Our local rival revealed.

[dlanod]

You obviously know little about football history.

The reason the Port Adelaide Magpies are today wearing mostly black along with teal and a bit of white and are called the Power is solely as a result of the lobbying of Collingwood.

I know perfectly well about Collingwood and Port and their spat over black and white. As I said...

You point towards one of only two clubs (Essendon being the other) that has shit fests every time they don't get their way, be it jumper (clash or otherwise)

But then you've got it pretty much covered in the next bit of your rant...

Of course Club's can influence the AFL. The AFL Commission is there as a representation of the 16 Clubs. The fact that Brisbane basically never stands up for itself is an indication of the weakness of the Club.

Give me an Essendon or a Collingwood any day that will fight for their own heritage over absolute corporate co@ks@ckers

Then **** off and support them then. Again, as I said in my last post,

there's a reason Collingwood has bugger all respect from the rest of the comp on matters like this.

 

[weevil]

Easy fellas.

 

[Chezzalenko Reborn]

Whats a coaksacker?

I'll go now

 

[Scubaveg]

They will be wearing their white jumper when they play away to us (it says so on the AFL website), which in turn must mean we will have to wear the White Jumper of Surrender when we play 'away' (at the GABBA) to them.

While their jumpers actually look pinkish-red in real life, everyone knows that jumper colours can change subtly over the years.

What p*sses me off no end, is that Our Club allowed Gold Coast to have almost the same colours as ours. Red, Blue and Gold vs. Maroon (and Red in Victoria), Blue and Gold.

What do we do in response? Defend our brand, our heritage, our colours. No, we change our logo and jumpers (adding a lot more blue), in a complete and utter act of surrender and stupidity.


http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=726520

Mate you run out this same old crap at every opportunity. Our history is not just Fitzroy, it's about time you recognised we are just as much the Brisbane Bears as we are Fitzroy.

 

[Stocka]

Mate you run out this same old crap at every opportunity. Our history is not just Fitzroy, it's about time you recognised we are just as much the Brisbane Bears as we are Fitzroy.

In what part of the post that you quoted did LOTR make this merely a "Fitzroy" issue?

I was pretty sure that he was talking about the Brisbane Lions, to be honest.

 

[Scubaveg]

The away and clash guernseys are good. The home one is a bit McDonalds, and boring.

Agree

 

[Scubaveg]

In what part of the post that you quoted did LOTR make this merely a "Fitzroy" issue?

I was pretty sure that he was talking about the Brisbane Lions, to be honest.

LOTR has a history of this crap, its implied all through the thread, read the Jumper thread, I'm sick and tired of the oh wo us Fitzroy crap. Move with the times. Get on board or piss off.

 

[Scubaveg]

I know perfectly well about Collingwood and Port and their spat over black and white. As I said...

But then you've got it pretty much covered in the next bit of your rant...



Then **** off and support them then. Again, as I said in my last post,

I'll second that!!!!!!

 

[Football Pope]

Shouldn't rivalry depict some sort of hatred?......I hate the lot..the song..the jumper..the name....Hope they lose their traditionalist supporters...

 

[Stocka]

LOTR has a history of this crap, its implied all through the thread, read the Jumper thread, I'm sick and tired of the oh wo us Fitzroy crap. Move with the times.

I don't agree and I think you're coming across as having a degree of paranoia about this particular issue.

It's like as if some people around here thinking that if another poster has a reference to Fitzroy in their name or state that they were/are a Fitzroy supporter that this immediately aligns certain others to thinking that these posters are merely intent on criticising the club due to being unhappy about the merger or an issue to do Fitzroy.

This is a very simplicistic and disappointing view, particularly for those of us around here who'd prefer to discuss the actual topics at hand, rather than just slinging mud, as you seem to want to do, Kerry.

Believe it or not, people can actually comment on topics without letting the fact of whether they supported Fitzroy or the Bears to guide their judgement. So, how about focusing on the issue at hand rather than letting misconceptions steer the discussion?

I take it that you think that it's alright that the Gold Coast have such similar colours to that of the Lions?

Get on board or piss off.

How would you feel if someone said this to you?

 

[Scubaveg]

I don't agree and I think you're coming across as having a degree of paranoia about this particular issue.

It's like as if some people around here thinking that if another poster has a reference to Fitzroy in their name or state that they were/are a Fitzroy supporter that this immediately aligns certain others to thinking that these posters are merely intent on criticising the club due to being unhappy about the merger or an issue to do Fitzroy.

This is a very simplicistic and disappointing view, particularly for those of us around here who'd prefer to discuss the actual topics at hand, rather than just slinging mud, as you seem to want to do, Kerry.

Believe it or not, people can actually comment on topics without letting the fact of whether they supported Fitzroy or the Bears to guide their judgement. So, how about focusing on the issue at hand rather than letting misconceptions steer the discussion?

