Our pace bowlers

[Alexwce]

1. Pattinson
2. Siddle
3. Hilfenhaus
4. Harris
5. Cummins

At the current time that is how I would have them.

Certainly Cummins can rocket up that order very quickly but he has played 4 FC games and one of them is a test and has injury issues.

Harris is old AND always injured. If Siddle and Hilfenhaus are in form, like currently, I think both are ahead in the pecking order. But it is risk/reward with Harris and if either drop in form, Harris is in every time. When Watson is right to bowl then maybe Harris leapfrogs both again.

I've bumped Cummins and Harris down due to injuries so a little contradictory to have Pattinson as one but the way I see it he has experience over Cummins and youth over Harris. He has the action and the fire to make you think that he will be good in any conditions.

Harris may be on his last leg but until he is injured will not lose his spot in the side, barring form. Doubt Pattinson is picked before Siddle despite his remarkable start.

 

[The Passenger]

1. Pattinson
2. Siddle
3. Hilfenhaus
4. Harris
5. Cummins

yeah that's how i see it too.

amazing lazarus like return from the grave from hilfenhaus. i'll admit i was one who thought his selection in the australia a game was pointless and wanted to see faulkner bought into the actual test team in front of him for the indian tests...

funny how thing's go.

there is really nothing seperating those five, and the rest aren't that far behind so players can go up and down those ratings very quickly at the moment.

 

[dan warna]

I don't see starc or copeland of mckay in the same category as that 5 listed.

the only reason I rated Harris a bit lower is because of his unlucky history of injury.

Cutting and Faulkner should be looked at as well, if they continue their good form.

 

[Mr Magic]

1. Pattinson
2. Siddle
3. Hilfenhaus
4. Harris
5. Cummins

At the current time that is how I would have them.

Certainly Cummins can rocket up that order very quickly but he has played 4 FC games and one of them is a test and has injury issues.

Harris is old AND always injured. If Siddle and Hilfenhaus are in form, like currently, I think both are ahead in the pecking order. But it is risk/reward with Harris and if either drop in form, Harris is in every time. When Watson is right to bowl then maybe Harris leapfrogs both again.

I've bumped Cummins and Harris down due to injuries so a little contradictory to have Pattinson as one but the way I see it he has experience over Cummins and youth over Harris. He has the action and the fire to make you think that he will be good in any conditions.

I like Starc as well but the best thing about the list is no Johnson!!!! Finally , a step up and Lee is not even being mentioned as well as others!!!!

 

[dan warna]

Hilfy going up the charts in value for money.

Man who steps aside when a full list of bowlers is available?

Cummins and Pattinson are both very young and very good starts. siddle? dominating. Hilfy? Dominating!, Harris, an average test for him, but bowled well without luck, and has an awesome career behind him already.

Starc? a good test match for him.

 

[R00StaR]

No doubt we have a great list of fast bowlers right now and with the young guys pushing on probably for 10 years or more.

For mine theres little point in having all that talent if it isnt used. We dont want to rely on Siddle, Hilfenhaus and Harris as it blocks out the young guys. The beauty of depth is the ability to rotate, keep them fresh, hungry and hopefully injury free.

Id like to see one of Pattinson, Cummins, Starc always in the team and rotated. We dont want to flog the young guys by playing them all, all of the time, so rotate them. 2 of 3 older guys above and then the last spot coming down to the need for a spinner or another quick (either 2 youngins or 3 older heads.

Ideally by the time the younger guys have to step up to lead the attack they have 3-4 years of experience and conditioning without flogging their young developing bodies. But they need opportunities at the same time.

View it as a squad of fast bowlers and rotate imo.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Can we just play them all. Most make more runs than the batsmen often anyway....lol!

 

[dan warna]

No doubt we have a great list of fast bowlers right now and with the young guys pushing on probably for 10 years or more.

For mine theres little point in having all that talent if it isnt used. We dont want to rely on Siddle, Hilfenhaus and Harris as it blocks out the young guys. The beauty of depth is the ability to rotate, keep them fresh, hungry and hopefully injury free.

Id like to see one of Pattinson, Cummins, Starc always in the team and rotated. We dont want to flog the young guys by playing them all, all of the time, so rotate them. 2 of 3 older guys above and then the last spot coming down to the need for a spinner or another quick (either 2 youngins or 3 older heads.

Ideally by the time the younger guys have to step up to lead the attack they have 3-4 years of experience and conditioning without flogging their young developing bodies. But they need opportunities at the same time.

View it as a squad of fast bowlers and rotate imo.

I disagree to some degree.

Would like our best bowlers available and fit to be selected.

I dont think starc is in the same category as Pattinson and Cummins. I don't think Harris has more than 10 test matches in him either, unfortunately, he'll go by the way of Stuart Clark, an outstanding but short test career. At 32 he's got maybe 2 or 3 years in him.

Siddle and Hilfy have 40 and 30 tests in them, given their age, at 27 and 28 going 29 respectively. Siddle is a tank. Hilfy's looks so elegant bowling as well. Much much improved.

Cummins and Pattinson, one of them will go on to 300 test wickets, history tells us one of them will suffer an injury that curtails their careers. Would love it if both went on to be the cornerstone of a bowling renaissance with hundreds of wickets at 25 or better.

Starc only in the side because we played 4 pacemen and others are out injured.

