OT - Who will be the competitions next "super" forward?

[jo172]

Did we have Pick 4 also in 2002?

We got that amongst other things for Sugar, we then on traded it for the King!

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Did we have Pick 4 also in 2002?

It went from 4 to 2 because of Carlton being fined for salary breaches.

 

[jo172]

It went from 4 to 2 because of Carlton being fined for salary breaches.

But we never had 'pick 2'. It became pick 2 well after it was in North Melbourne's possession. If you believe the Tiges they never would of traded pick 2 for Sugar ...

 

[tribey]

Yes, recruiters are going to have good years and bad years and it's easy to stick the boot in for mistakes like Angwin, Bodey and Hewitt. But when do they ever get the credit for finding blokes like Goodwin, Hentshel and Edwards in the PSD, not to mention Truck, Bocky and Mattner in the rookie draft. It's my opinion that once you go past the top 5 picks you enter a bit of a lottery and your probably luck to get more then 1/3 players succeeding.

You make a good point.

It's why I'm such a massive wrap for Robert Shaw's legacy - doesn't get anywhere near enough credit for practically setting the club up for a decade with just two and a half seasons of canny drafting/recruiting:

Jason McCartney
Kane Johnson
Tyson Edwards
Andrew McLeod
Peter Vardy
Brent Williams
Matthew Collins
Darren Jarman
Simon Goodwin
Peter Caven
Matthew Connell
Shane Ellen
Kym Koster
Troy Bond

Now obviously Blight and Ayres played their part in grooming these players to become what they did - but the ongoing value of these guys, either in the service they actually gave to the club or what they were then worth by way of trade has been invaluable.

 

[Doc_]

Rutton.
He was recruited as a forward and has now been "schooled" by the best.

 

[Stiffy_18]

You make a good point.

It's why I'm such a massive wrap for Robert Shaw's legacy - doesn't get anywhere near enough credit for practically setting the club up for a decade with just two and a half seasons of canny drafting/recruiting:

Jason McCartney
Kane Johnson
Tyson Edwards
Andrew McLeod
Peter Vardy
Brent Williams
Matthew Collins
Darren Jarman
Simon Goodwin
Peter Caven
Matthew Connell
Shane Ellen
Kym Koster
Troy Bond

Now obviously Blight and Ayres played their part in grooming these players to become what they did - but the ongoing value of these guys, either in the service they actually gave to the club or what they were then worth by way of trade has been invaluable.

I will support you with this view till the end. Robert Shaw was integral part of getting us the talent that won us the flags. No one can deny that. He had the balls to pull of a McLeod trade when a lot of people said they couldn't have done it. Graham Cornes is the first one to admit that he wouldn't have had the courage to trade away Chris Groom and a draft pick for McLeod.

Then when you look at that list you see

Jason McCartney --> Mark Stevens
Brent Williams and Matthew Collins --> Nathan Bassett.

Robert Shaw was a GUN at recruiting talent to the football club. He just couldn't coach.

 

[Crow-mo]

FFS bode is a decent player - plenty of teams did worse things with first round picks that year.

yeah we could've drafted a kerr or whoever, we could have chosen the right lotto numbers too.

 

[ams4crows]

FFS bode is a decent player - plenty of teams did worse things with first round picks that year.

yeah we could've drafted a kerr or whoever, we could have chosen the right lotto numbers too.

says it all really!

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

DT likes wang.

Hilarious

simple, yet effective

 

[tribey]

DT likes wang.

Bresh Est. 1984™ - forever the bain [sic] of my existence.

 

[- PC -]

Bresh Est. 1984™ - forever the bain [sic] of my existence.

Raise you Barbara

Re-raise your wang

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

FFS bode is a decent player - plenty of teams did worse things with first round picks that year.

yeah we could've drafted a kerr or whoever, we could have chosen the right lotto numbers too.

We must have bad luck then. Other clubs must brilliant at the lottery becuase they seem to get alot of their high draft picks right.

Anyone that thinks Bode was worth a pick in the first 50 should never be involved in recruiting.

 

[tribey]

We must have bad luck then. Other clubs must brilliant at the lottery becuase they seem to get alot of their high draft picks right.

Anyone that thinks Bode was worth a pick in the first 50 should never be involved in recruiting.

