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THE_GUN said:
Its always this way in the pre season , But when we get to Round 4 on wards the suffering is extremely apparent , Currently every kids a star
5 rounds in i will be reading how certain kids are not upto this level and to bring back Lang etc :oops:
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I know you're engaging in good faith, but those three words have never and will never be spoken in the English language.
 
BLUEALLTHRU said:
TG has good history on here and deserves respect.. even if he is a Richmond maggot
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:think:

You must been been missing from these parts a few years ago BLUE.

TG has certainly lifted his game from his days trolling our Board.
 
Aphrodite said:
:think:

You must been been missing from these parts a few years ago BLUE.

TG has certainly lifted his game from his days trolling our Board.
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In fairness his team was a disaster for many decades and had some pepped up anger. But at least he's not rubbing salt in our wounds with his team doing well and ours maybe not so well.

Still a flog but he's my kind of flog
 
HereComesJuddy said:
In fairness his team was a disaster for many decades and had some pepped up anger. But at least he's not rubbing salt in our wounds with his team doing well and ours maybe not so well.

Still a flog but he's my kind of flog
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Have, over time, witnessed some very unsavoury posts on various boards from the individual re Carlton. May just be playing to an audience. While he plays "nice" can add to conversation, but a tiger doesn't change it's stripes any more than leopard changes it's spots.
 

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HereComesJuddy said:
In fairness his team was a disaster for many decades and had some pepped up anger. But at least he's not rubbing salt in our wounds with his team doing well and ours maybe not so well.

Still a flog but he's my kind of flog
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Nothing to do with his team being a disaster and not my point at all HCJ.

Trolling Team Boards is not on.
 
THE_GUN said:
Will be over 30 by 2021 and its either Jones or MacReadie imo
Rather keep MacReadie
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We don't know any of this yet. Ben Silvagni will play in the backline for Northern Blues all year so we will have a close look at him
 
Coona Blues said:
Have, over time, witnessed some very unsavoury posts on various boards from the individual re Carlton. May just be playing to an audience. While he plays "nice" can add to conversation, but a tiger doesn't change it's stripes any more than leopard changes it's spots.
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or the Blues change its strips
 
Aphrodite said:
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You must been been missing from these parts a few years ago BLUE.

TG has certainly lifted his game from his days trolling our Board.
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LOL interesting way to look at this Aphro ;)

I was never really trolling and never came here with the intentions to troll , But with the benefit of hindsight and even though it does hurt to say it the best troll of all time "Parrot"

She got me a few times




But the strange thing is , I do actually miss here :'(
Certainly knew how to get the best out of us
 
THE_GUN said:
LOL interesting way to look at this Aphro ;)

I was never really trolling and never came here with the intentions to troll , But with the benefit of hindsight and even though it does hurt to say it the best troll of all time "Parrot"

She got me a few times




But the strange thing is , I do actually miss here :'(
Certainly knew how to get the best out of us
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Parrot was legendary. Wish they'd come back
 

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THE_GUN said:
LOL interesting way to look at this Aphro ;)

I was never really trolling and never came here with the intentions to troll , But with the benefit of hindsight and even though it does hurt to say it the best troll of all time "Parrot"

She got me a few times




But the strange thing is , I do actually miss here :'(
Certainly knew how to get the best out of us
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Round one preview thread always needs more Parrot.
 
Just some food for thought on the midfield minutes. Numbers below are percentages of game time. You’ll note the numbers have to add to 1800- because there’s 18 players on the field at any one time, for 100 percent of the time. I’ve broken the players into groups. 600 percent for the 6 backs. And forwards. And 100 for the ruck. 500 for non ruck mids. This is how I see things towards year end. Not at the start. Comments about why I’ve done what I have below.

