Roast Our Tackling

[mopsy]

Jake Kings retirement has left a huge hole in our forward line, Morris, Lloyd just simply don't do enough.. We need small forwards who can kick goals, and put on defensive pressure..

What Jake King did these things to a high level. I must have been watching a different Jake King.

On the OP This is an area that should have been targeted 7 years ago when Hardwick took over. Yet every year this malaise that is our tackling is never addressed. There are so many reasons why the current footy regime should not be there. Tackling is just one of them.

 

[partycorolla]

Our tackling has sucked for the last three decades. Just isnt a strong part of our game. It must not be emphasized by the coaches.

Yet it is often evident when we are intense and 'on'....

I couldn't give a crap about total tackle numbers.... Provided we have the ball more, I'd expect it.... I care greatly about missed tackles though.... drives me nuts. The number of 1 arm tackles and diving attempts that will never come off is the real issue for me.

 

[Roachy8]

I cant help but to think our tackling reflects our game plan... control the pace of the game through possession and short kicks and if the other guys get it, control their ball movement by corralling them rather than aggressively attacking the player with the ball.

Too much going through the players heads sometimes IMO.

 

[KickittoRicho]

This has frustrated me for years. We don't tackle.

Not only that, we don't shepherd, don't block to create opportunities for teammates, just don't do ANY 1%'ers well.

I honestly believe we are a better side than St Kilda, but their tackling and desperation and manic pressure against Geelong made me envious. Tiges just don't do that. There is something wrong at this club, and it all stems from hardwick and his game plan.

 

[Drofder]

Craig McCrae's comment that "uncontested marking is our game" gives you an insight as to why we are a poor tackling team. Its about zone pressure and getting uncontested possessions.

That's great if you are a highly skilled team by hand and foot (e.g. Hawthorn), but when you have the number of mediocre to sub-par disposers that we have at Richmond, then you're asking for trouble.

Actually, whatever happened to that mantra 7 years ago that we would not look at ANY player that didn't have top shelf foot skills ? Seems to have gone out the door entirely.

 

[Googstar]

This has frustrated me for years. We don't tackle.

Not only that, we don't shepherd, don't block to create opportunities for teammates, just don't do ANY 1%'ers well.

I honestly believe we are a better side than St Kilda, but their tackling and desperation and manic pressure against Geelong made me envious. Tiges just don't do that. There is something wrong at this club, and it all stems from hardwick and his game plan.

.............has shitted me for years. So simple to fix yet no one even bothers.

 

[Dunger]

I can hear 17 coaches saying the same thing "Just run at edwards (or whoever), odds are he wont stick the tackle, they dont know how to tackle."

 

[mcuzzy]

This season we're the worst tackling team in the comp, 18th.

Previous seasons under Dimma:

2015 - 17th

2014 - 14th

2013 - 18th

2012 - 10th!/18

2011 - 15th/17

2010 - 12th/16

Now, let's compare to Sydney and Hawthorn. Not saying this means anything..just a comparison.

2016:

Swans - 1st
Hawks - 4th

2015:

Swans - 2nd
Hawks - 10th

2014:

Swans - 1st
Hawks - 16th

2013:

Swan - 1st
Hawks - 8th

2012:

Swans - 1st
Hawks - 5th

Funnily enough they're also two teams that we've been pretty good against in recent years

 

[RunningBounce]

aren't we 17th in the league for tackles? or last?

18th for number of tackles, and 18th for "one percenters" just now.

Wouldn't mind finding out where a person might get the differential stats. I'll bet we are last for tackle and one percenter differential too, and that's probably the most meaningful stat.

IMO, it's all about the intent and game plan. We don't intend to tackle, just corral, as is the wish of the coach. It's a real pity because some of the finest tacklers on the face of this planet are literal 500m across the road at the Melbourne Storm HQ. It COULD be a genuine competitive advantage, but we'd rather man the mark with star jumps.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

St Kilda showed on Saturday night what tackle pressure brings...
During parts, Cats players thought they were going to be tackled and made bad decisions due to the previous pressure...

Dont see that against us!

 

[KickittoRicho]

Craig McCrae's comment that "uncontested marking is our game" gives you an insight as to why we are a poor tackling team. Its about zone pressure and getting uncontested possessions.

That's great if you are a highly skilled team by hand and foot (e.g. Hawthorn), but when you have the number of mediocre to sub-par disposers that we have at Richmond, then you're asking for trouble.

Actually, whatever happened to that mantra 7 years ago that we would not look at ANY player that didn't have top shelf foot skills ? Seems to have gone out the door entirely.

McRae also mentioned something about looking sideways or something like that, I can't remember the exact sentence.

I nearly fell off the couch.

Came dangerously close to spilling the 17th beer that has become a prerequisite to get thorough the pain that is watching this footy club play.

I thought dicing coburg to get our own reserves side was a brilliant idea, until I realised that now TWO teams have to play the mind numbing Hardwick style.

 

[TigerImposter]

You won't get too many tackles with guys like bellis Hampson lambert TV and co running around .

 

[Growapair]

It is deplorable. What a joke.

I heard Hardwick in his Dissection video during the week explain why we wave our arms instead of tackling but seriously it's killing us.

