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gouki88 said:
With respect, are you a 23 year-old elite athlete renowned for your dedication to training?

The reigning Norm Smith medallist came off his ACL pretty well
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I get what you're implying. But it's a 2 year injury for athletes. First year physical recovery and rehab. The next year is a mental recovery, building confidence up.

And everyone is different. One may recover well, others won't. But the 2 year recovery thing is common with athletes.



Secondly, I just don't want Bailey Smith on the Pies.
 

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Carlthetruth said:
With Owies off to the Weagles can someone check on a certain poster who was ultra keen on securig his services.
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Wow that running joke really went a country mile over your head didn’t it.
 
upnsmoke said:
I get what you're implying. But it's a 2 year injury for athletes. First year physical recovery and rehab. The next year is a mental recovery, building confidence up.

And everyone is different. One may recover well, others won't. But the 2 year recovery thing is common with athletes.



Secondly, I just don't want Bailey Smith on the Pies.
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I don't think it is a 2 year recovery. McStay wasn't, Ashcroft wasn't.

Fair enough to not want him, lol
 
Apex36 said:
Wow that running joke really went a country mile over your head didn’t it.
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Carl doesn't have much of a sense of humour.

That's the truth.
 
gouki88 said:
I don't think it is a 2 year recovery. McStay wasn't, Ashcroft wasn't.

Fair enough to not want him, lol
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2 year recovery as in the second year is all about them playing below their best because they are scared to put their body under strain or trauma of recovery.

The 3rd year after injury they tend to be back to their best.

So even if McStay and Ashcroft recover in a year, both played below their best.

If you've had the ACL surgery and recovery experience... it is traumatic.
 

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From Marc McGowan in the Age:

The Dan Houston trade saga could prove to be a line-in-the-sand moment for clubs that have increasingly lost ground to players since free agency was introduced.

Longer-term contracts in the free agency age have gifted star footballers incredible security, yet they have still been able to force their way out of contracts to get to their club of choice.

In this case, Houston is contracted for four more seasons at Port Adelaide, as this masthead revealed in July.

The back-to-back All-Australian defender wants to play for Collingwood and not North Melbourne, which is the sticking point in this situation.

The Kangaroos are desperate to bring Houston in, to deliver their first big-name recruit in more than a decade, and have better assets to do it than the Pies.

The Power are happy to accommodate Houston’s request to play in black and white, as long as the deal is commensurate to his value.

Houston’s original suitors Melbourne were willing to hand over this year’s first-round pick and their future one in preliminary discussions between the clubs, at a time the Demons were still on track to play finals.

Houston had a change of heart on joining the Demons after Christian Petracca’s grievances with the club were played out publicly.

The reason the three-way deal with Gold Coast, Collingwood and Port Adelaide broke down on Monday night was because the Power see Houston’s return as effectively picks 13 and 29, which they do not think is fair.

The Power privately accept that the Suns’ pick 23 will be part of the deal that reunites Daniel Rioli with his former coach Damien Hardwick on the Gold Coast, but something will have to give if Houston is to become a Magpie.

At least one of picks 13 or 29 will almost certainly need to be improved upon for Houston to change clubs, unless he is willing to head to Arden Street to play for North under Alastair Clarkson.
 
So do Collingwood need to allow Port wear there Magpie Jumper more to get the Houston Trade Done?
 
So the Port board stepped in to stop the trade:
www.abc.net.au

Monster three-team, five-player trade sends Dan Houston to Collingwood — as it happened

Dan Houston has been granted his wish to join Collingwood after the Magpies agreed on a three-team deal with Port Adelaide and the Gold Coast Suns, while West Coast was grilled over a controversial trade move.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

Feels a lot like they don't want the backlash from the supporters.

I'd say they had a fair deal with some minor tweaks possible.
 
Pragmatic Shill said:
From Marc McGowan in the Age:

The Dan Houston trade saga could prove to be a line-in-the-sand moment for clubs that have increasingly lost ground to players since free agency was introduced.

Longer-term contracts in the free agency age have gifted star footballers incredible security, yet they have still been able to force their way out of contracts to get to their club of choice.

In this case, Houston is contracted for four more seasons at Port Adelaide, as this masthead revealed in July.

The back-to-back All-Australian defender wants to play for Collingwood and not North Melbourne, which is the sticking point in this situation.