This is the issue I have with it, chronologically speaking:

• Port Adelaide took Bode (178cm) with pick #3 of the 1998 Preseason Draft
• In his three seasons with the Power he played an intermittent 29 games for 26 goals due to form and injury, largely as a small forward.
• Port Adelaide, which had just had an appalling year culminating in a 14th placed finish with a record of 7 and a half wins then deemed him tradebait.
• We duly obliged by giving up pick #12 in the 2000 Draft for him.

Now the obvious question is, was Bode's patchy form for the Power in his three seasons on their list worthy of raising his value from that of a PSD pick, to a player worth a straight swap for a first-round draft pick?

Secondly, if he truly did have that much potential value, why was Mark Williams seemingly so eager to let him go - remembering that the Power had just finished an atrocious 14th and needed all the talent they could get?

Thirdly, considering the 2000 Draft was awash with smalls of some potential, was it really that necessary to trade so hard in the first place?:

#7 (Crows' first pick) - Laurence Angwin
#8 - Daniel Motlop
#9 - Kayne Pettifer
#10 - Jordan McMahon
#11 - Trent Sporn
#12 (What would've been our second pick) - Shaun Burgoyne
#13 - Ashley McGrath
#14 - Daniel Harris
#15 - Simon Wiggins
#16 - Scott Thompson
#17 - James Davies
#18 - Daniel Kerr
#19 (F/S) - Jason Cloke
#20 - Kane Cornes

Now we all know the draft is a lottery and we could've picked a squib like Pettifer, Sporn or Davies (assuming we'd be as perennially awful at drafting as Richmond, Carlton and Essendon) - but have a look at the small/medium South Australian talent we would've known about (you'd think) and could've picked up, let alone the likes of Harris and Kerr:

#12 - Shaun Burgoyne (PAMFC): enough said.

#16 - Scott Thompson (PAMFC): well, we got him eventually.

#20 - Kane Cornes (Glenelg): again, enough said.

You can't tell me they wouldn't have been a better option than trading for Bode - even at the time - given what little runs Bode had on the board at the time. That isn't to say Bode hasn't turned out to be a solid enough player when he actually takes the field, but the three local lads above are all superior players, again forgetting the likes of Kerr and Harris who we also could've nabbed.

 

[James23]

its not hard to be a hindsight expert

 

[tribey]

its not hard to be a hindsight expert

Obviously nowhere near as hard as reading posts properly either.

 

[Crow-mo]

We must have bad luck then. Other clubs must brilliant at the lottery becuase they seem to get alot of their high draft picks right.

do they? really?

I'd like to see that.

Anyone that thinks Bode was worth a pick in the first 50 should never be involved in recruiting.

springy I know you have draft jealousy over everyone else's record, but you really need to look into that some more. Ours is fine, as has been proven by our record over the last 10+ years.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

do they? really?

I'd like to see that.



springy I know you have draft jealousy over everyone else's record, but you really need to look into that some more. Ours is fine, as has been proven by our record over the last 10+ years.

So you reckon, only one success ( Reilly ) from 7 top 20 picks in 5 years
( 2000-2004 )is a good return?

Would you rather have Bode or the likes of S Burgoyne, McGrath, Harris, Thompson, Kerr, K Cornes who were taken shortly after him.

 

[macca23]

You can't tell me they wouldn't have been a better option than trading for Bode - even at the time - given what little runs Bode had on the board at the time. That isn't to say Bode hasn't turned out to be a solid enough player when he actually takes the field, but the three local lads above are all superior players, again forgetting the likes of Kerr and Harris who we also could've nabbed.

I know it's one of your hobby horses DT.

Sadly, you're right.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

its not hard to be a hindsight expert

Hindsight has nothing to do with it. It's not like we traded the pick for a promising yet unknown young draftee. As DT said, Bode had been in the system for 3 years and had shown little. Or at least nowhere enough to be worthy of a top 20 selection.

I would love to know who the instigator of this trade was and what his thought process was. In todays terms, it would be like someone giving us pick 12 for Porplyzia - a good small forward, who hasn't yet proved himself as a genuine midfielder.

IMO One of the obvious rules of trading is do not waste a 1st round draft pick on a player who is predoimately a small forward.