Strategy Our tagger

[Schraderbrau]

right now we have only one good player so i think we should just give the ball to pendlebury and form a flying v

If we do want someone to tag then it will be greenwood. It seems as if the complete shit down players are not trendy anymore, you now need a guy who can get at least 20 kicks the other way

 

[PTpie]

WHy not train up Crisp for the shut down role? Size, speed, strength, he seems to have a pretty good set of attributes. It'll also give him exposure to some of the best players in the game. Giving him more experience on where to be and what to do if we really have to play a tagger.

Just a thought anyways

 

[motr]

WHy not train up Crisp for the shut down role? Size, speed, strength, he seems to have a pretty good set of attributes. It'll also give him exposure to some of the best players in the game. Giving him more experience on where to be and what to do if we really have to play a tagger.

Just a thought anyways

Was about to make the same suggestion myself. The sooner we get Crisp into the midfield the better.

 

[Kappa]

No tagger isn't the answer

All the best teams have taggers that nullify the opponents most important players and then win their own ball. I don't think Macaffer will able coming off a knee reco so I'll say Sinclair for faster players and Williams for the slower inside types

 

[suspect footskills]

I think a tagging/run-with role could be part of Marsh's development. He's played his junior footy as a mid but iirc, hasn't really been role-coached at any level prior to being drafted. I think part of his huge slide from being potential top ten to - was a lack of knowledge about the kid. Iirc, that is.
In any case he'd have almost any mid covered from a height/strength/acceleration standpoint and I think it could teach him how the best mids go about it, rounding out his game. His highlight reel was some incredible viewing. He's going to be a very good player if we get his development right I think.

 

[Buckley is my hero]

No tagger isn't the answer

All the best teams have taggers that nullify the opponents most important players and then win their own ball. I don't think Macaffer will able coming off a knee reco so I'll say Sinclair for faster players and Williams for the slower inside types

Didn't have a tagger in our premiership year. Don't need one now. Players need to know how to defend and when to leave your man and attack. All the best football teams play one on one football, not loose defenders or taggers.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Didn't have a tagger in our premiership year. Don't need one now. Players need to know how to defend and when to leave your man and attack. All the best football teams play one on one football, not loose defenders or taggers.

Our midfield at the time was the best in the comp by a margin. We could go head to head knowing that very few teams could get near us. Right now our midfield is developing and we need something to help stem the bleeding when the opposition is on top.

I like the Crisp and Marsh suggestions. Left field choices but they seem to have the attributes. Langdon could be another as Hine sees him as a midfielder long term and he has the combination of strength, defensive skills, kicking skills and marking ability that would make him ideal for the role. That said he looks special down back and with Maxwell gone and Scharenberg injured he could really make that mid sized back role his own. We have a few options at least.

 

[Bring_Back_Brad]

There is an art to good tagging, you can't just give it to anyone.
The player has to be relentless, be smart and be able to study their opponent, know how they play and how to best nullify them, have the fitness to run with the best midfielders.
They also need to be average enough a player that they aren't wasted on a tagging role.
I think Sinclair might be our best option, his career is at a crossroads having never really been a steady 22 player, has not excelled in any particular position and needs an opportunity to give him a chance of making himself useful.
He has the speed to burn off his opponent and get some touches when the ball is in our possession, and get back on top of his opponent if it gets turned over.
Marley is too good in defence to give up as a tagged.

 

[Kappa]

Didn't have a tagger in our premiership year. Don't need one now. Players need to know how to defend and when to leave your man and attack. All the best football teams play one on one football, not loose defenders or taggers.