The Kangaroos are desperate to bring Houston in, to deliver their first big-name recruit in more than a decade, and have better assets to do it than the Pies.

The Power are happy to accommodate Houston’s request to play in black and white, as long as the deal is commensurate to his value.

Houston’s original suitors Melbourne were willing to hand over this year’s first-round pick and their future one in preliminary discussions between the clubs, at a time the Demons were still on track to play finals.

Houston had a change of heart on joining the Demons after Christian Petracca’s grievances with the club were played out publicly.

The reason the three-way deal with Gold Coast, Collingwood and Port Adelaide broke down on Monday night was because the Power see Houston’s return as effectively picks 13 and 29, which they do not think is fair.

The Power privately accept that the Suns’ pick 23 will be part of the deal that reunites Daniel Rioli with his former coach Damien Hardwick on the Gold Coast, but something will have to give if Houston is to become a Magpie.

At least one of picks 13 or 29 will almost certainly need to be improved upon for Houston to change clubs, unless he is willing to head to Arden Street to play for North under Alastair Clarkson.
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This is such a sleight of hand (by media probably). Its them saying the Richards trade is for pick 39 unilaterally. Richards has proven he is afl grade is not old. You cant buy someone like that for pick 39 unless the other club wants to let them go.
 
Quicky said:
So the Port board stepped in to stop the trade:
www.abc.net.au

Monster three-team, five-player trade sends Dan Houston to Collingwood — as it happened

Dan Houston has been granted his wish to join Collingwood after the Magpies agreed on a three-team deal with Port Adelaide and the Gold Coast Suns, while West Coast was grilled over a controversial trade move.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

Feels a lot like they don't want the backlash from the supporters.

I'd say they had a fair deal with some minor tweaks possible.
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That or the Lukocious deal is separated.
 
Jonno94 said:
We should have traded pick 13 and our future first to West Coast for pick 3. The Houston deal has been a waste of time and is too high a price to pay. Carlton were smart to move on and move up the draft board instead. This club continues to disappoint at this time of the year and is too tunnel visioned on spending big for established players.
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It is too early to say Carlton were smart. Don’t think complaining about pick trades should occur until you see how the player picked looks.
Note the last player they picked up at 3 was Dow and the last at 13 was Cripps.
 
Pragmatic Shill said:
From Marc McGowan in the Age:

The Dan Houston trade saga could prove to be a line-in-the-sand moment for clubs that have increasingly lost ground to players since free agency was introduced.

Longer-term contracts in the free agency age have gifted star footballers incredible security, yet they have still been able to force their way out of contracts to get to their club of choice.

In this case, Houston is contracted for four more seasons at Port Adelaide, as this masthead revealed in July.

The back-to-back All-Australian defender wants to play for Collingwood and not North Melbourne, which is the sticking point in this situation.

The Kangaroos are desperate to bring Houston in, to deliver their first big-name recruit in more than a decade, and have better assets to do it than the Pies.

The Power are happy to accommodate Houston’s request to play in black and white, as long as the deal is commensurate to his value.

Houston’s original suitors Melbourne were willing to hand over this year’s first-round pick and their future one in preliminary discussions between the clubs, at a time the Demons were still on track to play finals.

Houston had a change of heart on joining the Demons after Christian Petracca’s grievances with the club were played out publicly.

The reason the three-way deal with Gold Coast, Collingwood and Port Adelaide broke down on Monday night was because the Power see Houston’s return as effectively picks 13 and 29, which they do not think is fair.

The Power privately accept that the Suns’ pick 23 will be part of the deal that reunites Daniel Rioli with his former coach Damien Hardwick on the Gold Coast, but something will have to give if Houston is to become a Magpie.

At least one of picks 13 or 29 will almost certainly need to be improved upon for Houston to change clubs, unless he is willing to head to Arden Street to play for North under Alastair Clarkson.
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When Geelong got Cameron... media not so loud.


Now that Collingwood is involved, board members, media and pundits are all up and arms.


Anti-Collingwood is real.

AFL better be watching. Verbal agreed trade concepts to be turned around because Board members aren't fully happy is so personal and subjective. It's a bad look.


Houston needs to just declare he wants Pies, only way to force their hands. Also tell GC to suck eggs with Noble if this falls through. GC needs to offer 23 instead of 29, OR Port gets their F1 removed from the table.
 

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