Our Midfield

[Al Kemy]

Yep, none of this favouritism thing from the coaches. Someone is performing bad, they get dropped. We have more than enough depth on paper in areas like the midfield, defence (not including talls) and attack (not including talls) for players to get dropped if they are not performing.

If a tall in the forward line or defence is not performing, go for a shorter forward line/defence by dropping them and signal to the midfielders to work extra harder to reduce defensive 50 entries and/or increase forward 50 entries to make up for the height deficiency.

This is the kind of proactiveness that I want to see from the coaching panel next year.

Yeah i like what your saying, we have a few KP spots where depth is limited but enough utility players to cover eg dogs 2016. I hope to see a change up in coaching also. If it turns out working out like that ill give Dimma a 2016 let off lol

 

[BILC]

I was sitting here today and reading about how good our inside game is going to be next year, but I already thought we get enough inside ball, but we just don't get it to the outside runners as we are too closely positioned and don't have enough out runners leaving their men. But I thought I would check anyway.

Over the last 4 years our teams stats have not changed a lot regarding - Contested possessions - Uncontested possessions - Disposal efficiency - Contested marks - Marks inside 50 - Clearances - Rebound 50.

What has improved - Contested marks.

What has gotten worse are - Bounces - Clearances - Goal Assists - Clangers - Inside 50 - 1%

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You can see by our rankings that the overall competition is now more uncontested possessions, more bounces, more inside 50, more goal assists, less contested marks, less marks inside 50, slight increase in contested possessions, more clearances.

Sorry to all the contested possession people.

I think getting Caddy & Prestia in will help us spread the inside midfield load a lot more, allowing guys like Cotchin & Martin to get more outside ball with time & space.

Cotchin played his best footy when he was getting more outisde ball, if we could take some of the inside work off his shoulders hopefully we see him start to get a bit more impact with his possessions. A capable tap ruckman would help also...

 

[mopsy]

The reason Caddy hasn't the numbers of a player such as Barlow is that he spent the year as a forward. It is also why he wanted to come to Richmond. Dangerfield plays the same role as Caddy so as soon as he arrived he was moved straight into the forwardline. All the best midfielders in the competition are big bodied, tall brutes such as Dangerfield, Fyfe, Cripps, Kennedy etc and Caddy fits this profile perfectly. He will complement Cotchin, Prestia, Martin, Miles and Edwards (amazingly good clearance average - go to man for the club believe or not) in winning the contested ball to get it out to outside runners. The best part about the addition of both Caddy and Prestia is their running capabilities. They will be both inside and outside runners.

The other reason we are getting excited about these players is the knock on effect to the rest of the side. It means more depth and quality across the ground. Dusty can play forward more and make our offense more difficult to predict and match up on. Caddy can too to allow Dusty into the midfield. We become more flexible to cope with opposition tactics.

All in all it is the effect these two will have on the overall team not just what they offer individually.

Take last yr out then the numbers are still the same. He does not have anywhere near Barlows numbers because he just has not played at any time any where near his level on a consistent basis.

What effect will Caddy have mate just like a lot of our so called better players he fails when it matters most.He is living on the potential tag.
The stats do not lie he is not a huge contested ball winner he has never been at afl level.Yeah just like hacks like edwards and conca he has had his moments and played some good games but over all it is poor.

As i said i dont think him a lousy player but i certainly dont rate him so far either. I have two areas to go by and that is what i have seen and to back up what ive seen most stats.
He will need to improve significantly to win me over trouble is im not sure he has the improvement in him as you say actually playing most of the time as an inside mid may help what i do know is he is no A grader i would say he has been mostly average.
Finally at age 28 give me Barlow anyday simply put he has easily outperformed Caddy to date.

 

[Football Tragic]

Take last yr out then the numbers are still the same. He does not have anywhere near Barlows numbers because he just has not played at any time any where near his level on a consistent basis.

