Injury Our Injury List

[SaintsSeptember]

Its too late to suggest such a thread is the cause of bad luck, and there are so many i'm losing track of it all.

If i'm wrong or missing anything let me know and i'll edit this OP.

Phillipou. 27 Jan. Stress Fracture , Right Femur. Current Status - no load. Expected return: Round 9 - Round 13. Round 7.
Marshall 27 Jan. Stress Fracture , Pelvis. Current Status - ? Expected return : Early March ( 3-4 weeks - Feb12)
15/2 Jogging. - Running around cones -18/2. Light ruck work 20/2. Full training 27/2

Clark Groin , Current Status- Running - Running drills 15/2 might be ok.

King 7 Feb , Knee, Current status - Cleared of strucural damage - Expected return maybe mid Feb. ( 1-2 weeks ).
- 15/2 some running training, finishing early. Arthroscope done late Feb. Maybe back round 1 or 2.

Dow from 2024. Infection after knee surgery. Current Status , adding load to training. Expected return : Unknown.
Howard : Dislocated Shoulder . Shoulder surgery Week 1 Feb, Gym work ( Feb12 ), Expected return : Unknown. ( probably six months minimum ). Round 8-9
Henry : Knee. Cartilage? Current Status : cycling : Expected Return , probably not round 1 . Who knows. Close to training with main group. (Feb12). 6 weeks from Feb12.
Tauru : Back Stress fractures? : Current Status - running and drills , Expected return , Round 1 to Round 3. Round 4 - Round 6.
Barrat : Maybe the flu, maybe a minor injury, back soon we hope. 15/2 training with main group.
Boyd, Pec injury Running with rehab group( early feb. Full Training 15/2.
Wood : 7th Feb ,Quad Strain , Current status - Cleared of serious damage , time to return , by round 1. ( 3 weeks from Feb12 ).Running Laps 15/2. Full Training 27/2

Sinclair 7th Feb , Hamstring, Current status - Cleared of serious damage, time to return -by round 1 .( 4 weeks from Feb12). Running laps 15/2.

Jones : ???? Running. Seems fine. 20/2
Caminiti: ???? Running. Full training 20/2.
Boxhall ??? Running with rehab group. Seems fine 20/2
Windhager running laps??? Seemed to be ok on 18/2

Sharman 1/3/25 : Broken Finger, TBA.

Owens : Shoulder 1/3/25 , joint is stable, chance for round 1.

Carroll : Calf Rehab group 27/2 . Should be back week ending 7th March.

I won't be updating those in green unless there is a setback or another injury.

 

[Sol Goodman]

Thanks for this SS, makes it easier to monitor.
This has been an issue since last preseason. Is it just coincidence? Is it over training at the wrong time or the year? Is it strength conditioning program? Who knows. But they should know. And I'd like some answers.

 

[Joffaboy]

Its too late to suggest such a thread is the cause of bad luck, and there are so many i'm losing track of it all.

If i'm wrong or missing anything let me know and i'll edit this OP.

Phillipou. 27 Jan. Stress Fracture , Right Femur. Current Status - no load. Expected return: Round 9 - Round 13.
Marshall 27 Jan. Stress Fracture , Pelvis. Current Status - ? Expected return : Round 1.
Clark ??? Groin , Current Status- Running - Expected return : one week.
King 7 Feb , Knee, Current status - diagnosis.
Dow from 2024. Infection after knee surgery. Current Status , adding load to training. Expected return : Unknown.
Howard : Dislocated Shoulder . Expected return : Unknown. ( probably six months minimum ).
Henry : Knee. Cartilage? Current Status : cycling : Expected Return , Maybe round 1.
Tauru : Back Stress fractures? : Current Status - running and drills , Expected return , Round 1 to Round 3.
Barrat : Maybe the flu, maybe a minor injury, back soon we hope.
Boyd, Pec injury? ???
Wood : 7th Feb ,Quad Strain , Current status - Diagnosis.
Sinclair 7th Feb , Hamstring, Current status - Diagnosis.
Jones : ???? Running.
Caminiti: ???? Running.

32 % of the list.

Said???
Boxhall???
Armstrong???

Henry no chance R1
Boyd running with rehab group
Clark running hard, looking fit
Said played I think
Boxhall rehab group running hard
Jones looked ready
Hammer looked ready
Who is Armstrong?