Backs:
Jones 90
Weiters 90
Plowman 85
Marchbank 85
Simmo 90
Willo 80
LOB 80

Mids:
Kennedy 70
Eddie 80
Walsh 80

Mid/forwards:
Crippa 70/20
Dow 40/40
SPS 40/40
Fish 40/40
Setters 40/40
Murph 40/40

Forwards:
CC 80
McGovern 80
Cuningham 80
Polson 80

Ruck/Forwards:
Kreuzer 80
McKay 20/60

Firstly I’m well aware Soap tells us LOB is to be played wing /forward but because of numbers, I only see that being the case if there are midfield injuries or it takes Setters longer to get back. I believe his long term role will end up being Simmo replacement anyway. But that’s not the point of this post - just a quick clarifier.

Some guys I see only as mids: I don’t really see Kennedy, Curnow and Walsh as being able to play forward. Kennedy, while a decent mark, is too slow to put enough pressure on up forward for team balance. Curnow and Walsh are just out and out endurance freaks and neither presents as a likely weapon forward.

CC and McGovern will be hard running/ leading forwards. I’ve opted for Cuningham and Polson. I don’t see Cuningham getting midfield time if the mids are fit- there just not enough meaningful minutes to go around. He needs to do a Josh Thomas and make ‘goal sneak/forward pressure expert’ his go for the year in my view. Polson is by far and away our best pressure forward and I’m happy now to give him a good go for the year to see if he can develop composure and goal kicking further.

McKay and Kreuzer are the obvious ruck combo. I don’t see Kreuzer spending time forward. Crippa will perform that ‘relief forward’ role. I don’t think K is a good forward and I also think he does best when given time to just focus on the ruck role.

Which leaves the complicated mid/forward group to explain. Here’s how I see it:

Kennedy will back up Crippa at centre bounces when Crippa rests or goes forward. He will join the mids in general play but won’t often be at the centre bounce with Crippa- it makes us too slow defensively our if the middle. General play is easier to cover.

I think Murph and Setters will have their midfield time as ‘wings’ this year. I’d say Setters plays later but when he does it won’t be on ball. That’s in years to come. He plays wing this year when he gets his minutes. I think murph stays out of the centre. Probably Eddie out of the centre most of the time too due to better ‘off the mark pace’ options in Fish/Dow/Walsh/SPS.

So centre bounce combos will mainly be:

Crippa backed up by kennedy
Dow and Walsh taking a lot(sometimes together).
SPS Fish backing up Dow and Walsh a lot.

Kennedy and eddie join that group after centre bounces (they occasionally go there as well but not as often).

Not sure SPS Dow Fish can handle the load Walsh and Eddie can. Hence why they get less mid minutes but it keeps them effective when in midfield. I don’t think Kennedy can handle a full 80 percent load either which is why I dropped him back to 70. I’d like to keep him fresh.

Looks a lovely balance to me.
 
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windows1 said:
Just some food for thought on the midfield minutes. Numbers below are percentages of game time. You’ll note the numbers have to add to 1800- because there’s 18 players on the field at any one time, for 100 percent of the time. I’ve broken the players into groups. 600 percent for the 6 backs. And forwards. And 100 for the ruck. 500 for non ruck mids. This is how I see things towards year end. Not at the start. Comments about why I’ve done what I have below.

Backs:
Jones 90
Weiters 90
Plowman 85
Marchbank 85
Simmo 90
Willo 80
LOB 80

Mids:
Kennedy 70
Eddie 80
Walsh 80

Mid/forwards:
Crippa 70/20
Dow 40/40
SPS 40/40
Fish 40/40
Setters 40/40
Murph 40/40

Forwards:
CC 80
McGovern 80
Cuningham 80
Polson 80

Ruck/Forwards:
Kreuzer 80
McKay 20/60

Firstly I’m well aware Soap tells us LOB is to be played wing /forward but because of numbers, I only see that being the case if there are midfield injuries or it takes Setters longer to get back. I believe his long term role will end up being Simmo replacement anyway. But that’s not the point of this post - just a quick clarifier.

Some guys I see only as mids: I don’t really see Kennedy, Curnow and Walsh as being able to play forward. Kennedy, while a decent mark, is too slow to put enough pressure on up forward for team balance. Curnow and Walsh are just out and out endurance freaks and neither presents as a likely weapon forward.

