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Brereton makes my skin crawl.
I think it's Dermie tight-arse.

Seriously though, he used to get a lot right when he was serious about what he did.
Sort of a Shane Warne type that just saw things unfold well before they did. Here's to Dermie being right again.
 
Brutalitops said:
Anyone who rates St Kilda as having a better midfield on the basis of trading in a cooked Hanneberry is not to be taken seriously. Nonsense on stilts.

With Mitchell out for the season and O'meara having trouble staying out there consistently we may even overtake Hawthorn's midfield this year. Not seeing strong cases for Geelong or North either from that article.

In summary, AFL staff writers are idiots.
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We finished dead last with 2 wins last season and didn’t add any experienced mids with runs on the board, it’s hard for anyone to rank us any higher than 17th. Hopefully that changes after this year.
 
ParapMarkets said:
We finished dead last with 2 wins last season and didn’t add any experienced mids with runs on the board, it’s hard for anyone to rank us any higher than 17th. Hopefully that changes after this year.
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Other clubs have their youths credited with "continue to improve with form" whereas ours is "still a lot of development to go". The whole article is rubbish.
 
I don't think the article is unfair

We have a super top 9 coming through

Cripps
Dow
Setterfield
Walsh
Kennedy
Fisher
Stocker
SPS
Obrien

We'd all hope at very worst the above will be at least B+ quality, but so far only Cripps is proven

In 2019 we will still be relying on first and second year players, and guys like Setterfield and Kennedy who haven't played too much footy yet, that means there will still be let downs

However from 2020 onwards, if we can add a coniglio or a Taranto, we will start to rocket up the rankings with a huge chance of having the best rated midfield by 2021/22

Very exciting indeed
 
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This article could be correct or wrong depending on which way you look at it

* Based on last year and looking into 2019 - Its correct
* Looking into beyond 2019 and taking into account junior talent - Its wrong

But the people who write them would be writing it as a guide to 2019 so correct

But i believe they have Richmond wrong as i have West Coast,Melbourne & Gws midfield ahead of Richmond for 2019 but have our Defence & Fowards as the best which i believe they got right.

On potential looking 3+ years ahead i would say carltons midfield 'Could be top 2 ' If they can snag a Kelly/Coniglio or similar free agent
 
THE_GUN said:
This article could be correct or wrong depending on which way you look at it

* Based on last year and looking into 2019 - Its correct
* Looking into beyond 2019 and taking into account junior talent - Its wrong

But the people who write them would be writing it as a guide to 2019 so correct

But i believe they have Richmond wrong as i have West Coast,Melbourne & Gws midfield ahead of Richmond for 2019 but have our Defence & Fowards as the best which i believe they got right.

On potential looking 3+ years ahead i would say carltons midfield 'Could be top 2 ' If they can snag a Kelly/Coniglio or similar free agent
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You wanna switch teams. Admit it. You’ve got a soft spot. You’re thinking of Carlton becoming your second team.

Embrace it. Sing it with us.....

Da dada dadaaaaaaa
 
THE_GUN said:
This article could be correct or wrong depending on which way you look at it

* Based on last year and looking into 2019 - Its correct
* Looking into beyond 2019 and taking into account junior talent - Its wrong

But the people who write them would be writing it as a guide to 2019 so correct

But i believe they have Richmond wrong as i have West Coast,Melbourne & Gws midfield ahead of Richmond for 2019 but have our Defence & Fowards as the best which i believe they got right.

On potential looking 3+ years ahead i would say carltons midfield 'Could be top 2 ' If they can snag a Kelly/Coniglio or similar free agent
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Our midfield could be top 2 without those FA additions. We seriously can’t fit them all in. We may need to throw away a few fringe top 10 draft picks mids in order to balance the list if they all come good. If SPS, Dow, Walsh, O’Brien, Fisher, setterfield, Stocker all reach their potential then some are either going to have to move to HBF/HFF or be trade bait to bring in an top end tuck or small forward (in the mould of a Cameron/Betts/Fantasia) or small defender (Williams/Jetta).
 

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Our midfield can't be rated because it hasn't done anything yet. It's purely rated on Cripps and potential. We are just lucky that we have been accessing good amounts of talented yet unproven youth which puts us in a really good position.

If our young players come on and we snag a big name next season which I believe we are going to be gearing up to do then we could on potential have one of the best midfields in the competition from 2020 onwards.

If we are weak in the midfield in 2019 then we won't, that will mean our youth has not come on and that would mean that a big name will not be looking to come to us but I feel unless injuries intervene that this will be unlikely.

Would also be sensational to get our hands on a really good and tactical midfield coach.

You don't worry about fitting them all in. You fit the best ones in and the rest go to other positions, VFL or as trade bait for mature players to fill other holes. Considering some of our mids area already really good in other positions like Fisher, fitting in a lot of mids will be doable.

I'm quite happy for our midfield to do something and earn a good rating first and happy for our team to earn the destination club status.
 