2010 is largely irrelevant, football was very different back then. In 2010 our game plan was to kick the ball around the boundary line which meant there wasn't much space for the line breakers of the opposition to tear us apart, in 2014 we use the corridor a lot more and our kicking is worse meaning there is more space and more turnovers for the oppositions best players to tear us apart, not having a good tagger will cost us games in 2015 you can guarantee that.

it's a fact all the best teams have taggers like Mcveigh Barlow Langford ect

 

[TradeDraft]

I could see Sinclair possibly doing it. Limited Offensive Game but he could be a Stopped In the Backline

 

[suspect footskills]

Didn't have a tagger in our premiership year. Don't need one now. Players need to know how to defend and when to leave your man and attack. All the best football teams play one on one football, not loose defenders or taggers.

In addition to what Boris pointed out above regarding this, our game plan that year didn't have much need for a tagger. I still remember watching the Pies playing the Hawks and Dons with the ex in Bali and really watching the press come together.
Seeing the ball spend so much time in our forward half and the players seemingly being given license to just pepper the sticks from any angle told me we had something good going.
Our ability to win the ball at the centre bounce through Jolly and co. coupled with our outside run meant the ball was most likely headed our way and our structure kept it there. I loved the idea.
Nowadays, we're likely to see more and more taggers or close run with roles on flankers/outside players being used as the circle turns. Denying these types clean possession is a good tactic for a team like ours as we can't match the best teams in this area. Who am I kidding, we're not matching them in any areas really.

 

[TradeDraft]

Didn't have a tagger in our premiership year. Don't need one now. Players need to know how to defend and when to leave your man and attack. All the best football teams play one on one football, not loose defenders or taggers.

That is because our Forward Line put so much Pressure on the Oppostion Defense that they could not get it out of there Defensive 50 to get to the Midfield

 

[suspect footskills]

There is an art to good tagging, you can't just give it to anyone.
The player has to be relentless, be smart and be able to study their opponent, know how they play and how to best nullify them, have the fitness to run with the best midfielders.

If we can find such a player, I wouldn't mind if he was also well versed in the fine art of the mouth off and the subtleties of pinching, scragging, holding and other general nasty bastardry. Libba senior in Crowley's body would would be a good one. Or just Crowley as he ticks most of those boxes already.

 

[DrDavoren]

I would have our best clearance players in centre bounces with no tagger, but around the ground have marley do the tagging job

Great call, might also teach him what the best midfielders do so he can move into that role himself.

 

[Men of Steele]

If anyone votes for Fasolo they should hang up the keyboard and walk into the sunset. He cannott even defend let alone tag. If anyone has any thoughts on Fasolo playing defensivley watch the Anzac day game when Chapman shredded us in the first quarter and the WCE game late in the year, he made Josh Hill look like the greatest half forward to play the game. Fasolo is forward flank or VFL, he can learn how to tag or lift his workrate there.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

If anyone votes for Fasolo they should hang up the keyboard and walk into the sunset. He cannott even defend let alone tag. If anyone has any thoughts on Fasolo playing defensivley watch the Anzac day game when Chapman shredded us in the first quarter and the WCE game late in the year, he made Josh Hill look like the greatest half forward to play the game. Fasolo is forward flank or VFL, he can learn how to tag or lift his workrate there.

Being a tagger and a defender require different skill sets. They are completely different roles. Being poor in one doesn't mean you can't be good in the other, and vice versa. Brodie Holland was no defender but could tag. Wellingham wasn't either, but he played a run with role in a premiership side.

 

[Damon_3388]

Are the "we need a tagger" advocates seeing why I was suggesting trying to get Matt De Boer now? Big-bodied player who could fill the role admirably for us, and offers more both defensively and with the ball than Macaffer too.

 

[partypie]

I think a tagging/run-with role could be part of Marsh's development.

I don't mind the idea, but at 194cm with his elite speed would we be robbing Peter* to pay Paul* by trying to set him up as a tagger?

He'd be a pretty obvious candidate for medium forward / back / offensive wing with what he brings to the table for mine - also at 194cm he might be just that little bit too big to handle the medium-sized mids and the taller mids really do play "small" (ie. their agility / quickness belies their size at the clearances) so I'm not sure that he'd be able to keep up in that respect (even if he did have the tank).

*not referring to those slugs Jess and Connors respectively for the record...

