Ottens or Troy Simmonds?

[catempire]

Roll on season 2006

I hear ya brudda. Bring it!

 

[chapmanmagic35]

Ottens>Moloney

 

[Richo83]

This is the way I see it:

In: picks 12, 16 (Meyer and Patterson) and Simmonds.

Out: Ottens and Fiora.

Which group would you want? Fiora is a dud so I think we came out winners from that one.

Another thing, for the amount of money they pay Ottens, he should be doing more. For the amount of money we pay Simmonds, he is probably doing 90% asked, and will do whats needed this year.

Ottens' 2005 effort was a copout to the Geelong team considering how much they did to get him there.

 

[cs61]

This is the way I see it:

In: picks 12, 16 (Meyer and Patterson) and Simmonds.

Out: Ottens and Fiora.

Which group would you want? Fiora is a dud so I think we came out winners from that one.

Another thing, for the amount of money they pay Ottens, he should be doing more. For the amount of money we pay Simmonds, he is probably doing 90% asked, and will do whats needed this year.

Ottens' 2005 effort was a copout to the Geelong team considering how much they did to get him there.

I think at the moment to loss of Ottens is hurting Richmond, Meyer and Pattison could turn out to be good players, but there is also a chance that they may disapoint as well.

Simmonds for 5 years is pretty hard to understand in my book, 3 years is a big contract for Simmonds let alone 5.

Fiora as well isn't nearly as bad as you guys are making out. He's struggled to come on, but still has a chance on making it in my book. I'm sure you guys would have been selling his potential whilst he was at the tigers but as soon as he leaves he becomes an out and out dud for some reason.

 

[dumesny1]

Ottens is a broken down hack.

 

[jackson_rules]

That's where you're wrong.

Thompson said frfom teh outset that he was a ruckmna/forward, who he expected to kick 35-40 goals and release the pressure off King.

Ottens was well on the way to doing that until he became injured.

WHAT... why pay him soo much his pay packet suggest he should be the number 1 ruckman or a 60-70 goal kicker

 

[0-xXx-0]

I think at the moment to loss of Ottens is hurting Richmond, Meyer and Pattison could turn out to be good players, but there is also a chance that they may disapoint as well.

Simmonds for 5 years is pretty hard to understand in my book, 3 years is a big contract for Simmonds let alone 5.

Fiora as well isn't nearly as bad as you guys are making out. He's struggled to come on, but still has a chance on making it in my book. I'm sure you guys would have been selling his potential whilst he was at the tigers but as soon as he leaves he becomes an out and out dud for some reason.

true, patto and meyer may not make it, but they may. what we do know is ottons is an overrated broken down poor excuse of a man. he will never ever be the player everyone thought he could have been

simmonds over 5 yrs is a gr8 deal, his 5 yr contract is costing us less than ottos 3 yr contact.ok simmonds 1st yr was acceptable, nothing flash, but he gave us more in 1 yr than otto did in his last 3! simmonds may be on a 5yr deal, but its relatively cheap

fiora can make it as an outside player , he just need to eat a few nails for breaky and toughen up, spud destroyed the kid

 

[Lebowski]

This thread is just silly. Simmonds has never been as good a player as Ottens and never will be. Will Simmonds ever make the AA team? He is a hard working, average ruckman at best. Ottens is vital to the Geelong structure and will have a great year.

 

[local]

Wow another thread about ottens vs simmonds
I take it this wast started by a newbie

 

[Bentleigh]

This thread is just silly. Simmonds has never been as good a player as Ottens and never will be. Will Simmonds ever make the AA team? He is a hard working, average ruckman at best. Ottens is vital to the Geelong structure and will have a great year.

Simmonds had a better season than Ottens last season.

'Ottens will have a great year' isn't all that strong an argument.

 

[The Big Pineapple]

Both over rated and both over paid!

 

[cs61]

Simmonds had a better season than Ottens last season.