CC and McGovern will be hard running/ leading forwards. I’ve opted for Cuningham and Polson. I don’t see Cuningham getting midfield time if the mids are fit- there just not enough meaningful minutes to go around. He needs to do a Josh Thomas and make ‘goal sneak/forward pressure expert’ his go for the year in my view. Polson is by far and away our best pressure forward and I’m happy now to give him a good go for the year to see if he can develop composure and goal kicking further.

McKay and Kreuzer are the obvious ruck combo. I don’t see Kreuzer spending time forward. Crippa will perform that ‘relief forward’ role. I don’t think K is a good forward and I also think he does best when given time to just focus on the ruck role.

Which leaves the complicated mid/forward group to explain. Here’s how I see it:

Kennedy will back up Crippa at centre bounces when Crippa rests or goes forward. He will join the mids in general play but won’t often be at the centre bounce with Crippa- it makes us too slow defensively our if the middle. General play is easier to cover.

I think Murph and Setters will have their midfield time as ‘wings’ this year. I’d say Setters plays later but when he does it won’t be on ball. That’s in years to come. He plays wing this year when he gets his minutes. I think murph stays out of the centre. Probably Eddie out of the centre most of the time too due to better ‘off the mark pace’ options in Fish/Dow/Walsh/SPS.

So centre bounce combos will mainly be:

Crippa backed up by kennedy
Dow and Walsh taking a lot(sometimes together).
SPS Fish backing up Dow and Walsh a lot.

Kennedy and eddie join that group after centre bounces (they occasionally go there as well but not as often).

Not sure SPS Dow Fish can handle the load Walsh and Eddie can. Hence why they get less mid minutes but it keeps them effective when in midfield. I don’t think Kennedy can handle a full 80 percent load either which is why I dropped him back to 70. I’d like to keep him fresh.

Looks a lovely balance to me.
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This intrigued me.

I took Matty411's BF consensus team and grabbed their TOG numbers from last year. Where possible I removed notable injury games (Kennedy, Kreuzer, Plow, Weiters, etc who went off fairly early) and I just used the 2017 numbers for Willo, McGovern & Fasolo. I also assumed Setters might be good for 70% and Walsh 75% which I don't think is particularly crazy, especially when balanced by the fact that I haven't added anything to Dow, O'Brien, etc who will be fitter in their 2nd season. Conveniently, the sum of these TOG averages ended up at 1800.

So in theory each unit of 6 needs a score of 600. I've effectively worked out how many 'extra units' we get from the midfield, 10 players for 5 on-field positions, and then used the excess TOG to fill out the defenders, forwards and of course Harry giving Kreuz a chop out.

This is what I got:

Backs:
Jones 93
Simpson 91
Plowman 89
Marchbank 86
Weitering 84
Williamson 75
Newman 73
O'Brien 9

Midfield:
Ed 70
Cripps 69
Murphy 58
Kennedy 47
O'Brien 47
Fisher 46
SPS 45
Walsh 43
Dow 40
Setterfield 35

Ruck:
Kreuzer 82
McKay 18

Forwards:
Charlie 89
Fasolo 84
McGovern 83
McKay 63
Walsh 35
Setterfield 35
Murphy 30
Fisher 30
SPS 30
Kennedy 30
Dow 30
O'Brien 21
Ed 20
Cripps 20

I didn't put too much effort into the mid rotations forward, gave Ed & Cripps the least with 20, new boys Walsh & Setters the most with 35, everyone else got 30 (although 9 of Lochie's rotation tog went down back to get 600 there).

In reality there will be a bit more balance between the senior guys and the younger crew as Fish, Dow, O'Brien, SPS, Kennedy, etc should all be able to add to their numbers from last year, which is what I used above.
 
Re O'brien, i don't see the point in having O'bien playing half back, when you have what looks like a perfect linkman who can kick. We need to attack the game from now on. There is a difference between a distributor and a linkman.
 

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CJMB said:
This intrigued me.