I take it that you think that it's alright that the Gold Coast have such similar colours to that of the Lions?



How would you feel if someone said this to you?

I want people to support our club. If they are not on board, are fair weather fans, or sit and take pot shots at every opportunity we don't need them.

The sort of crap quoted by LOTR below, well if you want Collingwood go and please don't look back.


Originally Posted by Last of the Roys

LOTR
Give me an Essendon or a Collingwood any day that will fight for their own heritage over absolute corporate co@ks@ckers that cave in at the first opportunity and more than that - DO IN THEIR OWN MEMBERS IN THE PROCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Anyone feel like Paddle Pop ice cream tonight??????????????????)

Originally Posted by Last of the Roys
Of course Club's can influence the AFL. The AFL Commission is there as a representation of the 16 Clubs. The fact that Brisbane basically never stands up for itself is an indication of the weakness of the Club.

Give me an Essendon or a Collingwood any day that will fight for their own heritage over absolute corporate co@ks@ckers

 

[Stocka]

I want people to support our club. If they are not on board, are fair weather fans, or sit and take pot shots at every opportunity we don't need them.

Do you think that LOTR has taken pot shots at "every opportunity" or is he/she voicing their disapproval over some select, specific issues? To me, it seems more like the latter.

Also, what makes you think because someone voices their disapproval over an issue that they are "fairweather fans"? Logic would suggest that if they were "fairweather fans" that they would most likely have up and left already and would not bother posting passionately about their views on the club.

You also seem to be implying that merely because you don't like someone else's views or how they've expressed themselves in their postings, that they should "piss off". I take it that you don't handle differences of opinion very well, then?

Most of the people who seem to be posting their discontent with the off-field side of things appear to be people who are indeed very passionate about the Brisbane Lions and what the club has meant to them.

If it isn't bad enough that the club has made some questionable decisions that have upset large numbers of Brisbane Lions supporters, it seems to only be made worse by having flippant remarks such as "move on" or "piss off" thrown around into the bargain. I would have thought that empathy, rather than self-congratulatory jingoism might have been more in order, myself.

Anyway, it seemed that most people were very happy with how things were going up until the end of last season, so I'd suggest that if we're looking to solve the problem of supporter discontent, that we look back at the specific issues that appear to have caused it in the first place, rather than deriding supporters for being upset over issues with which they may legitimately be disappointed.

 

[Scubaveg]

Do you think that LOTR has taken pot shots at "every opportunity" or is he/she voicing their disapproval over some select, specific issues? To me, it seems more like the latter.

Also, what makes you think because someone voices their disapproval over an issue that they are "fairweather fans"? Logic would suggest that if they were "fairweather fans" that they would most likely have up and left already and would not bother posting passionately about their views on the club.

You also seem to be implying that merely because you don't like someone else's views or how they've expressed themselves in their postings, that they should "piss off". I take it that you don't handle differences of opinion very well, then?

Most of the people who seem to be posting their discontent with the off-field side of things appear to be people who are indeed very passionate about the Brisbane Lions and what the club has meant to them.

If it isn't bad enough that the club has made some questionable decisions that have upset large numbers of Brisbane Lions supporters, it seems to only be made worse by having flippant remarks such as "move on" or "piss off" thrown around into the bargain. I would have thought that empathy, rather than self-congratulatory jingoism might have been more in order, myself.

Anyway, it seemed that most people were very happy with how things were going up until the end of last season, so I'd suggest that if we're looking to solve the problem of supporter discontent, that we look back at the specific issues that appear to have caused it in the first place, rather than deriding supporters for being upset over issues with which they may legitimately be disappointed.

On the contray I encourage others opinions and look forward to hearing them. On the other hand statements like "Give me Essendon or Collingwood anytime" well you can take that and stick it in your jumper.

 

[whatboutbob]

Mate you run out this same old crap at every opportunity. Our history is not just Fitzroy, it's about time you recognised we are just as much the Brisbane Bears as we are Fitzroy.

Errrmm...you do realise LOTR is talking about the maroon guernsey clashing with the "red" GC guernsey, right?

 

[MacMum]

Kerry OT......I sure wouldn't like to be told to "piss off" or called a "fair weather supporter" by another Lions poster, simply because I had a different opinion...

I , and I dare say other readers of LOTR "offending" post, knew exactly what he meant..

I get the feeling you may be very young, if so, then you need to grow up a bit and post in a mature manner....if not, you need to temper you posts a little, so as not to be quite so abusive in your responses..and post in a mature manner..

Not everyone agrees with each other on here....and it can get quite heated at times, but we do try not to be aggressive, abusive or sarcastic, although that can creep in from time to time with some.......but it isn't nice..

Take a chill pill, bite your tongue and smile sweetly.....works wonders

 

[Stocka]

On the other hand statements like "Give me Essendon or Collingwood anytime" well you can take that and stick it in your jumper.

