Opinion Our Under 23 year old players and how they are tracking.

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Who has the best crop of U23s?
We rank them from worst to best

GEELONG 9th
Under-23 players: 21 players in total
Brandan Parfitt (48 games), Jack Henry (38 games), James Parsons (35 games), Nakia Cockatoo (34 games), Mark O'Connor (25 games), Esava Ratugolea (21 games), Gryan Miers (18 games), Jordan Clark (17 games), Lachlan Fogarty (17 games), Zach Guthrie (17 games), Charlie Constable (7 games), Jamaine Jones (7 games), Quinton Narkle (6 games), Sam Simpson (6 games), Oscar Brownless, Ben Jarvis, Jacob Kennerley, Nathan Kreuger, Stefan Okunbor, Blake Schlensog, Jake Tarca.
Rising Star nominees: Five players in total
Brandan Parfitt (2017), Jack Henry (2018), Gryan Miers, Jordan Clark, Charlie Constable (2019).
No.1 star: Speedster Jordan Clark has only scratched the surface as a first-round draftee and has already been elevated from half-back to wing. The former cricketer had an interrupted pre-season but is a lock in the Cats' 22 bound for finals.


Biggest upside: Very few 21-game players are as important to their side as power forward Esava Ratugolea. After breaking his leg last season, watch for Ratugolea to explode in 2020 with a full summer under his belt.
Needs to show more:
Hip surgery in February meant Lachie Fogarty lost valuable momentum into this season after an impressive debut year in 2018. Has since played AFL but finds himself in the VFL and should be pushing for a senior finals berth.
Summary:
Of the 21 players listed, only two are first-round draft picks. That could double in November if they use their current pick and move out Tim Kelly for an early selection. But history suggests as long as the Cats are in the finals frame, they'll be active in trade period. - Mitch Cleary
Esava Ratugolea's marking presence up forward has the Cats excited. Picture: AFL Photos


https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-31/who-has-the-best-crop-of-u23s-we-rank-them-from-worst-to-best
 

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Turbocat

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“Staff writers” aren’t even willing to put their name to it. Says something.
Im not specifically saying the assessment is right or wrong but its not particularly insightful. Based on what they have seen at the level .. they may as well have 21-25 yo olds and not count the kids. Its very simplistic to base t only on what you have seen at afl level imo.. do you have 8 fingers and two thumbs.. gee I can see 2 thumbs ..not sure on the fingers as you have a fist formed... you probably have a couple of fingers missing. They say SavRat is really good potential cause of what they have seen yet the saints have Max King on their list but don't rate him as they have seen him ..?

Perhaps CE it needs one of your patented line graphs with projections etc ..

but if we assume its some what accurate ... the overall system must be cooked. How could Geelong be anywhere near middle after they have traded out picks etc. So is it really a gauge on well and development etc.

By the way, Carlton would have been top 3 on this list for at least the past decade so that gives you some indication of its relevance and importance.
Probably says it all...

Im not sure you want the best list of 18-23's.. you want the best list of 22-28..
 

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catempire

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Im not sure you want the best list of 18-23's.. you want the best list of 22-28..
Bang.

A common mistake by the punditry is to assume the best group of kids will inevitably become premiership stars. We have ample evidence now to show that’s nowhere near the case. So much else in a development and progression sense needs to go right.
 

Turbocat

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Bang.

A common mistake by the punditry is to assume the best group of kids will inevitably become premiership stars. We have ample evidence now to show that’s nowhere near the case. So much else in a development and progression sense needs to go right.
and hence ..even a great talent eye like Well has cast his eye over the older player as much as the kids. ... they are closer to what you are paying for. Look at Cockatoo.. right now ..he is a very expensive player for Geelong ... what sort of player would of P10 had got us? .. Im not advocating abdication of the draft just that having a good bunch of kids .. as you say... fail to progress .. their status as a junior is not always a linear transition to the elite afl.

.. and the other thing not mentioned is ..the potability now ... when we built the golden era..drafted players were a bit more glued to the team.. its like the draft worked a bit better cause of the built in lack of movement. Movement is far more accepted now...

So Id say the rating of the Suns is probably more vulnerable... I certainly like Ben King for example... and Im not alone.. will he be there at the Suns for a Lynch type period 22-28.? Carlton now would be confident most would be optimistic ..and the players that they lose now are the one that they really consider fringe...
 

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somethin not right looking at some of the positions ..rich 8th Melb 16th
This is the sort of paint-by-numbers article that the AFL website churns out without doing much more than just listing players in club order.

They were probably told to have a few hot takes that would surprise people.
 

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