Stefchook said:
Unless of course they're Essendon. :drunk: Carlton's young midfielders (understandably) need time to develop. But Essendon's (Parish, McGrath) are (apparently) ready to make their mark. Never mind that McGrath hasn't actually played midfield at AFL level yet (and only rarely did at junior level). Myers also got a mention as 'most improved' (which is kind of like 'best clubman'). Then they've got the scintillating extra depth of Dylan Clarke and Kobe Mutch. Other clubs would be terrified!

According to that series of afl.com articles, Essendon has the 4th best forward line, the 4th best defence and the 7th best midfield. Anyone else think there might be a few Essendon supporter nuffies among the writers?
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Hello friend. You seem to be a bit confused so I thought I would help you out. Mcgrath played majority of the time on a wing in 2018. He also played midfield a lot at junior level. McGrath, Parish, Langford and hopefully Redman are poised to break out in 2019 after developing nicely last season.

Don't be too concerned with that 'midfield depth' section. I just read that article and nearly every team has trash listed there. If a player is decent enough to be part of the midfield rotation they are probably going to be in the best 22 considering how many mids teams like to rotate these days.

Our senior mids will be Shiel, Merrett, Heppell, Smith, Zaharakis and Myers. Our young mids will be Parish, Langford, Mcgrath and Redman (utility that had two good games at AFL level before getting injured last season).
Then there are the forwards/defenders that can rotate through there too.
Clearly that is a top 8 midfield! Afl.com.au have a good handle on things.
 
Shadeeq said:
Hello friend. You seem to be a bit confused so I thought I would help you out. Mcgrath played majority of the time on a wing in 2018. He also played midfield a lot at junior level. McGrath, Parish, Langford and hopefully Redman are poised to break out in 2019 after developing nicely last season.

Don't be too concerned with that 'midfield depth' section. I just read that article and nearly every team has trash listed there. If a player is decent enough to be part of the midfield rotation they are probably going to be in the best 22 considering how many mids teams like to rotate these days.

Our senior mids will be Shiel, Merrett, Heppell, Smith, Zaharakis and Myers. Our young mids will be Parish, Langford, Mcgrath and Redman (utility that had two good games at AFL level before getting injured last season).
Then there are the forwards/defenders that can rotate through there too.
Clearly that is a top 8 midfield! Afl.com.au have a good handle on things.
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Not a lot on the inside.
 
Shadeeq said:
Hello friend. You seem to be a bit confused so I thought I would help you out. Mcgrath played majority of the time on a wing in 2018. He also played midfield a lot at junior level. McGrath, Parish, Langford and hopefully Redman are poised to break out in 2019 after developing nicely last season.

Don't be too concerned with that 'midfield depth' section. I just read that article and nearly every team has trash listed there. If a player is decent enough to be part of the midfield rotation they are probably going to be in the best 22 considering how many mids teams like to rotate these days.

Our senior mids will be Shiel, Merrett, Heppell, Smith, Zaharakis and Myers. Our young mids will be Parish, Langford, Mcgrath and Redman (utility that had two good games at AFL level before getting injured last season).
Then there are the forwards/defenders that can rotate through there too.
Clearly that is a top 8 midfield! Afl.com.au have a good handle on things.
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Hello friend. You seem to be a bit confused so I thought I would help you out.
This thread titled 'Our Midfield' is regarding Carlton Football Club.
 
Shadeeq said:
Hello friend. You seem to be a bit confused so I thought I would help you out. Mcgrath played majority of the time on a wing in 2018. He also played midfield a lot at junior level. McGrath, Parish, Langford and hopefully Redman are poised to break out in 2019 after developing nicely last season.

Don't be too concerned with that 'midfield depth' section. I just read that article and nearly every team has trash listed there. If a player is decent enough to be part of the midfield rotation they are probably going to be in the best 22 considering how many mids teams like to rotate these days.

Our senior mids will be Shiel, Merrett, Heppell, Smith, Zaharakis and Myers. Our young mids will be Parish, Langford, Mcgrath and Redman (utility that had two good games at AFL level before getting injured last season).
Then there are the forwards/defenders that can rotate through there too.
Clearly that is a top 8 midfield! Afl.com.au have a good handle on things.
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Weren't you suppose to play finals this year?
 
TooBlue14 said:
Not a lot on the inside.
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We could do with another inside mid sure, but it's a misconception that it is a real weakness. I would rather balanced mids than pure inside mids myself. Unless they are very dominant like Cripps etc and those are hard to find.
I just looked at clearances per game from last season. Essendon has four players in the top 50 which is only behind Adelaide. Parish is #79 and rising. Basically we will have Shiel, Heppell, Merrett, Myers and Parish that are capable of the inside work and all average decent contested possessions. Even Devon Smith has a decent inside game- he was #1 for tackles per game and top 100 for clearances/contested possessions per game.
Then there is Kyle Langford who is improving. He got less time in the midfield compared to those other mids, but he showed quite a bit last season. So while we don't have a inside beast like a Cripps or Oliver, overall we don't have a big weakness on the inside.

Arr0w said:
Weren't you suppose to play finals this year?
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For some inexplicable reason we were trash up to round 8, even losing to the wooden spooners. After that our only losses were to top 4 teams. And that was without Shiel and Daniher.
 

