Roast Our fitness department - highly offensive/offended

[Mr_Moogle]

CEY
I did hear that he thought he was playing this week.
Did something flare up at the last minute.
Or may not eligible for sanfl finals rest ane prepare for next year?
The more you delve into this at his club the more uncertainty withih

I've heard rumours he will retire because of this injury. The club either misreported the severity or it's possible that it's just one of those injuries where it's hard to pin down a time for recovery. I wouldn't blame people for being skeptical though given the club's recent track record for misreporting injuries.

 

[1970crow]

All I'm saying is HASS seems to be eluding all criticism. As head of Footy you'd think Burton would be too busy with other stuff to dabble in the nitty gritty of a fitness program. Pretty sure David Noble never had anything to do with it.

No but Noble did get involved in match day statistical duties because that was a particular passion of his. Burton would have developed the program when he arrived as head fitness guy. There's no way that Hass would have shelved Burton's program when he was promoted into Burton's original role. Any adjustments to that program would be made in consultation and with ultimate approval of Burton. They both need to go. Burton could be demoted back into his original role, but I'd then sack him from that. He failed in that role and failed in that role at Brisbane. And before we mention 2017 as being good with injuries, it simply wasn't. It's just that we didn't lose too many games from our best 15, but underneath them it was a disaster.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I think the reason most of us don't bring up Hass is because we know that If Burton got sacked, he'd be following him out the door anyway.

 

[jenny61_99]

No but Noble did get involved in match day statistical duties because that was a particular passion of his. Burton would have developed the program when he arrived as head fitness guy. There's no way that Hass would have shelved Burton's program when he was promoted into Burton's original role. Any adjustments to that program would be made in consultation and with ultimate approval of Burton. They both need to go. Burton could be demoted back into his original role, but I'd then sack him from that. He failed in that role and failed in that role at Brisbane. And before we mention 2017 as being good with injuries, it simply wasn't. It's just that we didn't lose too many games from our best 15, but underneath them it was a disaster.

I think the reason most of us don't bring up Hass is because we know that If Burton got sacked, he'd be following him out the door anyway.

Can't disagree with either of these.

 

[jackster83]

For all the bagging Trigg cops, Burton has inflicted far more damage in his short time in the role.

He is easily the biggest disaster that has happened to our club. We're now a basket case.

 

[1970crow]

I've heard rumours he will retire because of this injury. The club either misreported the severity or it's possible that it's just one of those injuries where it's hard to pin down a time for recovery. I wouldn't blame people for being skeptical though given the club's recent track record for misreporting injuries.

It's weird, anybody with any understanding of shin pain knows that it's not going to be a 1 week injury.

Hope it’s an impact injury. Sore shin would otherwise be a number of weeks out.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

It's weird, anybody with any understanding of shin pain knows that it's not going to be a 1 week injury.

I think I heard something about there being nerve damage. I don't think it's a typical shin injury.

 

[MRB37]

I will say in Hass's defence a little bit, the players do actually like him from what I was told. That's about the best thing i've heard about him though.

 

[John Who]

I think I heard something about there being nerve damage. I don't think it's a typical shin injury.

It seems like a stress fracture at the shin.

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[cleanhands]

I've heard rumours he will retire because of this injury. The club either misreported the severity or it's possible that it's just one of those injuries where it's hard to pin down a time for recovery. I wouldn't blame people for being skeptical though given the club's recent track record for misreporting injuries.

Did some digging re retire! CEY
Nothing been announced but still waiting on a contract has heard nothing from the club

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I will say in Hass's defence a little bit, the players do actually like him from what I was told. That's about the best thing i've heard about him though.

Players liking him really shouldn't factor into it at all.

 

[King Elvis]

I stress again the issue:
Player injury prognoses are done by medicos/specialists. I would be angered if the fact the doctors are estimating 6 weeks and Hass comes out and says 2 weeks, or if predicted 2 weeks by doctors and Hass comes out and says 2 months.

Also, ACLs was a perfect example of how prognosis can fluctuate wildly from person to person and to various treatments. Nick Malceski from Sydney, came back around 3 months after a LARS procedure in 2011. Although if on average, 6-12 months is the typical range to return to full contact sports.

This is just more nonsense from you - the only example you can bring up is LARS, which isn't relevant at all.

Well you can’t be saying gws and gc don’t have money but Hawthorn does. The AFL funds them both.

No, I am saying a competent medical department can make a huge difference in recovery time and fitness for selection.

 

[skam85]

This is just more nonsense from you - the only example you can bring up is LARS, which isn't relevant at all.



No, I am saying a competent medical department can make a huge difference in recovery time and fitness for selection.

The funniest part of that is that ACLs are the perfect example of a definitive timeframe for an injury, ie a complete 180 of a wild fluctuation of prognosis.

It's a 12 month injury pretty much every single time. In rare cases such as Alyssa Camplin, Tyson Goldsack, Dale Morris and Alex Rance it can be closer to 6-8 months but they are all massive outliers.