'Ottens will have a great year' isn't all that strong an argument.

Last year would have been one of Otten's worst season's, so I wouldn't go too much on that. Even then Otten's best games were far superior to Simmond's best games. Struggled with injury a lot of the year, so to use that as a comparison to Simmonds isn't really saying much for Simmonds.

 

[Bentleigh]

Last year would have been one of Otten's worst season's, so I wouldn't go too much on that.

He has not been much chop for a while now - 2001.

Even then Otten's best games were far superior to Simmond's best games. Struggled with injury a lot of the year, so to use that as a comparison to Simmonds isn't really saying much for Simmonds.

Troy Simmonds Name Brad Ottens 
Richmond Tigers Team Geelong Cats 
126 Career Games 144 
Box Hill Origin Glenelg 
July 13, 1978 Date of Birth January 25, 1980 
27 Age 26 
196 cm Height 202 cm 
99 kg Weight 104 kg 
22 2005 Games 15 
9.3 Kicks Per Game 5.4 
3.9 Handballs Per Game 5.9 
13.2 Disposals Per Game 11.3 
5.6 Marks Per Game 4.6 
0.9 Goals Per Game 1.5 
1.0 Behinds Per Game 0.8 
1.4 Tackles Per Game 1.9 
13.8 Hitouts Per Game 11.5 
1.1 Frees For Per Game 1.2 
0.9 Frees Against Per Game 1.3

Simmo > Ottens


Troy is a tad under 200cm/100kg. He played 22 games and averaged 13+ touches, 6 marks, 1 goal, 14 hitouts per game.

Those types don't grow on tress.

 

[carn_the_cattas]

He has not been much chop for a while now - 2001.

Troy Simmonds Name Brad Ottens 
Richmond Tigers Team Geelong Cats 
126 Career Games 144 
Box Hill Origin Glenelg 
July 13, 1978 Date of Birth January 25, 1980 
27 Age 26 
196 cm Height 202 cm 
99 kg Weight 104 kg 
22 2005 Games 15 
9.3 Kicks Per Game 5.4 
3.9 Handballs Per Game 5.9 
13.2 Disposals Per Game 11.3 
5.6 Marks Per Game 4.6 
0.9 Goals Per Game 1.5 
1.0 Behinds Per Game 0.8 
1.4 Tackles Per Game 1.9 
13.8 Hitouts Per Game 11.5 
1.1 Frees For Per Game 1.2 
0.9 Frees Against Per Game 1.3

Simmo > Ottens


Troy is a tad under 200cm/100kg. He played 22 games and averaged 13+ touches, 6 marks, 1 goal, 14 hitouts per game.

Those types don't grow on tress.

Sad thing is (for Troy), Ottens was hardly fit last year yet his stats are relatively close.

 

[sante]

From a biased view Ottens
From an unbiased view: Ottens

Ottens has the ability to dominate games.

He may have the ability but he never uses that ability

 

[Richo83]

Last year would have been one of Otten's worst season's, so I wouldn't go too much on that. Even then Otten's best games were far superior to Simmond's best games. Struggled with injury a lot of the year, so to use that as a comparison to Simmonds isn't really saying much for Simmonds.

Actually, Otten's last season was probably his second best behind 2001, and I say that from a Richmond supporter's persective who has followed him for most of his career (But not now).

 

[cs61]

Actually, Otten's last season was probably his second best behind 2001, and I say that from a Richmond supporter's persective who has followed him for most of his career (But not now).

Well going on stats alone, it was easily his worst year for average kicks per game, worst for average marks, worst for tackles, etc....

IMO it was his worst year anyhow from having watched him play, 2001 was the year he had his absolute best year, but had much better seasons than 2005.. 2003 for example wasn't bad, even parts of 2004 he was very handy in the ruck.

I don't think there is anyway you could possibly justify saying that was Otten's second best year of AFL footy.