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We should pick up a mature age midfielder to help the young ones in cerra and brayshaw and provide support to the likes of Fyfe,Blakely,Langdon,Hills etc. should aim at one or two in the rookie draft if not late in the national draft
 
heavho said:
We should pick up a mature age midfielder to help the young ones in cerra and brayshaw and provide support to the likes of Fyfe,Blakely,Langdon,Hills etc. should aim at one or two in the rookie draft if not late in the national draft
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I don't actually agree. If we were going to do that Sheridan should still be on the list. The concessions to GCSs and Carlton have also taken some of the best mature players out of the equation.

I am hoping Banfield, North and Crowden can seize opportunities (opportunities that may not be there if we draft mature players). I hope Logue emerges and that Duman gets a bit of a run as a tall wing. In the draft there are players who can play sooner rather than later if required; Hill as a small forward, Clark from the backline, Stocker/Jones/Elly Smith in the middle.

In the end we are still in the process of trying to find players who improve us.
 

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theGav56 said:
I don't actually agree. If we were going to do that Sheridan should still be on the list. The concessions to GCSs and Carlton have also taken some of the best mature players out of the equation.

I am hoping Banfield, North and Crowden can seize opportunities (opportunities that may not be there if we draft mature players). I hope Logue emerges and that Duman gets a bit of a run as a tall wing. In the draft there are players who can play sooner rather than later if required; Hill as a small forward, Clark from the backline, Stocker/Jones/Elly Smith in the middle.

In the end we are still in the process of trying to find players who improve us.
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Sheridan was never going to turn into a quality midfielder. Who is saying we can’t find another quality mature ager in the draft better than Sheridan ?We have found good mature age players in the past in last few years Ryan,banfield for example. Logue and Duman are defenders. Mature ager won’t improve us ? We saw what Barlow did when he played his first game. He def improved us. A mature ager can step right in and make an impact. Going to have to agree to dis agree.
 
heavho said:
Sheridan was never going to turn into a quality midfielder. Who is saying we can’t find another quality mature ager in the draft better than Sheridan ?We have found good mature age players in the past in last few years Ryan,banfield for example. Logue and Duman are defenders. Mature ager won’t improve us ? We saw what Barlow did when he played his first game. He def improved us. A mature ager can step right in and make an impact. Going to have to agree to dis agree.
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Duman has played on the wing before and I wouldn't be restricting the options on where a player like Logue ends up.

I had misread your intention though and more saw the intention of drafting a mature player as more like Barlow (23?) than Banfield (19). But if 19 is what you are seeing as mature, I'm fine with it. Neither Barlow or Banfield were brought in to help emerging youth. But if it just bringing in a body to help the emerging youth, which is what I understood you to be saying, I'm not really interested, and don't think there would be many better options than Sheridan (I'm not advocating for Sheridan).
 
We don't really have list space for speculative mature age picks.

We are basically going to take 14 and 31 in the ND (maybe 43 as well) who should be best available non-talls. 43 feels way too high for the 6th best mature ager (would have definitely used it on Corbett). This is assuming we aren't taking Medhat and Carter in the ND as well. Then we have I assume 2 rookie spots who I think are better served on high-reward youngsters. If there is a mature age player as good as Barlow or Kelly in the draft, they are going before the rookie draft or more likely, are already in GC or Cartlon's concessions.

I think we have enough experience for a young team in Mundy, Fyfe and Conca. The midfield opportunities need to go to the young guys IMO.

Edit: Agree with more 19yos if worthy. Banfield isn't really mature age in my eyes.
 
Stephen Hill can actually play both inside and outside mid roles. If he's able to get a good run at a preseason there may be scope for more of that.

Of course, I'd prefer that run and skill used mostly on the outside, but some of his games in 2017 were some of the most complete games of footy you'll ever see from an individual player.
 
arsesmart said:
Stephen Hill can actually play both inside and outside mid roles. If he's able to get a good run at a preseason there may be scope for more of that.

Of course, I'd prefer that run and skill used mostly on the outside, but some of his games in 2017 were some of the most complete games of footy you'll ever see from an individual player.
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Hill on the inside is actually a thing of beauty when he's fully fit, just really seems to sturggle with knocks/battle scars, leaves me a bit undecided as to where he should be played :think:
 
heavho said:
We should pick up a mature age midfielder to help the young ones in cerra and brayshaw and provide support to the likes of Fyfe,Blakely,Langdon,Hills etc. should aim at one or two in the rookie draft if not late in the national draft
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Yep, agree. Can't believe a guy who's got two Sandovers, two Simpsons, gets belted weekly from pillar to post as an inside mid yet still dishes out 31 quality possessions per game is not worthy of at least a rookie spot for insurance. 27yo at his peak and cost next to nothing to find out. We can't continue to ignore top of the tree wafl performance when these younger kids that are rookied more on hope than displayed ability keep shuffling in and out of the system. In the meantime, real star kids like Brayshaw and Cerra would benefit by not necessarily being rammed into roles they're not quite ready for imo. Plenty will disagree with me I'm sure. But this idea that a player carving at wafl level is somehow inferior to a 'maybe' playing under age footy just irritates me. Tim Kelly provides the proof.
Give Jye Bolton a go!
And while I'm soapboxing here - if they're looking for a readymade strong, clever half forward to sneak 30+ goals, give Ben Sokol a shot too!

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arsesmart said:
Stephen Hill can actually play both inside and outside mid roles. If he's able to get a good run at a preseason there may be scope for more of that.