Ok, well, I'll keep that in mind just in case I ever see anyone else who voices their frustration using a degree of hyperbole in the heat of the moment, so that I'll know how to reply to them in "Kerry OT style".

 

[Black Falcon]

Hate the song. Don't mind the jersey or logo though. The name could be way worse IMO! Do not mind it at all

Agree. Lyrics are dufus. Hard to remember. How do they go again?

 

[Black Falcon]

Is their away jumper different enough from ours or do you think they'll have to wear the clash strip when they play us at home and vice/versa?

If they wear their Clash strip at Gabba, it will the height of marketing incompetence. They've had 2 years to get a non-clashing strip v Lions at Gabba. Did we have to send them a missive that maroon and gold
is our colours, so they do red and gold?

Oh, and they do wear blue -on their socks- so the ribbons at either goalpost will be almost identical.

 

[dlanod]

In what part of the post that you quoted did LOTR make this merely a "Fitzroy" issue?

I was pretty sure that he was talking about the Brisbane Lions, to be honest.

I was obviously disagreeing with LOTR pretty passionately and even I figured he was referring to the Brisbane Lions. No mention of Fitzroy at any point in his ravings.

 

[Mount Nebo]

You know what? Bloody good on 'em!

I love the fact that we've got two teams playing out of Queensland now and I'm looking forward to our Queensland teams smashing those pricks down south on a regular basis!

They are our nearest enemy, but this heralds the start of something special for our state.

I look forward to abusing them the first time they play the Lions and to quietly hoping for the best every time they play someone else.

 

[Last of the Roys]

Without reading all of the posts since my last one, I am going to assume that most people have missed the point. (how very Aker of me!)

If our Club hadn't made changes to our logo / jumpers and the Gold Coast had come in with the colours / jumpers they have I would still be annoyed, but not even close to being ropeable like I am now.

I still think, if the above had have happened, that we still should defend our Fitzroy heritage, as well as our brand in QLD. Allowing another Club an hour away to have the same colours just seems stupid.


HOWEVER, THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT is that the entry of the Gold Coast and the changes to our logo / jumpers are inextricably linked. Was it the sole reason we changed - probably not. But the Gold Coast coming in were undoubtedly a significant driver of the Club surrendering and doing its own members under; they saw it as an opportunity to cast of the past - but didn't want to put it to a vote because they knew they would probably lose.

That is why the Gold Coast jumper thing really pi$$es me off. At a time when our Club could have defended our heritage / our turf, we instead chose to underhandedly knife our own in the back.

Well done Bowers and the Board. Great open and honest leadership.

 

[Last of the Roys]

Ooh, after reading the posts, I think the Aker in me was right. Thanks to Stocka and others for defending my right to be passionate about this issue.

It always amazes me how people can't see past the Board / Administration not really being the same thing as the Club as an ongoing entity (even though at times everyone, including myself, confuse the language on these things).

To paraphrase the line that always get repeated, you can love Australia with a passion and still hate the Governments guts.


One thing I would add to my above post is that I absolutely respect the Bears heritage and we should absolutely defend that as well (the Bears were always my second team - I even went to their first ever final / Roger Merrett's last ever game; and that fact is one of the key reasons I was an early supporter of the merger).

One thing that immediately struck me when I saw the Gold Coast jumper was how similar the away jumper especially looked to the Bears last jumper, in terms of the colours. (Yeah I know the Bears jumper was maroon'ish, but still).
It just seems like stupidity that we would not make anything out of this given the history of the Bears / Lions, and the possibility of significant defections of membership to the Gold Coast. (In terms of people who already live near there anyway).

 

[Stocka]

HOWEVER, THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT is that the entry of the Gold Coast and the changes to our logo / jumpers are inextricably linked. Was it the sole reason we changed - probably not. But the Gold Coast coming in were undoubtedly a significant driver of the Club surrendering and doing its own members under; they saw it as an opportunity to cast of the past - but didn't want to put it to a vote because they knew they would probably lose.

I got what you meant, LOTR.

I suppose we don't know if what you've mentioned above was/is the case, but it certainly seems to be a plausible idea.

Either way, I don't understand why GC would have chosen a very similar colour scheme to ours (as well as a few other teams in the league), when there are probably other combinations that could have worked just as well.

 

[Malifice]

Having a logo pasted on the front of the strip is a little odd though.

Worked ok for us for a century as well:

I just wish it looked more 'traditional'

Wrap the GCFC around itself or something.



edit: Then again, a blue and red jumper with an old school gold 'GCFC' logo might not have been the best idea all things considered!

 

[Black Falcon]

Isn't that your fantasy - to see Jonathon Brown wearing pink lingerie. I've seen the photos...

I keep having this recurring nightmare of Brendan Fevola in the goalsquare, wearing fishnet stockings, waiting for a kick