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Hasn't delivered since his break out season when he was AA. Has not lived up to the hype. Richmond's salary cap very tight. Ottens comes out of contract at the end of the year. If he continues with his current form his trading value will slip.

Do we really go after him at the end of the year??????

With the retirements at the end of the year we will have room in our salary cap. I think Ottens really needs a change of scenery and if his form continues he could be a bargain pick up ala Pickett was for Port couple of years ago.

I will go on record to say that there is no way in hell I would trade our 1st round pick for anyone. we must hold onto that pick at all costs.

Thoughts??????
 
I wouldn't go all out for Ottens after what I have seen of him recently. I'm beginning to think he wont get any better and may have plateued as a player.
 
I reckon Ottens needs a change of scenery to do his best. He has been in that nest of loser's mentality for far too long.

I wouldn't mind having him, but I wouldn't give up a 1st round draft pick for him. 2nd round draft pick and a 2nd tier player at best given his recent record.

I actually think there's a lot of upside in him - but only if he leaves Richmond. If he stays there all I would expect from him is exactly what he's giving now - which isn't enough.

We'll have the cap room for him next year, we could use him and IMO for his benefit as well. But I would NOT be prepared to sell the farm to get him.
 

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Originally posted by macca23
I reckon Ottens needs a change of scenery to do his best. He has been in that nest of loser's mentality for far too long.

I wouldn't mind having him, but I wouldn't give up a 1st round draft pick for him. 2nd round draft pick and a 2nd tier player at best given his recent record.

I actually think there's a lot of upside in him - but only if he leaves Richmond. If he stays there all I would expect from him is exactly what he's giving now - which isn't enough.

We'll have the cap room for him next year, we could use him and IMO for his benefit as well. But I would NOT be prepared to sell the farm to get him.
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Pretty much the way I see it.

If he is to realise his potential he needs a change of scenery. He is still youngish at 25 and would give us an option in the ruck and forward line to give a bit more "buffer" for the likes of Watts, Krueger and Andrews to develop.

I definetly wouldn't sell the farm but if the opportunity is there at the right price you have got to look at him.
 
On Friday night, he was Adelaide's 19th player.
He helped set the tone of the game in Adelaide's favour, in the first quarter, as much as Ricciuto and Stenglein did.
If he was offered for trade, at the end of the year, a lot of Clubs would go for him, hence his value would be based on "potential".
Not just his trade value, but his salary as well.

The year(s) he did play well, he was not being picked up by the oppositions best tall back. That is something that people forget to take into account when talking about certain forwards in the AFL, and not just Ottens.
It would be interesting to check out his stats with Richo, and without Richo, even in his good year.

So, back to the question.
Should you go for him if the opportunity came?
Short answer__Yes.
Long answer__1. What would you be willing to part with, and
____________2.How much are you willing to pay him, and for how long.
 
Originally posted by macca23
I reckon Ottens needs a change of scenery to do his best. He has been in that nest of loser's mentality for far too long.

I wouldn't mind having him, but I wouldn't give up a 1st round draft pick for him. 2nd round draft pick and a 2nd tier player at best given his recent record.

I actually think there's a lot of upside in him - but only if he leaves Richmond. If he stays there all I would expect from him is exactly what he's giving now - which isn't enough.

We'll have the cap room for him next year, we could use him and IMO for his benefit as well. But I would NOT be prepared to sell the farm to get him.
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Same as Stiffy pretty much the way i see it.

A change of environment away from Richmond might just be what he needs.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Hasn't delivered since his break out season when he was AA. Has not lived up to the hype. Richmond's salary cap very tight. Ottens comes out of contract at the end of the year. If he continues with his current form his trading value will slip.

Do we really go after him at the end of the year??????


I will go on record to say that there is no way in hell I would trade our 1st round pick for anyone. we must hold onto that pick at all costs.

Thoughts??????
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not sure his trade value would slip considering that most clubs would chase him.granted he hasnt lived up to his reputation and like some other posters have mention a change of scenery might be what he needs.
you guys gave up your 1st rnd pick for an aging champion and while otto is nowhere near carey,s standing in the football world yet you would surely consider what he could offer in terms of team balance.
not many talls out there than can play both ruck and foward.
id prefer the crows get him than port:D

cheers!
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Hasn't delivered since his break out season when he was AA. Has not lived up to the hype. Richmond's salary cap very tight. Ottens comes out of contract at the end of the year. If he continues with his current form his trading value will slip.

Do we really go after him at the end of the year??????

With the retirements at the end of the year we will have room in our salary cap. I think Ottens really needs a change of scenery and if his form continues he could be a bargain pick up ala Pickett was for Port couple of years ago.

I will go on record to say that there is no way in hell I would trade our 1st round pick for anyone. we must hold onto that pick at all costs.

Thoughts??????
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I say if he is on the market we go after him, I agree he looked very out of it with Richmond on Friday night and didnt seem to be enjoying his footy, with Clarke most likley to retire, he should be a prority IMO:D :D :D I would be stoked if we could get him cheaply as I agree with you Stiffy his market value would have slipped, a fresh start at the AFC could do wonders for Ottens and the AFC;)
 
I'd offer up Reilly and our second round pick for Ottens and Fiora.
 