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Essendon have big expectations and that's fair enough, they have been building for a while and finished with good form. I think they are a good outside team but aren't too great when the game is closed up. I think there are a few sides like that like Collingwood as Richmond found out and West Coast learned from. I think if Essendon get a little better at the more closed up, crash and bash physical play they will do really well. We beat them because at the time we were closing games up and playing really tight defensive footy, we also got quite close to Collingwood doing the same. The AFL are trying to encourage teams to run and get the ball quickly to the back of the opposition's press so the new rules may suite the teams who enjoy more open play.
 
We were 3rd best in centre clearances in 2018. So Our starting mids did pretty well when they were allowed to setup. But we were 17th in total clearances, pointing the finger at our poor stoppage work. This may reflect a few things: fitness and experience and numbers of mids at our disposal.

1. Fitness. Cripps cant do it all. He dominated in centre clearances but without experienced support around the ground his effectiveness was nullified. Without Murphy for much of the year and an injured kennedy, the support for Fish, dow , LOB and SPS was limited to Ed. Our fitness base was simply not good enough

2 Experience. Dow, Fish , LOB and SPS had great learning experiences in 2018, but to think that these young and unconditioned for AFL players were capable of taking the place of MM and hop-a-long Kennedy is too much

3 Numbers. Having to rotate Kerridge and Lamb Graham through the midfield , to allow the TOG numbers of our youngsters was our momentum burster. These players were serviceable at best and whilst they did take the pressure off our young talented mids, they certainly had their downside .

So What should we expect in 2019? Well I am a glass half full guy. Already we have gained the services of MM back. Then we can add some real improvement in Dow, Fish, LOB, SPS and Kennedy, as well as added afl ready Walsh. Just these players address Fitness , experience and numbers in a very positive way.
I dont think anyone could argue that our midfield is going to be improved very substantially. Our Centre clearances last year showed our potential . Thsi year it should be translated to all around the ground
 
windows1 said:
You wanna switch teams. Admit it. You’ve got a soft spot. You’re thinking of Carlton becoming your second team.

Embrace it. Sing it with us.....

Da dada dadaaaaaaa
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Yeah i do have a soft spot 'NOW' I used to hate Carlton but not anymore, I just want them to improve so i can regain the hate - Its just not the same seeing you guys suffer so much

Brutalitops said:
Hes already got a Carlton membership. He said "his mate" buys it for him every year but im not convinced...
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Yeah he sure does, But i buy him a Tiger's membership also ( he has the right to say he was a member of a premiership team this century now ;))

windows1 said:
Oh yeah I read that. Sometimes I nearly think Collingwood is my second team.....shudder.....then I just go read Fudge’s posts and I’m fine.
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Go wash your thoughts our - Feral bloody lot with supporters that dont honour bets

TooBlue14 said:
Our midfield could be top 2 without those FA additions. We seriously can’t fit them all in. We may need to throw away a few fringe top 10 draft picks mids in order to balance the list if they all come good. If SPS, Dow, Walsh, O’Brien, Fisher, setterfield, Stocker all reach their potential then some are either going to have to move to HBF/HFF or be trade bait to bring in an top end tuck or small forward (in the mould of a Cameron/Betts/Fantasia) or small defender (Williams/Jetta).
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Not even the most optimistic supporter would expect more than 50% of these players to be as good as what you would hope, Most just become role players and a few could become guns but out of that lot you will be lucky to get another 2-3 Cripps level players
 
THE_GUN said:
Yeah i do have a soft spot 'NOW' I used to hate Carlton but not anymore, I just want them to improve so i can regain the hate - Its just not the same seeing you guys suffer so much


Yeah he sure does, But i buy him a Tiger's membership also ( he has the right to say he was a member of a premiership team this century now ;))

Go wash your thoughts our - Feral bloody lot with supporters that dont honour bets



Not even the most optimistic supporter would expect more than 50% of these players to be as good as what you would hope, Most just become role players and a few could become guns but out of that lot you will be lucky to get another 2-3 Cripps level players
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It’s very weird GUN but most of us don’t feel like we are ‘suffering’ any more. There’s just too much to like. Too many good kids to watch.

It’s only a matter of time now before we are back to our annoying cocky arrogant best and you’ll be able to hate us with a passion again!
 
THE_GUN said:
Yeah i do have a soft spot 'NOW' I used to hate Carlton but not anymore, I just want them to improve so i can regain the hate - Its just not the same seeing you guys suffer so much


Yeah he sure does, But i buy him a Tiger's membership also ( he has the right to say he was a member of a premiership team this century now ;))

Go wash your thoughts our - Feral bloody lot with supporters that dont honour bets



Not even the most optimistic supporter would expect more than 50% of these players to be as good as what you would hope, Most just become role players and a few could become guns but out of that lot you will be lucky to get another 2-3 Cripps level players
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So a team of 3-4 Cripps level players in the midfield? so 3-4 top 5 mids in one team? That'd be fine bucko.
 

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