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[Gone Critical]

Good analysis Gone Critical still think Broomy has A-Grade potential though.

THIS THREAD makes for an interesting reading now.
However I was wrong thinking Melbourne's list is worse than ours.

Melbournes best youth looks great though. We don't have anyone who looks as good as Hogan or Brayshaw. Viney is excellent. Petracca on sidelines. Salem loos good. McDonald still young also.

 

[PieBeast]

Melbournes best youth looks great though. We don't have anyone who looks as good as Hogan or Brayshaw. Viney is excellent. Petracca on sidelines. Salem loos good. McDonald still young also.

Think the addition of Brayshaw who will be out an out gun and reminds me of Pendles tipped the scales in their favour.

And with so many young sides already ahead or at least on par with us we need to ask ourselves a question - did we pull the right rein performing such a drastic rebuild?

 

[the mighty T]

Melbournes best youth looks great though. We don't have anyone who looks as good as Hogan or Brayshaw. Viney is excellent. Petracca on sidelines. Salem loos good. McDonald still young also.

Brayshaw is stellar, no doubt about that but Hogan is in his third season as part of an AFL list. Exceptionally talented, but I'd be keen to see how Moore stacks up at the same stage of his development

 

[TradeDraft]

At this point we are clearly behind the clubs with the best youth such as GWS, GC, Dogs and I would have Melb and Saints better also. We building well though but lack potential AGraders. Most on the list TD put up are more likely B grade at best. Freeman and Shaz arepartofthis because they both came in with massive hopes but those hopes are now down graded. If the an be reignited we have made up ground. Moore and DeGoeyhaveshown enough in their 1st season to expect big things from them. Marsh is the other who has looked like he could really step up but very early days.

Of the others Langdon will give high grade service for a long while. Grundy likewise. Crisp and Adams look solid longterm players but not stars. Ramsay too early to say but solid at best. Broomhead and Kennedy have been disappointing so far but could still develop into players, star material unlikely. Marley Williams is the other younger player plus Elliott and Fas who have A grade potential.

So for mine we are pretty well placed but have slipped a fair way behind the top teams. Development is going to be massive. We need to elevate ourselves by outdoing teams placed in a similar position. We have been good developers in the past so hopefully can repeat that. I think we are a long way off being a contender soon but we need to make a good step forward in 2016. Bucks career also depends on that

Good Write Up.

Though I still Believe Grundy has Big Time Potential Still.

Crisp and Adams might not be Superstars but will be very Important Players for Collingwood

 

[the mighty T]

Think the addition of Brayshaw who will be out an out gun and reminds me of Pendles tipped the scales in their favour.

And with so many young sides already ahead or at least on par with us we need to ask ourselves a question - did we pull the right rein performing such a drastic rebuild?

Well, what was the alternative PieBeast ? We're living in the Age of the Hawk, where they look damn near untouchable at their best. Sure, we could've topped up and tried to emulate the success of 2010-11, but ultimately would we have been better than the Dockers/Hawks/Swans of the past few years? And if you don't win a title in that time, what would our list look like without the first rounders we've brought in?

I think we're in a better position to win a flag in the coming seasons due to the decisions the club made to rebuild than we would have if we had continued with largely the same list from 2012.

 

[TradeDraft]

Well, what was the alternative PieBeast ? We're living in the Age of the Hawk, where they look damn near untouchable at their best. Sure, we could've topped up and tried to emulate the success of 2010-11, but ultimately would we have been better than the Dockers/Hawks/Swans of the past few years? And if you don't win a title in that time, what would our list look like without the first rounders we've brought in?

I think we're in a better position to win a flag in the coming seasons due to the decisions the club made to rebuild than we would have if we had continued with largely the same list from 2012.

After the PF loss to Swans. Bucks and Co realised that we are not going to get any better with the players we had. So we brought in Young Players and 1st Round Picks. Our Mid to Long term looks better then in 2012

 

[PieBeast]

Well, what was the alternative PieBeast ? We're living in the Age of the Hawk, where they look damn near untouchable at their best. Sure, we could've topped up and tried to emulate the success of 2010-11, but ultimately would we have been better than the Dockers/Hawks/Swans of the past few years? And if you don't win a title in that time, what would our list look like without the first rounders we've brought in?

I think we're in a better position to win a flag in the coming seasons due to the decisions the club made to rebuild than we would have if we had continued with largely the same list from 2012.

Fair reasoning mate but I'll consider this strategy being wrong until we become a top 2 side that we were at the time of the handover.
Flag wasn't guaranteed but it was well within the grasp when Bucks took over.

