Amongst the best 3 or 4 in the league in his last few seasons from memory.You can say bad things about Gia but he was a pretty good set shot IIRC
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Amongst the best 3 or 4 in the league in his last few seasons from memory.You can say bad things about Gia but he was a pretty good set shot IIRC
In our losses they've all pressed up the ground to help our midfield when we are struggling then we have no one to kick to when we do get it at half forward. Or we have played small and been outmarked regularly (common theme in our Hawthorn, Norf and GWS losses)Our forward structure has been basically non-existent this year.
Something something great minds I just posted something similar in the autopsy thread. The shock factor of men of mayhem could really be a match winner for us. Teams come out expecting us to outnumber around the contest and set up accordingly defensively, and then boom! Their entire gameplan is in disarray.In our losses they've all pressed up the ground to help our midfield when we are struggling then we have no one to kick to when we do get it at half forward. Or we have played small and been outmarked regularly (common theme in our Hawthorn, Norf and GWS losses)
Tonight was the former, we lost all structure because our half forwards ran upfield trying to help the midfield out. Ruggles, Bartel, Henderson etc had field days down back tonight. On the rare occasion someone brought it to ground we had no one at the drop of the ball and Geelongs rebounders mopped up time and time again.
There has to be a happy medium with the team in regards to attacking like keeping the structure in place so we aren't outmarked, but being able to do it at ground level also and keep the pressure up. It's just non-existent in losses.
I was a big fan of men of mayhem last year, bring it back and make teams turn it over in our forward half again, even if it's only for a quarter of each game due to the energy demands it requires, the surprise element is the big thing and many a scoreboard damage can be done in that amount of time.
What do you see as the main failure of our forward line ? What can be fixed ? And why GIA isn't that person for the job?Gia got the job coz we couldn't afford anyone else
We have the basis of a very very good team so let's go and get a real forward coach and stop the jobs for mates.
In our losses they've all pressed up the ground to help our midfield when we are struggling then we have no one to kick to when we do get it at half forward. Or we have played small and been outmarked regularly (common theme in our Hawthorn, Norf and GWS losses)
I agree that it was the former yesterday and to compound the problem our best 2 run and carry line breakers from half back are out with injury. It compounds it because with the forwards up to help the struggling midfielders and no one to kick to forward if we win it back, the best way to effectively get the ball forward and negate their free defenders is to run it at and through them. Or ability to run through the ground has been severely compromised with Murph and JJ out and is taking away one method of overcoming a situation where our midfield is getting beaten, as it was yesterday.In our losses they've all pressed up the ground to help our midfield when we are struggling then we have no one to kick to when we do get it at half forward. Or we have played small and been outmarked regularly (common theme in our Hawthorn, Norf and GWS losses)
Tonight was the former, we lost all structure because our half forwards ran upfield trying to help the midfield out. Ruggles, Bartel, Henderson etc had field days down back tonight. On the rare occasion someone brought it to ground we had no one at the drop of the ball and Geelongs rebounders mopped up time and time again.
Yep, I was saying in the stands last night if we play this way we need pace and we need a Suckling/Stringer type across half forward free to finish the job.I agree that it was the former yesterday and to compound the problem our best 2 run and carry line breakers from half back are out with injury. It compounds it because with the forwards up to help the struggling midfielders and no one to kick to forward if we win it back, the best way to effectively get the ball forward and negate their free defenders is to run it at and through them. Or ability to run through the ground has been severely compromised with Murph and JJ out and is taking away one method of overcoming a situation where our midfield is getting beaten, as it was yesterday.
I think if we're losing the midfield and we're up against a quality team it's one way, perhaps even the best way, of getting out of it. If we're winning the midfield and clearances it becomes less of an issue as weight of (quality) possession will eventually tell in our favour.Yep, I was saying in the stands last night if we play this way we need pace and we need a Suckling/Stringer type across half forward free to finish the job.
