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That is the important one for me, winning week one.
Just the experience of playing finals for the first time will benefit the younger group but actually winning one and then getting a large final in week 2 in front of a huge crowd will get juices flowing for next year.
I'm a bit of a realist about our ultimate chances this year but whilst we are still in it, we're not out of it
Wow. At R11 we had just kicked 10 goals against WCE with Gardner and Gowers as the deep forwards, failing to kick 100 for the 9 th week in a row.Just thought I'd update this to emphasise our form in the back half of the season. It's the AFL ladder based on games played since Rd 11:
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Highest scoring team. Second best percentage. Third best overall, despite playing three games interstate.
The form side of the AFL.
Cordy in his current form same as finals Roberts? Crozier slight upgrade from Morris? Boyd 2016 not having good disposal? JJ is not near the form he was in 2016, and one or two good (and that's good not great) games from Wood does not make him anywhere near 2016 Wood.2016 vs 2019 a throwaway comparison.
Ill do defence! trying to match up roles.
DEFENCE
wood, JJ, morris, boyd, hamling, roberts,
vs.
wood, JJ, crozier, duryea, cordy, young/trengrove
verdict:
JJ is back in form SAME
Wood is showing signs of having dusted off his superman cape. SAME
duryea playing a similar role to boyd. Not anywhere as prolific, but Id give him the nod for disposal SLIGHT DOWNGRADE
crozier has no close rolemodel. Im going to compare him to morris as a 'versatile medium defender'. Verdict is Morris much stronger at ground level but Crozier better disposal and aerialist. SLIGHT UPGRADE
this is where it gets interesting in the KPD stakes
Cordy and Young/Trengrove vs Roberts and Hamling
History tells us that Hamling performed admirably, and I dont see any of our KPD options matching that. Young obviously the perfect comparison, but has played 2 games this year and is about 20-30 senior games behind hamling you would think. DOWNGRADE
Which leaves us with Cordy/Trenners vs roberts, with Cordy probably being the one who will play. This is tough, Roberts did his job of 'the golden fist'. He did the job that was required. I feel that Trengrove would do the same, and possibly do a slightly better job than roberts, as he seems a little more mobile. However, we may be going with Cordy who I find it hard to get a read on. yes, he loses more 1:1s than we would like but he works hard to get to them, and I assume bev values his input as a part of the defensive team more than a specialist roleplayer. Im going to go with SAME on the basis that none of these guys is brilliant in their position, but they are solid battlers.
Overall verdict, I feel like this is a less defensively adept backline that offers more rebound potential.
Going to give the forward line a go:2016 vs 2019 a throwaway comparison.
Ill do defence! trying to match up roles.
DEFENCE
wood, JJ, morris, boyd, hamling, roberts,
vs.
wood, JJ, crozier, duryea, cordy, young/trengrove
verdict:
JJ is back in form SAME
Wood is showing signs of having dusted off his superman cape. SAME
duryea playing a similar role to boyd. Not anywhere as prolific, but Id give him the nod for disposal SLIGHT DOWNGRADE
crozier has no close rolemodel. Im going to compare him to morris as a 'versatile medium defender'. Verdict is Morris much stronger at ground level but Crozier better disposal and aerialist. SLIGHT UPGRADE
this is where it gets interesting in the KPD stakes
Cordy and Young/Trengrove vs Roberts and Hamling
History tells us that Hamling performed admirably, and I dont see any of our KPD options matching that. Young obviously the perfect comparison, but has played 2 games this year and is about 20-30 senior games behind hamling you would think. DOWNGRADE
Which leaves us with Cordy/Trenners vs roberts, with Cordy probably being the one who will play. This is tough, Roberts did his job of 'the golden fist'. He did the job that was required. I feel that Trengrove would do the same, and possibly do a slightly better job than roberts, as he seems a little more mobile. However, we may be going with Cordy who I find it hard to get a read on. yes, he loses more 1:1s than we would like but he works hard to get to them, and I assume bev values his input as a part of the defensive team more than a specialist roleplayer. Im going to go with SAME on the basis that none of these guys is brilliant in their position, but they are solid battlers.
Overall verdict, I feel like this is a less defensively adept backline that offers more rebound potential.