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[Munga]

Thanks for this SS, makes it easier to monitor.
This has been an issue since last preseason. Is it just coincidence? Is it over training at the wrong time or the year? Is it strength conditioning program? Who knows. But they should know. And I'd like some answers.

Didn't this medical staff member cripple their previous club too? I seem to recall feeling sick reading the reviews from those fans.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Henry no chance R1
Boyd running with rehab group
Clark running hard, looking fit
Said played I think
Boxhall rehab group running hard
Jones looked ready
Hammer looked ready
Who is Armstrong?

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LOL i just realised that Armstrong is the irish guy who will be finishing school before turning up mid-year.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Didn't this medical staff member cripple their previous club too? I seem to recall feeling sick reading the reviews from those fans.

Misson was stkilda's conditioning guy in 2009, where we had excellent medical results. ( He'd previously been at Sydney ).
He then went to Melbourne, where they claimed he was terrible. But he was there a long time.

 

[sauce_head]

Its too late to suggest such a thread is the cause of bad luck, and there are so many i'm losing track of it all.

If i'm wrong or missing anything let me know and i'll edit this OP.

Phillipou. 27 Jan. Stress Fracture , Right Femur. Current Status - no load. Expected return: Round 9 - Round 13.
Marshall 27 Jan. Stress Fracture , Pelvis. Current Status - ? Expected return : Round 1.
Clark Groin , Current Status- Running - Expected return : one week.
King 7 Feb , Knee, Current status - diagnosis.
Dow from 2024. Infection after knee surgery. Current Status , adding load to training. Expected return : Unknown.
Howard : Dislocated Shoulder . Expected return : Unknown. ( probably six months minimum ).
Henry : Knee. Cartilage? Current Status : cycling : Expected Return , probably not round 1 . Who knows.
Tauru : Back Stress fractures? : Current Status - running and drills , Expected return , Round 1 to Round 3.
Barrat : Maybe the flu, maybe a minor injury, back soon we hope.
Boyd, Pec injury Running with rehab group.
Wood : 7th Feb ,Quad Strain , Current status - Diagnosis.
Sinclair 7th Feb , Hamstring, Current status - Diagnosis.
Jones : ???? Running.
Caminiti: ???? Running.
Boxhall ??? Running with rehab group.

34 % of the list.

Did you miss Wood?

FFS THIS IS DIRE.

(Edit - no you didn’t)

 

[SaintsofSteel]

15 out 44 players not in full training and there is nothing wrong? As sad as it is l feel completely vindicated of my early call that there are issues....

 

[Ricmel]

Makes sad reading.

My guess is nothing sinister going on. These days by necessity AFL players have to train on the edge. That is going to mean injuries and if you look at the list, there is no common theme. Some years you are just going to get bad luck.

 

[beside the seaside]

15 out 44 players not in full training and there is nothing wrong? As sad as it is l feel completely vindicated of my early call that there are issues....

Is it actually different to other clubs? We're talking about knowledge of the slightest niggle, if you look on other club training reviews they probably all have guys at different stages of training. Some of the guys listed above are actually back in full training eg Jones and Clark so let's not go over the top.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

Is it actually different to other clubs? We're talking about knowledge of the slightest niggle, if you look on other club training reviews they probably all have guys at different stages of training. Some of the guys listed above are actually back in full training eg Jones and Clark so let's not go over the top.

Sorry of course its okay we have a 3rd of the list not complete a decent preseason, because some other clubs might be the same! Silly me...

 

[Nutsngum]

Sorry of course its okay we have a 3rd of the list not complete a decent preseason, because some other clubs might be the same! Silly me...

If the other clubs are having similar issues with getting full pre-seasons into their players then its an industry wide issue and not specific with the club.

 

[wannabewinner]

I think in 2009, players were strategically managed and given rest when they started showing signs of being physically stressed including weeks off.

Not sure that is happening now. It’s all brutal and pedal to the metal from the training reports.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

If the other clubs are having similar issues with getting full pre-seasons into their players then its an industry wide issue and not specific with the club.

I DAGF about other clubs, they can do what the like. What affects our club and players is my concern and if our players are breaking down it doesnt make it RIGHT or OK because other clubs are having the same issues.