Run it through their zone then have a ping from 50 takes out their loose defenders, I don't like playing that way but against an experienced side like Geelong it potentially can work.
Funny last night 4 of our 5 goals came from 45-55m out, only Jong goaled from within 30m, the 3rd quarter they used their brains but the rest of the game, nope.
FWIW Geelong nailed 8 goals that were of low probability, 6 of their goals came from at least 45m out while Hawkins nailed 2 extremely difficult shots from the pocket also, it was a charmed night out for them in that regard
Yep, I was saying in the stands last night if we play this way we need pace and we need a Suckling/Stringer type across half forward free to finish the job.
Run it through their zone then have a ping from 50 takes out their loose defenders, I don't like playing that way but against an experienced side like Geelong it potentially can work.
Funny last night 4 of our 5 goals came from 45-55m out, only Jong goaled from within 30m, the 3rd quarter they used their brains but the rest of the game, nope.
FWIW Geelong nailed 8 goals that were of low probability, 6 of their goals came from at least 45m out while Hawkins nailed 2 extremely difficult shots from the pocket also, it was a charmed night out for them in that regard
I agree, it was disappointing but seemed to be a common theme the whole night, particularly in the first halfThe fact that they kicked well for goal, just highlights how poor our Goal kicking is. We continually miss easy shots and rarely kick even moderately difficult shots.
We should be nailing the easy shots with a high percentage and give ourselves fair chance of success with the moderate shots.
IMO it's a mental/confidence thing, nothing more. We came off a 15.10 game last week for example
I agree, it was disappointing but seemed to be a common theme the whole night, particularly in the first half
IMO it's a mental/confidence thing, nothing more. We came off a 15.10 game last week for example
IMO Hunter is the player who needs the most work on his conversion, the rest have shown they are capable
What do you see as the main failure of our forward line ? What can be fixed ? And why GIA isn't that person for the job?
Yep, I was saying in the stands last night if we play this way we need pace and we need a Suckling/Stringer type across half forward free to finish the job.
Run it through their zone then have a ping from 50 takes out their loose defenders, I don't like playing that way but against an experienced side like Geelong it potentially can work.
Funny last night 4 of our 5 goals came from 45-55m out, only Jong goaled from within 30m, the 3rd quarter they used their brains but the rest of the game, nope.
FWIW Geelong nailed 8 goals that were of low probability, 6 of their goals came from at least 45m out while Hawkins nailed 2 extremely difficult shots from the pocket also, it was a charmed night out for them in that regard
Yep, this is a major by product of our injuries, other players are being forced to step up and play a role that they can do but isn't necessarily their strengths.I feel like suckling was brought in to address that problem but has been forced to play HB due to necessity.
Hopefully after the bye with JJ and wood he can play this role a bit more
So Sav Rocca reckons he can straighten bad kicks up. Would the club be willing to cough up $10k?
Personally think it's a great investment. Could make us a 20 point a game better side.
I don't think you should class Hird with Bucks and Voss for coaches. Disregarding his obvious controversies, as a coach his mind for the game was just unbelievable, and I reckon he definitely could've rocketed the Bombers to a finals position had it not been for the supplements scandal. I agree that coaches should go far and wide for knowledge, but Hird was on another level.We push up far too much and leave one big back against 3 so we either all need to push up and work back together or leave more than 1 at home. When our plan a struggles we push back to far to help our backs and leave our forwards exposed and they arnt quick so we can't even get over the back.
I've never liked Gia but the biggest issue with him is he has NEVER been to another club so how can he have learnt anything other than what the dogs have taught him? Every coach needs to learn his craft at a different club. Look at the senior coaches who have only stayed at one club and how they went, Buckley? Hird? Voss? It at ge same for line. coaches
As long as it's incentive based... per set shot goals kicked in a gameSo Sav Rocca reckons he can straighten bad kicks up. Would the club be willing to cough up $10k?
Personally think it's a great investment. Could make us a 20 point a game better side.