People don't get it. You start making an impact from about 50 games.
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Oh yeah is it shitful.
People love to say it's all okay though because Fyfe and Lachie Neale were picked up later.
I mean, Fyfe at pick 23 or something is barely Hird from nowhere and Lachie Neale was a very very rare exception in 20-plus years of the club.
Meh, whatever though, Richmond draft awfully and make sillier trades and top end draft decisions than Freo have in the last 15-odd years and they won a flag. I guess it's all about belief, timing, and some left of field coaching – and a decent rapport from player to coach.
People love to say it's all okay though because Fyfe and Lachie Neale were picked up later.
I mean, Fyfe at pick 23 or something is barely Hird from nowhere and Lachie Neale was a very very rare exception in 20-plus years of the club.
Meh, whatever though, Richmond draft awfully and make sillier trades and top end draft decisions than Freo have in the last 15-odd years and they won a flag. I guess it's all about belief, timing, and some left of field coaching – and a decent rapport from player to coach.
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Yes - a lot of phantoms had him going earlier and he was linked to a number of clubs earlier and later.
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Sydney were keen on Logue with pick 10
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WTF were they thinking??? I've been spitting chips since 2011 over that draft.
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Are you suggesting that the coach has developed a poor rapport with the players?
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Yes
What has been your other aliases? Once you are back from suspension it would be nice to know
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I think Beveridge and Dimma have been smart enough to use what they have, to form genuine bonds, and to utilise mentality to keep on the momentum. You only have to look at the awesome rapport Clarko has with his players and to see how that created happiness, respect, and decency amongst the group. And success.
Ross Lyon playing guys like Suban continually over younger guys hasn't helped, but to me his hard arse approach just doesn't work. This is football in 2017 where almost all players are born in the 1990s. These are kids from private schools and modern cities, they respond to different and more unique approaches as opposed to applying some hard arse, all the same, down the line way of treating them all. Ross Lyon was not the man to tell the boys to grab the game by the balls in the three quarter time huddle in 2013. We really, really could have had one.
Then again you and I see the club completely different and we'll never agree, so why bother engaging one another?
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I don't necessarily disagree with his approach to Clarkson and others. I do think Clarkson would demand a fair bit from the players though.
Suban has always been a fringe player with little development under Ross. Ross may at times chose to play him due to his attitude to do the hard yards and want others to follow. Although deBoer was let go and so was Barlow which pissed me off.
I just don't see Freo finding a better coach out of contract at the moment but things can change quickly. IMO there aren't many A grade coaches in the system.
Dimmer struggled big time with Richmond until this season. He was viewed as an average coach. He did very well to win the gf with the club but if Freo WC or any other clubs outside melbourne recieved the same amount of games at their home ground as Richmond do and get specialised treatment for the finals due to crowd numbers then it would be a more even playing circle.
That won't ever change but I wouldn't view Dimmer or Beverage as better coaches than Ross.
I tend to agree, but this is BF, and on here if you win a premiership as a coach you’re immediately elevated above those that haven’t. However BF can accept that there are plenty of crap, or at least very lucky, premiership players.
When talk about first round history, you need to look at where in the first round and compare it the median.
Late first round should never be compared to early first round.
Pick 11-19 median games is 92 games.
Crozier and Sheridan are about par and add the fact that a third of the draft was unavailable.
Pitt was only a poor choice because of Darling. At the time, Darling partying and drinking was out of control. Pitt would be a best 22 atm without the heart condition.
Simpson was a poor choice and Grundy would have been better. But we did have Clarke at the time who looked promising.
Apeness was a stretch but injuries won't let him get on the park.
Weller great choice only Lever would have been better. Lever had injury concerns and being Victorian, Weller was a better pick at the time.
Hill pick at 3 has already played 190 games and the median is 153 games. Tick from me.
Morabito corrected pick atm but injuries (maybe blame the medical department).
Logue is on track. It takes 7 years to make 50 games and he has already played 13 games. In year 4 he will have been 3 years ahead. Tick from me.
Late first round should never be compared to early first round.
Pick 11-19 median games is 92 games.
Crozier and Sheridan are about par and add the fact that a third of the draft was unavailable.
Pitt was only a poor choice because of Darling. At the time, Darling partying and drinking was out of control. Pitt would be a best 22 atm without the heart condition.
Simpson was a poor choice and Grundy would have been better. But we did have Clarke at the time who looked promising.
Apeness was a stretch but injuries won't let him get on the park.
Weller great choice only Lever would have been better. Lever had injury concerns and being Victorian, Weller was a better pick at the time.
Hill pick at 3 has already played 190 games and the median is 153 games. Tick from me.
Morabito corrected pick atm but injuries (maybe blame the medical department).
Logue is on track. It takes 7 years to make 50 games and he has already played 13 games. In year 4 he will have been 3 years ahead. Tick from me.
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Ross is the type of coach who is driven by result , I think he would rush Rieldwolt ( eye problem ) and caddy back for home and away game a bit earlier than Dimma just for the point .
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Why would it take seven years to play 50 games? It takes, um, three.
Even with a year of development, getting dropped for a few games, five is the absolute most you'd give it for an average player to crack 50 games.
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A bit of underestimating Logue. Athletically he’s exceptional. Left footer. Tidy skills. Just needs to improve decision making. I’m not too worried about that selection. It’s rare a non-athletic player becomes a star. All the best players are / faster / stronger than their counterparts.
He’s a beast. Give him time. Once the confidence sky rockets he’ll be killing it.
He’s a beast. Give him time. Once the confidence sky rockets he’ll be killing it.
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He doesn't read the play.
What a joke that West Coast forum is too btw - said their midfield is pure, utter, vanilla and get banned. #soft
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Which is strange because he was quite good at that last year. I think we've tried to fill him with too many instructions too soon and he's struggled with it a bit. He certainly didn't play with a lot of natural instinct this year.
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you could argue Joel Hamling was a big miss too. Then Again, he might of never played more than 5-10 games for us being behind McPharlin, Johnson and dawson.
Kersten can be a serviceable player.
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I was surprised Freo got Logue early to be honest. I don't know if any other club would of go him in the 1st round.
I dont see him s a superstar. His versatility makes things interesting. I knew after Stephen Hills 1st season where he played all 22 games in 2008, e was going to be a 250 gamer for us. I see Logue playing 200-250 games as well.
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Kersten should not be on an AFL list.
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Lol, if you got banned for that our forum would be a ghost town, our mods aren't that precious. Pav your trolling is obvious however you can make a good discussion when you feel like it.
