorrectly so I corrected him, as you do when you want to bait a 12 year old. He then ranted about how they're the same word. Oh, humor was had people!
 

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Us Aussies seem to have many grammar problems..

one common one on big footy is

i.e. It would "OF" been good instead of it would "HAVE" been good

I seen this the other day instead of I saw this
 

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You don't need to define them differently. They carry the same meaning - but one is a noun (Bias) and one is a past tense form of a verb (biased), functioning as an adjective. In short, you can have/hold a bias, but you are biased towards/against something, or have a biased view. These problems you are describing is one that is typical of a society that doesn't study grammar and mostly learns language from speaking and imitating others. Things that sound similar are often substituted for each other. A common mistake is, "He should of done this" instead of, "he should have done this".

It's annoying but I can promise you it will never change because we don't learn English in Australia from a grammatical perspective. Also, people are always inventing new words and it's become quite uncool to point out people's mistakes. Languages in Europe don't suffer this problem much at all because they learn their languages much more technically and thoroughly. The fact that they do also means they aren't inventing words and usages nearly as much - thereby preserving their language much better. If we used a time machine to move a hundred years into the future, it's likely that we would all have trouble understanding English. We just screw around with it too much. It's a fashion statement to be making things up all the time.
English teaching is appalling. They try to thrust adult texts onto students at a young age and expect empathy for concepts like divorce and adultery and such, but neglect to teach based grammar.

You'd have thought that adverbs never existed!
 

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It's ****ing hopeless.

If someone forgets an apostrophe on "it's" or uses "who" when it should be "whom", I can accept that.

But when people try to sound sophisticated and say "Join myself...." I just feel like punching them in the face. It's the REFLEXIVE ****ing pronoun.

I would like people to fill out this little quiz.

1) Sally went to the shop with [I, me, myself].
2) [I, me, myself] wants Sally in the sack.
3) Sally got [I, me, myself] drunk.
4) I made [I, me, myself] horny.
5) Sally and [I, me, myself] went to her bedroom.
6) Sally undressed [her, herself].
6) Sally got tangled so I helped to undress [her, herself].

There, go nuts people.
Hell yeah, poor pronoun use. I hate subject-object confusion - guarantee when you have two people as subjects or objects people have no idea, e.g. 'Her and her mum went to the shop'. Really? So you'd say 'Her went to the shop', would you? What about 'He bought a present for my brother and I'. So if it was just for you, it'd be 'He bought a present for I'. You only get away with that if you play for de West Indies.

BTW, you're a bit Smeagol in no. 2 there ;)
 

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Yeah it's in the "mild cringe" category.

Last night I was playing Counter-Strike and I kept killing one guy so he started abusing me (I was wallhacking but that's not the point). He then used 'your' incorrectly so I corrected him, as you do when you want to bait a 12 year old. He then ranted about how they're the same word. Oh, humor was had people!
Yeah, but you missed "for all intensive purposes" in Invigoration's post, so kindly exit this thread post haste :p
 

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Hell yeah, poor pronoun use. I hate subject-object confusion - guarantee when you have two people as subjects or objects people have no idea, e.g. 'Her and her mum went to the shop'. Really? So you'd say 'Her went to the shop', would you? What about 'He bought a present for my brother and I'. So if it was just for you, it'd be 'He bought a present for I'. You only get away with that if you play for de West Indies.

BTW, you're a bit Smeagol in no. 2 there ;)
Well I was reading Fellowship last night so it's not surprising.

Sometimes when I am not sure, I like to reduce the sentence. Take, for example (this one wouldn't be confusing but it illustrates my point), "My mum walked in on Sally and I"

It sounds a bit iffy but some people would seriously say that. Now reduce it to "My mum walked in on I"

Now, I reckon anyone with half a brain would know that's not right. It's therefore obvious that you should have said "My mum walked in on Sally and me", although that does sound a bit clumsy and you'd prefer "My mum walked in on me and Sally"

That method might not work all of the time but it's a decent starting point.
 
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