 

[jenny61_99]

This is just more nonsense from you - the only example you can bring up is LARS, which isn't relevant at all.



No, I am saying a competent medical department can make a huge difference in recovery time and fitness for selection.

A competent medical team will not lessen the time required to heal. They will, however, ensure the right practices are in place to aide your recovery. I believe we changed that up this year with the hiring of the very qualified Steve Saunders. And we only had two or three injuries that did not go to plan as opposed to last years ridiculous number.

 

[King Elvis]

A competent medical team will not lessen the time required to heal. They will, however, ensure the right practices are in place to aide your recovery.

You contradict yourself within two sentences. So they will ensure minimal recovery time, or they won't?

What if they don't ensure the right practises are in place, and they significant extend the recovery time?

 

[AFC3000]

I can believe Hass was the best candidate they could get with short notice (with the best people already contracted elsewhere) IF the plan was Burton (who they still believed was good at it) was going to assist for 12 months and during that time we would be actively looking for the actual best person for the job.

But everyone just shuffled up in the order and I think we brought someone in at the ground level.

I guess how often do we move on people towards the top who are doing even an OK job.

Apparently we are a "have" club, can we list the people who have been brought in to do a job they had successfully done elsewhere? It wouldn't be long.

 

[King Elvis]

I can believe Hass was the best candidate they could get with short notice (with the best people already contracted elsewhere) IF the plan was Burton (who they still believed was good at it) was going to assist for 12 months and during that time we would be actively looking for the actual best person for the job.

But everyone just shuffled up in the order and I think we brought someone in at the ground level.

I guess how often do we move on people towards the top who are doing even an OK job.

Apparently we are a "have" club, can we list the people who have been brought in to do a job they had successfully done elsewhere? It wouldn't be long.

We already had the best person for the job, we pissed him off by promoting an incompetent, inexperienced ******* above him.

 

[thebirdman 24]

I bet all the players love Hass. He barely makes them do any fitness work, hence why we can't run out games and concedes so many goals late in quarters. This is evidenced by our lack of running compared to opposition teams, as well as our running at high speed...

You could also make the argument our players are lazy, which I don't think anyone would object to this year.

 

[jenny61_99]

You contradict yourself within two sentences. So they will ensure minimal recovery time, or they won't?

What if they don't ensure the right practises are in place, and they significant extend the recovery time?

Look I give up. You are right. I was wrong. Let’s move on.

 

[King Elvis]

You could also make the argument our players are lazy, which I don't think anyone would object to this year.

Don't think our players are lazy - they've been superfit before, they're clearly prepared to do the hard work.

 

[thebirdman 24]

Don't think our players are lazy - they've been superfit before, they're clearly prepared to do the hard work.

Maybe the coaches are not motivating our players to go longer and harder than the opposition.

In either scenario, something needs to change.

 

[John Who]

This is just more nonsense from you - the only example you can bring up is LARS, which isn't relevant at all.



No, I am saying a competent medical department can make a huge difference in recovery time and fitness for selection.

You’re starting to show more than a hint of tunnel vision.

You said ACLs are not recoverable within 6 months. I showed you an example where it can take as early as 3 months and you’re saying the LARS procedure was irrelevant? Why can’t you just admit you’re wrong based on actual facts?

Of course competent doctors would improve your chance of recovery, but that doesn’t mean the recovery time is always predictable on an individual basis.

If you go through all the ACLs in footy, the number of days to return to AFL varies from player to player. “12 months” is a rough estimate, not definitive for the majority.

 

[John Who]

The funniest part of that is that ACLs are the perfect example of a definitive timeframe for an injury, ie a complete 180 of a wild fluctuation of prognosis.

It's a 12 month injury pretty much every single time. In rare cases such as Alyssa Camplin, Tyson Goldsack, Dale Morris and Alex Rance it can be closer to 6-8 months but they are all massive outliers.

12 months is just a nice round number to predict. Reality is that players return usually earlier than that and at varying rates.

 

[King Elvis]

You said ACLs are not recoverable within 6 months. I showed you an example where it can take as early as 3 months and you’re saying the LARS procedure was irrelevant? Why can’t you just admit you’re wrong based on actual facts?

How common is LARS?

Why can't you admit you're wrong, instead of making irrelevant and meaningless comparisons, you clown?

You said ACLs are not recoverable within 6 months.

Where did I say this?

And re ACLs, I can't think of too many players who have returned after 6 months? 12 full months is the commonly accepted period - again, there might be a small variation, but it sure as s**t isn't half.

I didn't say it never happened, I said it was extremely uncommon.

If you're going to try and prove me wrong, at least quote me accurately.

 

[1970crow]

How common is LARS?

Why can't you admit you're wrong, instead of making irrelevant and meaningless comparisons, you clown?



Where did I say this?



I didn't say it never happened, I said it was extremely uncommon.

If you're going to try and prove me wrong, at least quote me accurately.

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