Of course, I'd prefer that run and skill used mostly on the outside, but some of his games in 2017 were some of the most complete games of footy you'll ever see from an individual player.
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Stephen seems a bit delicate to play inside imo. He’s been forced to, but when was the last season he got through uninjured. I’d be a rich man if I got $5 for every time he got up from a contest limping and grimacing over in his career.
I think we have enough inside options for him to show his best on the outside now.
 
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Bulldocker said:
Yep, agree. Can't believe a guy who's got two Sandovers, two Simpsons, gets belted weekly from pillar to post as an inside mid yet still dishes out 31 quality possessions per game is not worthy of at least a rookie spot for insurance. 27yo at his peak and cost next to nothing to find out. We can't continue to ignore top of the tree wafl performance when these younger kids that are rookied more on hope than displayed ability keep shuffling in and out of the system. In the meantime, real star kids like Brayshaw and Cerra would benefit by not necessarily being rammed into roles they're not quite ready for imo. Plenty will disagree with me I'm sure. But this idea that a player carving at wafl level is somehow inferior to a 'maybe' playing under age footy just irritates me. Tim Kelly provides the proof.
Give Jye Bolton a go!
And while I'm soapboxing here - if they're looking for a readymade strong, clever half forward to sneak 30+ goals, give Ben Sokol a shot too!

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would be good to see a stat of how many mature Age players brought into the afl system that have succeeded. It prob would be a good 60-70% if not more. You just have to look at each club with a mature age player it speaks for itself really.
 

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heavho said:
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would be good to see a stat of how many mature Age players brought into the afl system that have succeeded. It prob would be a good 60-70% if not more. You just have to look at each club with a mature age player it speaks for itself really.
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It depends on your definition of succeed I guess.
 
Scham said:
Stephen seems a bit delicate to play inside imo. He’s been forced to, but when was the last season he got through uninjured. I’d be a rich man if I got $5 for every time he got up from a contest limping and grimacing over in his career.
I think we have enough inside options for him to show his best on the outside now.
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I think that's everybody who gets up limping and grimacing out any dinky di contest, including Fyfe. SHill's injuries are predominantly tears and strains, which are just as easily, if not more likely, outside-type injuries.

I reckon his outside skills can be maximised, but he's never played better than he did when he was a hybrid inside-outside mid.

Plus the point raised here was that we might be a little thin on the ground for quality substantial ready to go inside mids, without burning out the kids. SHill could (and tbh probably will) pick up some slack there.
 
Bulldocker said:
Yep, agree. Can't believe a guy who's got two Sandovers, two Simpsons, gets belted weekly from pillar to post as an inside mid yet still dishes out 31 quality possessions per game is not worthy of at least a rookie spot for insurance. 27yo at his peak and cost next to nothing to find out. We can't continue to ignore top of the tree wafl performance when these younger kids that are rookied more on hope than displayed ability keep shuffling in and out of the system. In the meantime, real star kids like Brayshaw and Cerra would benefit by not necessarily being rammed into roles they're not quite ready for imo. Plenty will disagree with me I'm sure. But this idea that a player carving at wafl level is somehow inferior to a 'maybe' playing under age footy just irritates me. Tim Kelly provides the proof.
Give Jye Bolton a go!
And while I'm soapboxing here - if they're looking for a readymade strong, clever half forward to sneak 30+ goals, give Ben Sokol a shot too!

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Yep completely agree. You see blokes like Gibbons in the VFL, Grigg in the SANFL, Maguire in the NEAFL, and Bolton in the WAFL tearing it up week in week out and think surely they have a bit to offer at the higher level. The rewards could be so great and the risk at say a rookie pick are so low. We've got a great track record with mature agers and I hope we'll target another in the upcoming draft.

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The problem is you put a starting AFL midfielder into WAFL/VFL/SANFL and they completely tear it a new one. Last game of WAFL Barlow played he had 44 disposals and it was effortless for him. Even Tucker smashes it out of the park playing inside mid for Peel.

Averaging 30+ disposals in state league doesn't mean you are going to translate that to AFL level. Players need to show something more than just winning plenty of the pill. It's why it was obvious that Tim Kelly was going to make it at AFL level when Hayden Schloithe was playing next to him and winning a heap more of the ball plus winning the Sandover but clearly not being AFL capable. I'm not saying Bolton and Grigg don't deserve a chance but the chance of them becoming anything more than average seems slim. I'd say Pickett has more tools to make it in a similar way to Kelly personally.
 

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blue shark said:
Wouldn't be a bad idea to try a few players in the middle for Peel that don't have a fixed position at Freo.
Guys like Tucker, Logue, Hughes, etc.
Now that Sherro, Sutty, Grey, have been dropped there should be holes to be filled.
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Yeah, not a bad idea at all - very interested to see how hughes and Logue in particular perform in the centre... we've got a few too many smaller mids for my money right now, a larger body with good hands and a real hoof when kicking I50 seems just what the doctor ordered.
 
Jack Richards said:
Just reading up.. Do you guys think Tom North will get a chance next year? many dont have him in their developing inside mids in this thread?
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Ross wanted to play him last year but North couldn't get his body right.

Next year we have a better team and will be harder to make especially if we don't the horrible run of injuries.

Their is a spot for him if he is good enough.
 
eastfreo75 said:
Ross wanted to play him last year but North couldn't get his body right.

Next year we have a better team and will be harder to make especially if we don't the horrible run of injuries.

Their is a spot for him if he is good enough.
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Looks a replacement for Neale. Big fan of the kid. You guys have gem
 

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