Obviously youth policy should net some rewards sooner or later but we'll be competing with about 5/6 sides by the time this does eventuate, not 2/3 had we chosen a different path back in 2012.

 

[FireKrakouer]

the thing that separates us from other clubs is that we don't have that absolute star young player like Stringer, Bontempelli, Wines, Wingard etc.* (Grundy debatable)

 

[TradeDraft]

Most of the players you listed are 22 and older. Especially Sydney and Gold Coast.

I would say we are top 5 in the 21 or under department (slightly overrated by our fans), but the thing that separates us from other clubs is that we don't have that absolute star young player like Stringer, Bontempelli, Wines, Wingard etc.* (Grundy debatable)

You also have to remember how good our development of players has been over the past decade.

Moore could Easily be that Star Young Player next year IF he has a Huge and Injury-Free Pre-Season

 

[the mighty T]

Fair reasoning mate but I'll consider this strategy being wrong until we become a top 2 side that we were at the time of the handover.
Flag wasn't guaranteed but it was well within the grasp when Bucks took over.

Obviously youth policy should net some rewards sooner or later but we'll be competing with about 5/6 sides by the time this does eventuate, not 2/3 had we chosen a different path back in 2012.

And that's pretty reasonable. After all, the Hawks have worked at sustaining success and improving their side through trade and it has netted them a pair of premierships to this point.. and there's nothing that says we couldn't have tried to do the same.

 

[TradeDraft]

And that's pretty reasonable. After all, the Hawks have worked at sustaining success and improving their side through trade and it has netted them a pair of premierships to this point.. and there's nothing that says we couldn't have tried to do the same.

That some of our Experience Players wanted out of the Club

 

[PremierPie13]

I think its important to note that we have a few players around the 21-25 y/o bracket that are absolute quality, and who we can expect significant improvement from in the years to come.

Steele Sidebottom, Jamie Elliot & Marley Williams can all be A grade players in their respective positions. We have not seen their best at all IMO.

If you include these guys in a list of players we will likely see continue to develop en route to our premiership window it looks very promising:

- Jordan De Goey
- Darcy Moore
- Taylor Adams
- Matthew Scharenberg
- Brodie Grundy
- Tim Broomhead
- Adam Treloar (We will land a big name)
- Jack Crisp
- Steele Sidebottom
- Jamie Elliot
- Marley Williams
- Tom Langdon
- Brayden Maynard
- Jonothan Marsh

Players that would even be handy even at clubs like Hawthorn, Fremantle, West Coast, Sydney, Bulldogs:

- Alex Fasolo
- Jarrod Witts
- Nathan Freeman (on potential)
- Ben Kennedy (on potential)
- Jackson Ramsay
- Jack Frost (who I really rate)

When people are suggesting that we lack genuine elite talent to match it with clubs like the Bulldogs and GWS, from my point of view its far too early to judge. Darcy Moore, Jordan De Goey, Brodie Grundy, Jamie Elliot, Steele Sidebottom could all be top end players over the next 5-7 years. Nobody would've said Scott Pendlebury would eventually become a a top 5 player in the competition if they made that judgement in his first or second year; the same can be said about Dane Swan. How about Dayne Beams? Tom Rockliff? Nat Fyfe? Gary Ablett? Jobe Watson? Josh. P Kennedy? Sam Mitchell? Liberatore? I could go on and on, but in all honesty Darcy Moore has shown just as much as any of the blokes listed above did in their first four games.

Just imagine De Goey brushing off tacklers coming out of stoppages in 2-3 years. Darcy Moore running around like a greyhound at ground level, while taking high-flying marks with his elite reach and then finishing off his work as he's already demonstrated he can do. Imagine Elliot, who is the definition of clutch, consolidating his game and using all his incredible attributes consistently. Marley Williams further developing his rebound game and getting more and more 30+ touch games, which he has really made leaps and bounds in this year. Scharenberg actually getting a full preseason in, unhindered by injury and fulfilling that potential that saw Chocco calling him "the best schoolboy talent since Carey." Brodie Grundy is an absolute ball-magnet ruckman at 21; meanwhile posters were saying he had a bad game when he picked up 20 possessions.

So much talent to be optimistic about; I really couldn't care less about negative opinions on here. Those posters are absolutely entitled to those opinions – I just think they're wrong!

 

[Gone Critical]

I think its important to note that we have a few players around the 21-25 y/o bracket that are absolute quality, and who we can expect significant improvement from in the years to come.

Steele Sidebottom, Jamie Elliot & Marley Williams can all be A grade players in their respective positions. We have not seen their best at all IMO.