 

[cleomenes]

I have a certain sympathy for the Paul Roos approach of sending his promising young players to tag the opposition's best as a tool in educating them about where to run and when. Many of the Swans current midfield stars learned their trade chasing the likes of Judd around. Those suggesting Marsh, Crisp or Seedsman in the role could have something. These guys could learn a lot about finding the ball from having a stint as tagger. Perhaps give them all a go at one time or another. We would find out a lot about them as they are dragged to the ball by someone who knows where to go, and then they have to compete for it with a star.

 

[MeisterBot]

Greenwood can't tag. As a tagger/run with player, he racked up the ball was but generally ineffective and bounced in and out of the team. It was only by letting him off the leash that he had his career best season last year.

Williams is my pick. Sinclair in the back line to replace him.

 

[Bring_Back_Brad]

If we can find such a player, I wouldn't mind if he was also well versed in the fine art of the mouth off and the subtleties of pinching, scragging, holding and other general nasty bastardry. Libba senior in Crowley's body would would be a good one. Or just Crowley as he ticks most of those boxes already.

True but personally I don't like seeing that. I didn't really even like the way Dids carried on sometimes.
I liked the way caff went about it, he took on the role to shut down his opponent, push the limits of the rules, wear his opponent like a glove and be relentless about it, but wasn't a nasty little shithead like some other taggers of the past.

 

[suspect footskills]

True but personally I don't like seeing that. I didn't really even like the way Dids carried on sometimes.
I liked the way caff went about it, he took on the role to shut down his opponent, push the limits of the rules, wear his opponent like a glove and be relentless about it, but wasn't a nasty little shithead like some other taggers of the past.

True, but if we could find one in the state leagues with the required fiendish ness it'd be good to put him on the VFL list just for shits n giggles and some bad press lol.
*pinch of salt

 

[suspect footskills]

I don't mind the idea, but at 194cm with his elite speed would we be robbing Peter* to pay Paul* by trying to set him up as a tagger?

He'd be a pretty obvious candidate for medium forward / back / offensive wing with what he brings to the table for mine - also at 194cm he might be just that little bit too big to handle the medium-sized mids and the taller mids really do play "small" (ie. their agility / quickness belies their size at the clearances) so I'm not sure that he'd be able to keep up in that respect (even if he did have the tank).

*not referring to those slugs Jess and Connors respectively for the record...

I absolutely agree, I wouldn't want him in the role long term. As a development tool though it could be good for him.
I think we might be planning to keep him down back long term though. He could be a game breaker and a one of a kind with huge value to the team if we get it right. Playing off hb, intercepting/rebounding down the wings with ridiculous pace whilst also locking down a tall or medium forward, he'd be a very dangerous I think. I haven't seen him live in the VFL but from all accounts he looks to be tracking really well. If he's as quick as he looks in those highlights I'll have to make it a priority to go and have a look.

 

[Men of Steele]

Being a tagger and a defender require different skill sets. They are completely different roles. Being poor in one doesn't mean you can't be good in the other, and vice versa. Brodie Holland was no defender but could tag. Wellingham wasn't either, but he played a run with role in a premiership side.

I'm not sure of your point really as Fasolo has niether of the skill sets required. Firstly he would have to start afresh as his first 22 years of football has consisted of trying to get away from an opponent rather than finding and playing on one. He has not picked up the basic concept of manning up and that it is 18 vs 18 out there. If you asked him about tagging his response would be " I know this one.... has it got something tö do with twitter or facebook"

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

I don't agree with that. You can't write a player off from playing a role they have never played. As I said earlier, I think Fasolo will be a midfielder long term and my suggestion is more to develop that defensive edge to his game. He has all the necessary skills and physical attributes in my view and the mental side is the only question mark. We will never know unless we give him a shot. He is clearly a big talent.

Whether we like it or not 2015 will be a development year and we don't want a best 22 player learning his role from vfl players. Just my opinion anyway