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[sloth6]

It was one bloke who wondered why the hell on earth we drafted Bryan!

Please don't dump the rest of us with him!

 

[doppleganger]

I only write off the ones who have no ability and no chance of cementing a spot at this level. I don't write off the ones who have the potential to make it, althought that does not necessarily mean they will.

It seems u write off all the blokes who aren't flashy talented blokes, u need a mixture of them and workhorses in ur team

I have said all along with Toovey that I don't see what his attributes are. He can't kick, he has no awareness, he doesn't read the play, he has poor visision, he can't hold his feet. All he can do is run pretty much- like I said, if that is his only attribute, then we may as well recruit Steve Monaghetti. And don't give me this hardness and intensity crap, that is a given for all players if they want to make it at this level. You have to do more than work hard and show good intensity to make it at this level, it's not Wonthaggi 3rds remember, its AFL.

Toovey's attributes are that he can run all day, has good pace, decent size 190cm, the desire to play for the woods, listen to instructions, puts his head over the ball

Sure blokes like Egan and Lonie are much more skillful and talented than guys like Licca, Toovey and O'Bree........but blokes like Licca work harder on their game and have a desire to get the best out of themselves, they are the blokes who u want to have playing in ur team as u know they wont lie down and they will keep fighting

Licca won two Copeland trophies, one in a GF year becuase he worked hard and gave his all every single game........sure he was nicknamed NATO for a while and his kicking and pace aren't elite, but he would run all day and absolutely bust his gut every game for the woods........Toovey could turn into a similar type tagger for the pies.....i remember Licca's game in the 02 QF over in Port Adelaide, he was absolutely brilliant.....yet he was still a poor kick and not that fast, he just willed himself on the game, and kept busting his gut all game, that is what Toovey may bring to the side, and is something that guys like L.Davis, Egan, Lonie dont.

Not taking a pot shot at Egan as i also thought he was good at the end of 06, but he simply doesn't work as hard, or get as much out of himself that a bloke like Toovey does

 

[TheBushranger]

It seems u write off all the blokes who aren't flashy talented blokes, u need a mixture of them and workhorses in ur team



Toovey's attributes are that he can run all day, has good pace, decent size 190cm, the desire to play for the woods, listen to instructions, puts his head over the ball

Sure blokes like Egan and Lonie are much more skillful and talented than guys like Licca, Toovey and O'Bree........but blokes like Licca work harder on their game and have a desire to get the best out of themselves, they are the blokes who u want to have playing in ur team as u know they wont lie down and they will keep fighting

Licca won two Copeland trophies, one in a GF year becuase he worked hard and gave his all every single game........sure he was nicknamed NATO for a while and his kicking and pace aren't elite, but he would run all day and absolutely bust his gut every game for the woods........Toovey could turn into a similar type tagger for the pies.....i remember Licca's game in the 02 QF over in Port Adelaide, he was absolutely brilliant.....yet he was still a poor kick and not that fast, he just willed himself on the game, and kept busting his gut all game, that is what Toovey may bring to the side, and is something that guys like L.Davis, Egan, Lonie dont.

Not taking a pot shot at Egan as i also thought he was good at the end of 06, but he simply doesn't work as hard, or get as much out of himself that a bloke like Toovey does

I agree with you that we need a mixture. I am a fan of O'Bree's big time and to a lesser degree Licuria, but you can't mention Toovey in the same breathe as those 2, he is nowhere at their level and I can't see him getting to their level.

 

[toommy]

I agree with you that we need a mixture. I am a fan of O'Bree's big time and to a lesser degree Licuria, but you can't mention Toovey in the same breathe as those 2, he is nowhere at their level and I can't see him getting to their level.

licca's kicking and tooveys are on a par

 

[TheBushranger]

licca's kicking and tooveys are on a par

Not from what I've seen. From what I've seen, Licura is a far better kick.

 

[doppleganger]

I agree with you that we need a mixture. I am a fan of O'Bree's big time and to a lesser degree Licuria, but you can't mention Toovey in the same breathe as those 2, he is nowhere at their level and I can't see him getting to their level.

Yes because Licca and O'Bree are what 28 - 29 or so and Toovey is 20

Toovey has greater pace, and height than Licca......which will benefit him going forward.

Toovey seems to share Licca's work ethic and coachability, ie give him a role and he puts all his effort into it

Will Toovey ever be a flashy HF flank who is capable of breaking open a game.....No, but will Egan ever develop into a bloke who we can rely on to blanket the opposition star out of the game....No

Id be willing to back in Toovey becoming a quality tagger who we can rely on to do big shut down jobs, than Egan becoming a consistent HF who produces week in week out!

Talent only gets u so far in AFL, making it in the AFL is about work ethic and giving it your all, Toovey seems to be doing this so far, so i am happy with him.

 

[TheBushranger]

Yes because Licca and O'Bree are what 28 - 29 or so and Toovey is 20

Toovey has greater pace, and height than Licca......which will benefit him going forward.

Toovey seems to share Licca's work ethic and coachability, ie give him a role and he puts all his effort into it

Will Toovey ever be a flashy HF flank who is capable of breaking open a game.....No, but will Egan ever develop into a bloke who we can rely on to blanket the opposition star out of the game....No

Id be willing to back in Toovey becoming a quality tagger who we can rely on to do big shut down jobs, than Egan becoming a consistent HF who produces week in week out!

Talent only gets u so far in AFL, making it in the AFL is about work ethic and giving it your all, Toovey seems to be doing this so far, so i am happy with him.

Okay, keep deluding yourself.

 

[doppleganger]

Okay, keep deluding yourself.

No delusion. I will just keep supporting a kid playing for Collingwood who gives their all every week.

 

[AsianWithAFro]

At the end of the day we have kids developing players like Egan, Pendelbury, Thomas, Dick, Toovey, Cox, Goldsack, Stanely, Brown and Reid as they all have time to prove themselves. Be happy with all these young kids because there best kids the club has got in a long time.

 

[toommy]

Not from what I've seen. From what I've seen, Licura is a far better kick.

licca has a better action but the result god help you if you were a forward. clokes numbers on the lead increased as soon as licca did a hammy. you only dislike toovey because he has a spaz kicking action there fore he is a shit kick

 

[Since1864]

I personally think you guys have one of the most exciting and lists with the most potential in the coming years. Look forward to more great contests down the track.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I personally think you guys have one of the most exciting and lists with the most potential in the coming years. Look forward to more great contests down the track.

I like this guy

We should have some absolute thrillers down the track. Looking forward to the 2010 GF.