His value as a bigman will not have diminished too much, give the way most clubs would be viewing the Richmond situation.
Most coaches would believe they could turn him around and re-invigorate him. Hence he would be IMO a first round pick.
Would I chase him. No - has the talent, but no grunt, that I like to see in a bigman. And I certainly wouldn't give a first round draft pick for him.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I would seriously think about that one.
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Well I think it is a realistic trade - especially if the Tiges do have cap worries.

Reilly being a Vic kid will more than likely bleat about going home at the end of his next contract anyway, regardless of how good he is - and besides, his current trade value would have to be quite good.

Ottens is nowhere near the multipurpose big unit he looked like becoming a few years ago, and as others have said, a change of scenery might spark him back to greatness - and we're certain to have room in the cap once Carey retires.

As for Fiora, he'd be well worth a second round pick to bring him home and see if we can't get the best out of him - as his best is very very good.

One of those 'everybody wins' situations.
 

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You people don't seriously think Richmond would entertain the thought of that trade for one moment? Footballing merits aside, what club would inflict upon themselves the humiliation of trading two players 25 or under who were national number 2 and 3 picks in the draft?
 
The ottens rumour has gathered pace about him leaving Richmond. Suffice to say if thats all the crows would offer then you wouldnt get Ottens. Your best hope of getting Ottens is finishing lowly on the ladder ie. bottom 5 handing over your first round pick and probably your second...and maybe that still wouldnt clinch it for you.

Port Power have more to offer Richmond and they also have a couple of young victorian players who want to come home! A Port Power 1st round draft pick and a good young player would get them over the line:p
 
Originally posted by Supertiger
The ottens rumour has gathered pace about him leaving Richmond. Suffice to say if thats all the crows would offer then you wouldnt get Ottens. Your best hope of getting Ottens is finishing lowly on the ladder ie. bottom 5 handing over your first round pick and probably your second...and maybe that still wouldnt clinch it for you.

Port Power have more to offer Richmond and they also have a couple of young victorian players who want to come home! A Port Power 1st round draft pick and a good young player would get them over the line:p
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Nice to see some-one has a grip on reality. Plus I don't think he would want to go to Sth Aust anyway?
 
Well, Ottens is a South Aussie and very well might want to come home.

I think a top 5 pick AND a young Vic player is asking a bit too much for a player who seems to have hit a wall in regards to improvement.

While a change in scenery might get the best out of him, his trade value is slipping.

However Reilly and our second-round pick for Ottens AND Fiora is very stupid and unrealistic, and indicative of a mindset that many of our board members and recruiting staff seem to have: that somehow the other side will just sell themselves into a stupidly bad deal.

First round pick and Reilly for Ottens is realistic. We have to give up quality to get quality.
 
Originally posted by Supertiger
...Port Power have more to offer Richmond and they also have a couple of young victorian players who want to come home! ...
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And they are?? :confused:
 
Originally posted by spindoctor
Well, Ottens is a South Aussie and very well might want to come home.

I think a top 5 pick AND a young Vic player is asking a bit too much for a player who seems to have hit a wall in regards to improvement.

While a change in scenery might get the best out of him, his trade value is slipping.

However Reilly and our second-round pick for Ottens AND Fiora is very stupid and unrealistic, and indicative of a mindset that many of our board members and recruiting staff seem to have: that somehow the other side will just sell themselves into a stupidly bad deal.

First round pick and Reilly for Ottens is realistic. We have to give up quality to get quality.
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All good points.
 

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Originally posted by spindoctor
However Reilly and our second-round pick for Ottens AND Fiora is very stupid and unrealistic, and indicative of a mindset that many of our board members and recruiting staff seem to have: that somehow the other side will just sell themselves into a stupidly bad deal.
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It's Richmond - there's always hope. Any club who truly believed that someone who did their apprenticeship under Tony Shaw would be a great coach could do something stupid.
 
Originally posted by dyertribe
I'd offer up Reilly and our second round pick for Ottens and Fiora.
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Ottens and Fiora were top3 picks.

I can't see Richmond letting these two go for so much less than they paid for them.

Fiora and Reilly are similar in some ways... both supposedly talented youngsters who haven't really proved much. So cancel these two out and you get Ottens for a second round pick. Again, not gonna happen.
 
Ottens = Obscenely Overrated
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And so is Fiora, if he is still in fact rated at all.

Reilly and a second round pick is decent considering Ottens is an injury crock who has rarely lived up to the hype and Fiora has done bugger all since being drafted as top 3 pick.

My suggestion was exactly that - a suggestion - and on the surface of it when all things considered it's hardly a deal that Richmond would have to "blunder into" to seriously consider.

A second round pick more than cuts their losses on Fiora - Reilly for Ottens is the big question mark. Is it realistic now? Probably not. Is it realistic at the end of the year if both players continue on as they are? Possibly - note emphasis those who will blindly label such suggestions as 'stupid'.
 
I don't think Richmond would be thinking about "cutting their losses" on Aaron Fiora.

No point trading him when no one rates him and his value is low.

There's every chance he'll still come good at Richmond, a la Andrew Krakouer.
 

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