 

[Nutsngum]

I DAGF about other clubs, they can do what the like. What affects our club and players is my concern and if our players are breaking down it doesnt make it RIGHT or OK because other clubs are having the same issues.

Because you cant make commentary in a vaccum. A third of the list is in various stages of fitness, some very minor with little effect on their round 1 chances and some with far more serious injuries. Unless you're comparing them against the other lists and what the average expectation is you dont have any sort of basis to go on.

So im asking you, are our training methods producing more injuries then other clubs?

 

[SaintsofSteel]

Because you cant make commentary in a vaccum. A third of the list is in various stages of fitness, some very minor with little effect on their round 1 chances and some with far more serious injuries. Unless you're comparing them against the other lists and what the average expectation is you dont have any sort of basis to go on.

So im asking you, are our training methods producing more injuries then other clubs?

And I repeat I dont care, while we are getting injuries that is too many...its not that hard really.

Using your measure Brisbane had 5 x players do ACL last year - so thats exceptable for that to occur at Moorabbin, because it is a leading industry standard. I dont think so....

 

[Nutsngum]

And I repeat I dont care, while we are getting injuries that is too many...its not that hard really.

Using your measure Brisbane had 5 x players do ACL last year - so thats exceptable for that to occur at Moorabbin, because it is a leading industry standard. I dont think so....

So you're saying that their training standards, which led to a premiership, is unacceptable?

 

[jwikked]

I wonder if instead of trying to reach peak fitness and footy before round 1, if we'd be better off trying to time our run from round 3 or 4 onwards. It's not good to start a year 0-3, but it makes sense to me (at least) that perhaps that extra time ramping up would benefit us for the rest of the year.

 

[Saints4ever]

They are not robots and their is going to be injuries.

Unfortunately that’s just the way it is and we have to accept it and hope our game plan will be able to cover any injuries that pop up.

I can promise you their will be more injuries whether that’s in season or preseason they can’t be avoided.

 

[Max the great]

They are not robots and their is going to be injuries.

Unfortunately that’s just the way it is and we have to accept it and hope our game plan will be able to cover any injuries that pop up.

I can promise you their will be more injuries whether that’s in season or preseason they can’t be avoided.

Thank you for spreading that profound bit of wisdom

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[Imtellingya]

I think in 2009, players were strategically managed and given rest when they started showing signs of being physically stressed including weeks off.

Not sure that is happening now. It’s all brutal and pedal to the metal from the training reports.

I think it would be the other way round. Players are very carefully managed now and their loads are measured. You just have to see all the different activity on training days

 

[SaintsofSteel]

If the AFL are looking at match simulations in the preseason due to concussions, surely our club should get ahead to the curve and address the concerns. Caminiti is out at the moment because of concssion protocols, how many concussions has he already suffered as a young player.

‘Confused, frustrated’: Clubs reportedly miffed by AFL concussion memo amid possible change

‘Confused, frustrated’: AFL ‘concussion ladder’ causes stir with clubs as change looms

www.foxsports.com.au

Just because other clubs are doing something in the preseason preparation, doesnt make it right or that there arent other alternatives.

 

[wannabewinner]

I think it would be the other way round. Players are very carefully managed now and their loads are measured. You just have to see all the different activity on training days

No miracle
Mark Stevens | May 09, 2009 12:00am
St Kilda has not gone as far as chaining Lenny Hayes to the boundary fence, but strong words from the fitness staff have had the same effect.
Hayes, in many ways the flag-bearer for the Saints' high-intensity style, is rarely sighted on the training track early in the week. "We've probably learnt to say, 'OK, for the first training session, we're not going to let you train'," St Kilda's strength and conditioning chief David Misson said yesterday.

Misson allows Hayes the pleasure of some stationary ball-work and a light jog, but that's it. "To ask Lenny to take it easy during a training session, it's against the grain a bit with him - every time he steps out, he gives you 110 per cent," Misson said. "But it's too much of a risk on our part to let him out there. "Lenny is a really good example. He just leaves nothing out there on game day, so he's just ticking over during the week."
Hayes has plenty of teammates following the "go hard, then freshen up" theory.

Filling space, tackling and applying relentless pressure is leaving the players spent, but the Saints are comfortable easing off during the week.