Actually scrap my reply I am taking the 19 forward line over this one after reading this. Stringer was rubbish this final series and he was my reason for grading it higher (still have 2015 Stringer when i try to rate him)Going to give the forward line a go:
FORWARD
Josh Dunkley - Zaine Cordy - Jake Stringer
Tory Dickson - Tom Boyd - Clay Smith
vs.
Bailey Dale - Josh Schache - Sam Lloyd
Tory Dickson - Aaron Naughton - Toby McLean
verdict:
Tory looks right back at his best lately, so this is a par
SAME
Comparing Dunkley with Dale, this is a huge upgrade. We now have a leading forward who is decent at ground level and overhead. Capacity to kick a bag (his 5 this weekend could have been 7 if he didn't uncharacteristically shank a couple)
HUGE UPGRADE
Schache vs Cordy is an upgrade. We don't have that mongrel attack on the ball and defensive work from Cordy, but we do have a mobile tall who helps link up the play between the defense and forward line, as well as being a beautiful shot on goal. Bigger capacity to score
SLIGHT UPGRADE
Boyd vs Naughton is a break even. Boyd very nearly won the Norm Smith and was absolutely outstanding rotating being forward and ruck. Naughton is a contested marking beast, does well enough in the ruck, and I'm sure I recently read somewhere that he's 4th in the competition this year for successful leads inside 50. Has capacity to move down back if required. I'll call it even
SAME
Jake Stringer vs Sam Lloyd is a downgrade unfortunately. They are very different players, but what Lloyd gains in reliability, he loses in X-factor. Does not seem to have capacity to produce large scores, and has been a bit off over the last month or so, but he does provide some much needed experience and leadership up forward. Have to give this one a negative
DOWNGRADE
Toby McLean vs Clay Smith is a marginal downgrade. Lose a bit of mongrel, but gain footy smarts and clean disposal. No knock on Toby, but I'd take Smith up forward any day of the week if I had the choice.
SLIGHT DOWNGRADE
Tory Dickson and Aaron Naughton are break evens for this group. Josh Schache (vs Cordy) and Toby McLean (vs Clay Smith) cancel each other out, leaving Bailey Dale (vs Dunkley) to more than make up the difference of Lloyd (vs Stringer).
I think overall we end up with a forward line that seems to have a little less mongrel, but a much bigger scoring capacity and better usage around the ground.
Take a look in the other thread with "Resource" in the subject line, some of the answers to your questions are in there.Im hoping to take a bunch of northerners to the game and need to be able to give them an idea on costs
Anyone have any idea of the difference between cat 3 and cat 4 views at spotless?
Also what is a concession holder? School student? Uni student?
And whas a junior? u12 or 14?
I think the family ticket is 2 adults 2 juniors, is that right?
Sorry for all the q's, I dont get to the footy nearly enough
Im hoping to take a bunch of northerners to the game and need to be able to give them an idea on costs
Anyone have any idea of the difference between cat 3 and cat 4 views at spotless?
Also what is a concession holder? School student? Uni student?
And whas a junior? u12 or 14?
I think the family ticket is 2 adults 2 juniors, is that right?
Sorry for all the q's, I dont get to the footy nearly enough
Cordy in his current form same as finals Roberts? Crozier slight upgrade from Morris? Boyd 2016 not having good disposal? JJ is not near the form he was in 2016, and one or two good (and that's good not great) games from Wood does not make him anywhere near 2016 Wood.
I'm all for comparisons but this one is completely off base.
I'm not sure comparing players is helpful from 2016 to 2019. It hasn't been individual brilliance that helped us finish the season so well. Each player seems to understand their role so well and how they fit with each other that we have played the best team football of any team.
If we continue this I would back 2019 team over 2016 but not due to the individuals available.
West Coast, 1992. Lost to Sydney in Round 2 who finished last that season.Whilst I don't want to read too much into this, can anyone tell me if a team has ever lost to the wooden spooners during the season and then gone on to win the flag?
Off the top of my head I can certainly think of one. Fitzroy won 1 and lost 17 in 1963. The team they beat was Geelong, the premiers that year. Final score was Fitzroy 9-13 67 to Geelong 3-13 31 (WB-like inaccuracy).Whilst I don't want to read too much into this, can anyone tell me if a team has ever lost to the wooden spooners during the season and then gone on to win the flag?