I think your right about the latter there. Kepler made Nick Gill (the first gamer) look like Wayne Carey in the first quarter.
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monty1104
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Why was he played in defence. FFS have we learned nothing. Keps plays very well up forward in the VFL, only to get put in defence when he gets promoted, just to fill a hole. He has been playing up forward for weeks now in the VFL, and he just gets shifted back all of a sudden, and people expect him to play well. It just doesnt work that way.
Stupidest decision ever.
He finally gets some confidence up, playing well as a forward.
What does sheeds do? Plays him down back where he's proven time and time again he can't.
I love Sheeds, and am one of the many that wanted him re-signed.
But it's things like this that really help you understand the reasoning behind letting him go.
He finally gets some confidence up, playing well as a forward.
What does sheeds do? Plays him down back where he's proven time and time again he can't.
I love Sheeds, and am one of the many that wanted him re-signed.
But it's things like this that really help you understand the reasoning behind letting him go.
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I agree with that call except maybe they should try that at another club (maybe Melbourne) when Sheedy leaves those two could be part of a package
I will agree with that completely. I would have loved to see him get a stint up forward. Especially with Lucas doing such a roaming job...
All these posts say the same thing, why did he play back then. Thats the answer I want from the club
RED AND BLACK SOLDIER
All Australian
Well the good thing is, he didn't cost us the game like last time he played in defence i guess .
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Styles
Debutant
Surely his "performance" yesterday means he'll never play for Essendon again.
All these people saying "Why was he played in defence? Why is he used to fill a hole? Why wasn't he given time in the forward line?"
FFS! Wake the **** up! Sheeds is the coach, he gives the orders and it is the players responsibility to himself and his teammates to excute the role he has been given to the best of his ability.
Bradley has been on our list for some time now and has not produced, nor has he improved for some time now and is being overtaken by younger guys at the club. He was comprehensively beaten in all aspects yesterday and could have cost us the game with numerous errors of judgement and generally being ******ed.
To quote Homer: "Cut"
Well the good thing is, he didn't cost us the game like last time he played in defence i guess
True but it is still not good enough
Like you we all want to see him play to see if he can transfer his good vfl form to afl but he is being played out of position. That is why I am hesitant to have him dropped cause it was not his fault this time.
There is not room for Gumby Kep and hille.laycock, only 2 (at most) of these 3 can be in the forward line with lloyd and lucas.
I dont think we have to worry about delisting him if he doesn't get another crack, he and probably johns will want to go back home to wa, that would be a shame cause both are great club people
I think you are driving on the wrong side of the road there pal. All everyone is saying is if he is to play at least play him where he should be played, forward of the centre. You dont see monfries or mj playing in the ruck out of position so why do we play him out of position constantly. Sheedy has tried to make him a KPP back and everyone else plays him as a forward and he goes really well there. In this case Sheeds is wrong and has to admit it and if he plays kep to play him as the 3rd forward
Surely his "performance" yesterday means he'll never play for Essendon again.
All these people saying "Why was he played in defence? Why is he used to fill a hole? Why wasn't he given time in the forward line?"
FFS! Wake the **** up! Sheeds is the coach, he gives the orders and it is the players responsibility to himself and his teammates to excute the role he has been given to the best of his ability.
Bradley has been on our list for some time now and has not produced, nor has he improved for some time now and is being overtaken by younger guys at the club. He was comprehensively beaten in all aspects yesterday and could have cost us the game with numerous errors of judgement and generally being ******ed.
To quote Homer: "Cut"
Styles
Debutant
Okay fair enough. He's out of position, so lets play him in the forward line. Are Essendon going to play four talls!? No.
So who do we take out? Lloyd? No. Lucas? No. Gumbleton? Yeah! We'll not give our younger guys a go so that Kep can have a crack. Pfft ... Be realistic, just because he's played well in the VFL in the forward line doesn't mean he'll play well in the AFL. If Gumbleton is this club's future CHF he should be given every oppurtunity to learn and grow.
Kep had his chance to do this. He didn't make it.
Why wouldn't you take out Gumby? Kep is a young guy too you do realise. Playing Gumby when not in top form isn't going to do him wonders. Give kep one game in the forward line- just one game. He wont do any less than Gumby did (who was impressive when he got it but didn't contribute masses)
Totally agree with your thought and structure but Kep never had the chance to play as a forward. on the weekend he played forward for about 10 minutes with the ball only entering our F50 once for 1 goal (he had nothing to do with it), after he was played forward last year or the year before and kicked goals - 1 think 4 in a quarter he should have stayed there - HFF is still his best spot.