Former St Kilda star Austinn Jones alluded to Misson's mission in his role as ABC radio commentator last weekend. "It's definitely a high-intensity game. I speak to the players and they're not doing a lot during the week," Jones said. "They're obviously getting their reward with the workrate they are putting out in a game - it gives them the opportunity to freshen up and get their minds right to prepare for the next game. "Perhaps the workrate in their legs isn't what 12 or 13 other clubs are doing."

GPS data, gleaned in two visits to AAMI Stadium, confirms the Saints players are extracting significantly more from their bodies this year. "There is no doubt, based on the GPS work we have done, that they are working harder during games," Misson said. "What it showed was that top-end running and the ability to repeat that top-end running."

Although the roof at Etihad Stadium renders GPS equipment useless, Misson has seen enough to know that the intensity has gone to new levels. "Because we are working really hard during games, the guys need to be fresh going into games," he said. "I think you're better off being a little bit underdone going into a game rather than overdone. "The days of having big sessions during the week to improve fitness, I think, are gone.
"The coach (Ross Lyon) is obviously doing what he needs to do in regards to structures and game plan, but there is a bit of a de-emphasis on volume during the week. "We are doing a bit more in the weights room and off-legs conditioning, which doesn't tax the legs. "What it is about is knowing where your players are at day to day . . . monitoring muscle soreness and health."

Misson has overseen two pre-seasons at the Saints after seven years at Sydney, where he turned the Swans into the most durable team in the competition.

For the second pre-season, heading into this year, there was a rejig to suit Lyon's tinkering with the team's game style. "We set Hawthorn and Geelong as benchmarks and through the pre-season, the aim was to train like we wanted to play," Misson said. "We did a lot of monitoring, investigation and research into how we wanted to train. It was a strong focus and a simple one. "As Robert Harvey always said, 'You're going to play how you train'. "We had three weeks less this pre-season than last because we made a prelim final. "We just felt we really needed to be spot on. We probably did a bit less base-volume work with our running and got into the skills stuff a little bit sooner."

Misson said the Saints' zoning style was a little less taxing from a running standpoint, given players, at times, are filling space. But he said the effort put into tackling and harassing, which the Saints have taken to a new level this year, can take a heavy toll. "At the end of the day, it is contested footy that is still going to win you games so the emphasis there is on your tackling and pressure skills," he said. "That obviously takes more out of you than most things you do on game day."

St Kilda's fitness resources have come a long way since the days of the "training services" crew. The new board has delivered on its pledge to beef up the football department, including the sports science area.
The investment to resurface Moorabbin has also been a major factor.
"It's made a big difference, where we can walk out on to a pristine playing surface," Misson said. "Even compared to Sydney it is great. We were struggling with ground hardness at the SCG and with a cricket pitch in the middle. "This is fantastic."

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Its too late to suggest such a thread is the cause of bad luck, and there are so many i'm losing track of it all.

If i'm wrong or missing anything let me know and i'll edit this OP.

Phillipou. 27 Jan. Stress Fracture , Right Femur. Current Status - no load. Expected return: Round 9 - Round 13.
Marshall 27 Jan. Stress Fracture , Pelvis. Current Status - ? Expected return : Round 1.
Clark Groin , Current Status- Running - Expected return : one week.
King 7 Feb , Knee, Current status - Cleared of strucural damage - Club not telling what he's got .
Dow from 2024. Infection after knee surgery. Current Status , adding load to training. Expected return : Unknown.
Howard : Dislocated Shoulder . Expected return : Unknown. ( probably six months minimum ).
Henry : Knee. Cartilage? Current Status : cycling : Expected Return , probably not round 1 . Who knows.
Tauru : Back Stress fractures? : Current Status - running and drills , Expected return , Round 1 to Round 3.
Barrat : Maybe the flu, maybe a minor injury, back soon we hope.
Boyd, Pec injury Running with rehab group.
Wood : 7th Feb ,Quad Strain , Current status - Cleared of serious damage , time to return unknown.
Sinclair 7th Feb , Hamstring, Current status - Cleared of serious damage, time to return -unknown.
Jones : ???? Running.
Caminiti: ???? Running.
Boxhall ??? Running with rehab group.

34 % of the list.

Have seen footage of Henry running laps & also participating in a training drill.

 

[Joffaboy]

Have seen footage of Henry running laps & also participating in a training drill.

Hasn't been doing that for a week. Consigned to the bike only in the gym.

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