If you include these guys in a list of players we will likely see continue to develop en route to our premiership window it looks very promising:

- Jordan De Goey
- Darcy Moore
- Taylor Adams
- Matthew Scharenberg
- Brodie Grundy
- Tim Broomhead
- Adam Treloar (We will land a big name)
- Jack Crisp
- Steele Sidebottom
- Jamie Elliot
- Marley Williams
- Tom Langdon
- Brayden Maynard
- Jonothan Marsh

Players that would even be handy even at clubs like Hawthorn, Fremantle, West Coast, Sydney, Bulldogs:

- Alex Fasolo
- Jarrod Witts
- Nathan Freeman (on potential)
- Ben Kennedy (on potential)
- Jackson Ramsay
- Jack Frost (who I really rate)

When people are suggesting that we lack genuine elite talent to match it with clubs like the Bulldogs and GWS, from my point of view its far too early to judge. Darcy Moore, Jordan De Goey, Brodie Grundy, Jamie Elliot, Steele Sidebottom could all be top end players over the next 5-7 years. Nobody would've said Scott Pendlebury would eventually become a a top 5 player in the competition if they made that judgement in his first or second year; the same can be said about Dane Swan. How about Dayne Beams? Tom Rockliff? Nat Fyfe? Gary Ablett? Jobe Watson? Josh. P Kennedy? Sam Mitchell? Liberatore? I could go on and on, but in all honesty Darcy Moore has shown just as much as any of the blokes listed above did in their first four games.

Just imagine De Goey brushing off tacklers coming out of stoppages in 2-3 years. Darcy Moore running around like a greyhound at ground level, while taking high-flying marks with his elite reach and then finishing off his work as he's already demonstrated he can do. Imagine Elliot, who is the definition of clutch, consolidating his game and using all his incredible attributes consistently. Marley Williams further developing his rebound game and getting more and more 30+ touch games, which he has really made leaps and bounds in this year. Scharenberg actually getting a full preseason in, unhindered by injury and fulfilling that potential that saw Chocco calling him "the best schoolboy talent since Carey." Brodie Grundy is an absolute ball-magnet ruckman at 21; meanwhile posters were saying he had a bad game when he picked up 20 possessions.

So much talent to be optimistic about; I really couldn't care less about negative opinions on here. Those posters are absolutely entitled to those opinions – I just think they're wrong!

I dont disagree we have some good kids and hopefully some who become A graders. Not sure I agree with all your views re some of out Pies. Pendles oozed class from day 1 at the club. Had glandular fever in 1st preseason but even when he played those 1st few VFL games the wraps on him were massive. While some players become stars from a long way back like a Josh Kennedy that doesnt make it more likely our kids will do the same

I am most bullish about Moore and De Goey but still they havent impressed as much as some at Dogs, Melbourn, GWS, GC as examples. Sidey is already in his peak years. Grundy, Elliott, Williams and I reckon Fas can bocome A grade in the future. The rest look solid or uncertain but without the star power some other clubs have. We have good kids , we need to develop them well so some go on to be great.

 

[jackcass]

Ramsey is very good Defender but I am not 100% Sold on his Offensive Game.

I have heard the Club really Rate his Leadership. Pendles said he could be our Next Captain. Though he is a Good User of the Ball but for me he just does not Stand Out like the Others

Sorry? Wasn't it Ramsay who ran from HBF through the guts of the MCG taking bounces with an opponent hot on his heals and lace out delivered into our F50 onto the chest of a leading forward?

 

[TradeDraft]

Sorry? Wasn't it Ramsay who ran from HBF through the guts of the MCG taking bounces with an opponent hot on his heals and lace out delivered into our F50 onto the chest of a leading forward?

I don’t remember that at all

 

[jackcass]

Melbournes best youth looks great though. We don't have anyone who looks as good as Hogan or Brayshaw. Viney is excellent. Petracca on sidelines. Salem loos good. McDonald still young also.

Amazing what a few 1-2-3 type picks can do to enhance your talent pool.

 

[TradeDraft]

Melbournes best youth looks great though. We don't have anyone who looks as good as Hogan or Brayshaw. Viney is excellent. Petracca on sidelines. Salem loos good. McDonald still young also.

I say Moore looks as Exciting as Hogan. Has had not got the Numbers of Hogan but I say Moore be at least as good as Hogan.

Not Sold on Viney - Reminds me a lot of Adams

 

[jackcass]

I don’t remember that at all

Testing the memory but reckon it was the Saints game early this year and it might have been Jack Stevens on his tail.