I took Matty411's BF consensus team and grabbed their TOG numbers from last year. Where possible I removed notable injury games (Kennedy, Kreuzer, Plow, Weiters, etc who went off fairly early) and I just used the 2017 numbers for Willo, McGovern & Fasolo. I also assumed Setters might be good for 70% and Walsh 75% which I don't think is particularly crazy, especially when balanced by the fact that I haven't added anything to Dow, O'Brien, etc who will be fitter in their 2nd season. Conveniently, the sum of these TOG averages ended up at 1800.

So in theory each unit of 6 needs a score of 600. I've effectively worked out how many 'extra units' we get from the midfield, 10 players for 5 on-field positions, and then used the excess TOG to fill out the defenders, forwards and of course Harry giving Kreuz a chop out.

This is what I got:

Backs:
Jones 93
Simpson 91
Plowman 89
Marchbank 86
Weitering 84
Williamson 75
Newman 73
O'Brien 9

Midfield:
Ed 70
Cripps 69
Murphy 58
Kennedy 47
O'Brien 47
Fisher 46
SPS 45
Walsh 43
Dow 40
Setterfield 35

Ruck:
Kreuzer 82
McKay 18

Forwards:
Charlie 89
Fasolo 84
McGovern 83
McKay 63
Walsh 35
Setterfield 35
Murphy 30
Fisher 30
SPS 30
Kennedy 30
Dow 30
O'Brien 21
Ed 20
Cripps 20

I didn't put too much effort into the mid rotations forward, gave Ed & Cripps the least with 20, new boys Walsh & Setters the most with 35, everyone else got 30 (although 9 of Lochie's rotation tog went down back to get 600 there).

In reality there will be a bit more balance between the senior guys and the younger crew as Fish, Dow, O'Brien, SPS, Kennedy, etc should all be able to add to their numbers from last year, which is what I used above.
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I bloody intrigued you and didn’t even get a like.

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I see the preferred starting mids may eventually become Cripps, Walsh & Dow.
All have something different to bring to the middle and could become a 80-90 possessions-a-game trio.
The next group also have little issue getting hand to ball; Fisher, Kennedy, Setterfield & all being well, Petrevski-Seton.

There are plenty of possessions to come about from that group alone, but it may take a little time to sort out and develop.
Also can't help feeling that one more quality mature mid, just ties up any possible loose ends. (Yes, Coniglio)

I don't think we're too far away from seeing 400 possession games from the CFC, with the fitness base clocking up and more quality ball handlers at our disposal. That will make for a welcome sight......especially so for the forwards.
 
HARKER said:
I see the preferred starting mids may eventually become Cripps, Walsh & Dow.
All have something different to bring to the middle and could become a 80-90 possessions-a-game trio.
The next group also have little issue getting hand to ball; Fisher, Kennedy, Setterfield & all being well, Petrevski-Seton.

There are plenty of possessions to come about from that group alone, but it may take a little time to sort out and develop.
Also can't help feeling that one more quality mature mid, just ties up any possible loose ends. (Yes, Coniglio)

I don't think we're too far away from seeing 400 possession games from the CFC, with the fitness base clocking up and more quality ball handlers at our disposal. That will make for a welcome sight......especially so for the forwards.
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Spot on Harks, the more possessions our midfield get the more dangerous Curnow, McKay and McGovern become. Better results will follow.
 
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HARKER said:
I see the preferred starting mids may eventually become Cripps, Walsh & Dow.
All have something different to bring to the middle and could become a 80-90 possessions-a-game trio.
The next group also have little issue getting hand to ball; Fisher, Kennedy, Setterfield & all being well, Petrevski-Seton.

There are plenty of possessions to come about from that group alone, but it may take a little time to sort out and develop.
Also can't help feeling that one more quality mature mid, just ties up any possible loose ends. (Yes, Coniglio)

I don't think we're too far away from seeing 400 possession games from the CFC, with the fitness base clocking up and more quality ball handlers at our disposal. That will make for a welcome sight......especially so for the forwards.
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600..Cripps could get 200 on his own :)
 

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