What effect will Caddy have mate just like a lot of our so called better players he fails when it matters most.He is living on the potential tag.
The stats do not lie he is not a huge contested ball winner he has never been at afl level.Yeah just like hacks like edwards and conca he has had his moments and played some good games but over all it is poor.

As i said i dont think him a lousy player but i certainly dont rate him so far either. I have two areas to go by and that is what i have seen and to back up what ive seen most stats.
He will need to improve significantly to win me over trouble is im not sure he has the improvement in him as you say actually playing most of the time as an inside mid may help what i do know is he is no A grader i would say he has been mostly average.
Finally at age 28 give me Barlow anyday simply put he has easily outperformed Caddy to date.

Was Tucky an A-Grader? I see Caddy taking that role in our side, becoming a pure ball winner to feed the ball out to our better ball users. Saying that he is very clean by foot and hand but just has not had the opportunities in the middle of ground and in the position he was drafted at No 7 for to show what he can do. At Gold Coast and then Geelong there were others in front of him - at Richmond we have a need for that exact player so he will have his chance to prove himself.

 

[mopsy]

Was Tucky an A-Grader? I see Caddy taking that role in our side, becoming a pure ball winner to feed the ball out to our better ball users. Saying that he is very clean by foot and hand but just has not had the opportunities in the middle of ground and in the position he was drafted at No 7 for to show what he can do. At Gold Coast and then Geelong there were others in front of him - at Richmond we have a need for that exact player so he will have his chance to prove himself.

Your not listening Caddy so far has not been a pure ball winner he does not get enough ball and he certainly has not won enough contested ball to warrant all the hype. I mean to say he is 24 had 6 yrs how much more upside do you think he has in him.
I am not into hypothesing what he may become im commenting on what he has done over a substantial period.

Barlow has a proven track record, is a bigger body, a smart player who statistically kills Caddy and has a footy brain.
What stats wont show is mental toughness an ability to compete in the heat of finals an ability to just stand up when it counts and Caddy has failed in these areas.
If i am wrong fine i will put my tail between my legs and admit it but i refuse to call this a good trade until he puts the runs on the board.
Mate you rate em how you see em and i will do the same.

 

[partycorolla]

Comparing Caddy to Barlow is a bit pointless in my opinion.

Barlow started as a mature age player, seasoned playing against men in a side where he could get first service thanks to a dominant ruck and strong midfielders around him.

Caddy started as a kid playing in a team of kids with Ablett and not much else.... a team that got pumped week in, week out (except when we played them). He then moved to the Cats where he had his midfield minutes limited by the others who were around him. The lure of more midfield minutes is clearly part of the reason he wanted to come to RFC.

A player with size, who can win the ball inside and still has development in him is what we badly need. he isn't the panacea but he will certainly help. Our guys have failed to win the ball inside in big games for the last few years. Prestia and Caddy will help. We should improve with them in the team. End of story as far as I'm concerned.

 

[sregit]

Your not listening Caddy so far has not been a pure ball winner he does not get enough ball and he certainly has not won enough contested ball to warrant all the hype. I mean to say he is 24 had 6 yrs how much more upside do you think he has in him.
I am not into hypothesing what he may become im commenting on what he has done over a substantial period.

Barlow has a proven track record, is a bigger body, a smart player who statistically kills Caddy and has a footy brain.
What stats wont show is mental toughness an ability to compete in the heat of finals an ability to just stand up when it counts and Caddy has failed in these areas.
If i am wrong fine i will put my tail between my legs and admit it but i refuse to call this a good trade until he puts the runs on the board.
Mate you rate em how you see em and i will do the same.

Totally agree with what you say here. I'd also like to add that I am also in the same camp about Prestia.
Until he and Caddy deliver consistent high level performances we should stop talking bullshit and focus on facts. Prestia has played less than 50% of games in the past two years and his stats are not sensational.

 

[TigerImposter]

Is this the Yarran Townsend and Moore thread of 2015?

 

[RememberRoyce]

Is this the Yarran Townsend and Moore thread of 2015?

No...that's here....

www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/remaining-list-changes.1150116/page-4#post-47524360