On the sidelines are tait, MJ, copeland, Hazlewood, Mckay, faulkner and Cutting. For me, cutting at 24 going 25 looks really exciting as well. Should have been selected ahead of starc at 22 going 23 but <shrug>.

Sadly injuries may dictate who actually plays with cutting, cummins, pattinson, Harris, McKay, Hazlewood, MJ, tait amongst others suffering injuries in the past few years.

Another point should be our entire bowling attack has about 250 wickets, or about what dizzy got in his career.

Right now we are dreaming, lets hope in 10 years we can come back and crow at our brilliant attack

 

[realsniper09]

View it as a squad of fast bowlers and rotate imo.

Agree. But when it comes down to it, if we're playing the Ashes, we are going to go with our A-Team when we can.
It would be great to rotate in other series though...

As for the order, don't have a clue.

We just need a good variety of bowling styles. Will be interesting when Watson comes back. Hopefully, he doesn't have to bowl as much and can concentrate on his batting (wherever that may be in the order), because that's where the weakness is.

The bowling team is a great luxury at the moment. Who'd would have thought this at the start of the summer when Siddle was to lead the attack with Pattinson and Starc as debutants?? We thought we were stuffed without Harris... and Cummins to an extent.

 

[Jimthegreat]

I like Starc as well but the best thing about the list is no Johnson!!!! Finally , a step up and Lee is not even being mentioned as well as others!!!!

Imagine Lee in the mix too, not that we need him or would play him. Albeit while it's the short form of the game he's bowling better than at anytime in his career. His idea of getting old is a drop in pace from near 160k to 150k.

For India the pace in the ODIs is actually going to get faster.

 

[dan warna]

Lee, great ODI bowler, could be in our best ever ODI team. good ordinary test bowler.

 

[aussierulesrules]

The one day and T20 attack will be interesting sans Johnson.

I'd like both Siddle and Hilfy to be kept away from those sides this time around.

With the injuries to the young guys it's hard to form an attack the selectors would pick without them unfortunately.

Now that Siddle is pitching the ball up more and getting swing, etc, he may actually be pretty good value in the ODI's again (as he was in the very beginning, before he lost the plot and started pitching it shorter, bowling poo, etc) but I still would probably prefer it if they kept him for tests, which they certainly can do now.
When he first started playing for Australia, I thought Hilfy was better suited to ODI's than tests, and he looked great in the Big Bash a month ago, so I'd probably pick him in the ODI's ahead of Siddle, but again, we don't really need to risk him.
Harris has an outrageously good ODI record (average 16, strike rate 20!) so he picks himself, if they want to get games into him, but he could also be left to concentrate on tests.
Brett Lee still picks himself pretty much and now that Clint McKay is fully fit again he could easily be picked (has an ODI average of 21 and strike rate of 26, with 5 for 33 in his last match for Aus) and they reckon Patto and Cummins are aiming to play in the ODI's v India and Sri Lanka, to get their fitness back again. Then there's Starc, who is bowling really well at the moment and who has a much better one day record than first class record at this stage (including a 4-for in an ODI for Aust). Coulter-Nile is another that could definitely be given a crack in that series.
So there's no shortage of options if they want to give Sidds, Hilf and Ryano a break for the Tri-series.
A bowling line-up of Brett Lee and either Patto, or Cummins, for the out and out speed, plus C-Mac for variety and Doherty and or Smith for spin, would be perfectly acceptable. If Watto doesn't play they will probably also bring in Christian, for a long overdue shot at it and he also brings some bowling ability to the table.
For the T20's, Nannes is probably still close to as good as anyone in the country in that format and Lee is still good at those too, so that's two who could easily play and then Faulkner is another genuine option there, as is Starc and NCN, who also brings outstanding fielding to the table.
We have so many options now that we could get away with having squads for all 3 forms and having only two or three play more than one form for Aus. In fact, now that we have at least 4 outstanding test options, there is little need (unless we have multiple injuries) to play Cummins in any tests until he gets some more first class matches and strength into him. He could just play T20's and ODI's and Sheffield Shield/County cricket for the next 12 months.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Hilf - 29.15
Siddle - 29.75
Pattison - 18.12
Cummins - 16.71
Harris - 22.02

How good does it look to have so many guys averaging under 30. Even Starc at 33.75 is looking better.

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

I think they were flattered a bit by the pitches plus the utter hopelessness of india's batting when facing pace, but yeah, signs are good.

Pattison and Cummins both show amazing talent (great combination of pace, swing and accuracy) but there is a long road ahead of them, the big thing is how their bodies will handle the vicissitudes of pace bowling. Having Siddle on hand as the workhorse will help both of them.

The guy I can't get over is Hilfy though- he has had a downright staggering series, there were 3 or 4 over patches in almost every innings where he was verging on unplayable- surely he can't pull this sort of thing off regularly, he is like a different player.

Must be a fun time to be a pace bowler in the Australian side right now- nothing better than wandering into the field after a hard spell, knowing the batsman is going to be under continous pressure from your teammates whilst you are getting rested for another spell- it is that kind of cumulative, continous unrelenting, pace/good length/swing bowling which just ratchets up the pressure until they crack.

 

[Tazwegian]

I think they were flattered a bit by the pitches plus the utter hopelessness of india's batting when facing pace, but yeah, signs are good.

Do you mean the same pitches that at one stage Australia had only lost one wicket for 800 runs on? Do you mean the same Indian batting line up that is rated as one of the best of all time?