We let players break our tackles almost every time and if that doesn't happen it's because we've just stuck a hand out instead

Dimmas dissection. 20 years ago you would be having closed training sessions. Now the opposition doesnt even have to dress up in disguises to know what where up to. We put the bloody coach on the internet explaining our tactics. Just an example of how the club puts profits ahead of football.

I understand the not tackling thing but after we have been doing it for 7 years I think every player in the AFL knows by now we aren't going to tackle we are just going to wave our hands in the air.

North Melbourne do a fantastic job of coralling and tackling. You could put the difference in the score in our game down to their tackle pressure and our lack of it!

 

[SpudsLoveChild]

I cant help but to think our tackling reflects our game plan... control the pace of the game through possession and short kicks and if the other guys get it, control their ball movement by corralling them rather than aggressively attacking the player with the ball.

Too much going through the players heads sometimes IMO.

Doesn't take a genius to realise that corralling a player gives them time and space. Tackling and direct pressure gives a player less time to make a decision, and also brings implied pressure to bear.

This thread and our game plan does my head in.

#sackdimma

 

[Goldust]

This season we're the worst tackling team in the comp, 18th.

Previous seasons under Dimma:

2015 - 17th

2014 - 14th

2013 - 18th

2012 - 10th!/18

2011 - 15th/17

2010 - 12th/16

Now, let's compare to Sydney and Hawthorn. Not saying this means anything..just a comparison.

2016:

Swans - 1st
Hawks - 4th

2015:

Swans - 2nd
Hawks - 10th

2014:

Swans - 1st
Hawks - 16th

2013:

Swan - 1st
Hawks - 8th

2012:

Swans - 1st
Hawks - 5th

Funnily enough they're also two teams that we've been pretty good against in recent years

YOU are missing the point, as Dimma says: "We have a better list now that at any time in his tenure at Richmond."
It's just that it's a list full of players that can't and won't tackle. But it's a great list.

 

[Growapair]

Dimmas dissection. 20 years ago you would be having closed training sessions. Now the opposition doesnt even have to dress up in disguises to know what where up to. We put the bloody coach on the internet explaining our tactics. Just an example of how the club puts profits ahead of football.

I understand the not tackling thing but after we have been doing it for 7 years I think every player in the AFL knows by now we aren't going to tackle we are just going to wave our hands in the air.

North Melbourne do a fantastic job of coralling and tackling. You could put the difference in the score in our game down to their tackle pressure and our lack of it!

I know I really shouldn't quote myself but ...

THIS!

 

[mopsy]

I know I really shouldn't quote myself but ...

THIS!

7 yrs in and still nothing changes.
You know what though most dont see it but we get beaten up because of the body types we play.We play so many small types in areas that really requires big ger hard at it uncompromising types in the role.
The dilemma is the few bigger bodied types we do have are freakin ordinary. Still weather he got a kick or not i thin Jacob Townsend would have helped out heaps tonight.

 

[tigerT]

Yet it is often evident when we are intense and 'on'....

I couldn't give a crap about total tackle numbers.... Provided we have the ball more, I'd expect it.... I care greatly about missed tackles though.... drives me nuts. The number of 1 arm tackles and diving attempts that will never come off is the real issue for me.

i do when we are consistently near the bottom of the competition in this stat year in year out, tells me something is nqr

 

[Punt Road Feral]

This season we're the worst tackling team in the comp, 18th.

Previous seasons under Dimma:

2015 - 17th

2014 - 14th

2013 - 18th

2012 - 10th!/18

2011 - 15th/17

2010 - 12th/16

Now, let's compare to Sydney and Hawthorn. Not saying this means anything..just a comparison.

2016:

Swans - 1st
Hawks - 4th

2015:

Swans - 2nd
Hawks - 10th

2014:

Swans - 1st
Hawks - 16th

2013:

Swan - 1st
Hawks - 8th

2012:

Swans - 1st
Hawks - 5th

Funnily enough they're also two teams that we've been pretty good against in recent years

McCuzzy, the Herald Sun basically took your stats and published it in yesterday's paper.

I swear it's like I re-read what was on here from weeks back.

 

[SpudsLoveChild]

McCuzzy, the Herald Sun basically took your stats and published it in yesterday's paper.

I swear it's like I re-read what was on here from weeks back.

McCuzzy is Robbo!

 

[Roachy8]

McCuzzy is Robbo!

Robbo does rate Lids!

 

[mcuzzy]

McCuzzy, the Herald Sun basically took your stats and published it in yesterday's paper.

I swear it's like I re-read what was on here from weeks back.

Second time they've done that.

The first time was our W/L ratio with Deledio vs. without Deledio.

They're just lazy.

 

[TheDyerLegacy]

Second time they've done that.

The first time was our W/L ratio with Deledio vs. without Deledio.

They're just lazy.

OR.. you're a journo?

 

[Hoos]

One of the several things that continue to drive me to new depths of despair regarding this 'team', is the manning of the mark. Particularly, when the umpire calls play on. Just watch how many times our players charge at the opposition player with the ball. I've seen other teams do it...sometimes it even causes a mistake!

Just like our tackling, shepherding, blocking, etc...they're just things that other teams do.

 

[mcuzzy]

OR.. you're a journo?

I can't believe how absolutely rubbish that film is.

I used to love it when I was a teen.

'Cass' is bloody good viewing though.