What are we going to do next season - Lloyd, Lucas, Gumby. Bradley, Neagle - all of which are KPP who play forward - Johns has gone to the backline in the hope of getting a game (at a lot of other clubs he would be given the chance to play CHF - look at cloke at collingwood - similar build, gameplan and style) but will be competing with Lee, Chartres, Michael, Fletcher and Ryder. Our list is starting to look a little top heavy. I know the old addage is that you cant replace talls but NLM, McPhee and a few others can play tall if needed.
Do you really think he has had his chance? or are you trying to convince yourself this so if and when he is cut you can say he couldn't cut the mustard..
TheMagicRat
Rookie
How can anyone defend kepler? the guy is an oxygen theif!!!!! I have honestly not seen a less co-ordinated person attempt to play football in my life! everytime he went near the ball he was physicaly incapable of taking clean possesion of it!! To be honest Steady Eddie would be a better footballer than this unko pillock.
Back to Perth for you keps, a midrange WAFL player at best.
Back to Perth for you keps, a midrange WAFL player at best.
RED AND BLACK SOLDIER
All Australian
Because he was forced to play a position where he has played badly his entire career, and not in the position where he has been playing his best football, simple.How can anyone defend kepler? the guy is an oxygen theif!!!!! I have honestly not seen a less co-ordinated person attempt to play football in my life! everytime he went near the ball he was physicaly incapable of taking clean possesion of it!! To be honest Steady Eddie would be a better footballer than this unko pillock.
Back to Perth for you keps, a midrange WAFL player at best.
Styles
Debutant
Totally agree with your thought and structure but Kep never had the chance to play as a forward. on the weekend he played forward for about 10 minutes with the ball only entering our F50 once for 1 goal (he had nothing to do with it), after he was played forward last year or the year before and kicked goals - 1 think 4 in a quarter he should have stayed there - HFF is still his best spot.
What are we going to do next season - Lloyd, Lucas, Gumby. Bradley, Neagle - all of which are KPP who play forward - Johns has gone to the backline in the hope of getting a game (at a lot of other clubs he would be given the chance to play CHF - look at cloke at collingwood - similar build, gameplan and style) but will be competing with Lee, Chartres, Michael, Fletcher and Ryder. Our list is starting to look a little top heavy. I know the old addage is that you cant replace talls but NLM, McPhee and a few others can play tall if needed.
Do you really think he has had his chance? or are you trying to convince yourself this so if and when he is cut you can say he couldn't cut the mustard..
So, according to you, the 2008 Essendon Team will look like this next year will it?
FF: Neagle Lloyd Monfries
HF: Bradley Gumby Lucas
C: Nash Watson Stanton
R: Hille Pev Winders
HB: McPhee Ryder Chatres
FB: Lee Fletcher Michael
I/C: NLM Slatts Davey Laycock
Missing from that line up are: McVeigh, Dyson, Johns, Dempsey, Hislop, Jetta, Rama, Lovett, Houli and Welsh
Thats not inculding players who may or may not be there next year: MJ, Campo (i hope so), JJ and Heff
That line up is so top heavy it's not funny, I know that you wouldn't pick a line up like that and I'm not meaning to be a smart arse at all, all I'm saying is that Bradley is no longer required, he simply isn't good enough. We don't need another tall forward. Yes I know in a few years we may not have Lucas and Lloyd but FFS is it really worth the time and effort keeping him on the list for when this eventuates? It's not like he's going to get into the possie and after one match be a superstar, it would take several games of experience (I'm thinking a full season). Doing that could impede one of the other youngsters who have played in that position since Auskick.
The end just doesn't justify the means. I wish it was different, God when Bradley first came onto the scene I thought: "Fantastic, here's Dustin Mark II, ready to go when Fletch finally leaves." The dream hasn't come true, Ryder has taken his position, and adapted it to make it his own. Sorry Kep, you just weren't good enough.
HF: Bradley Gumby Lucas
C: Nash Watson Stanton
R: Hille Pev Winders
HB: McPhee Ryder Chatres
FB: Lee Fletcher Michael
I/C: NLM Slatts Davey Laycock
Missing from that line up are: McVeigh, Dyson, Johns, Dempsey, Hislop, Jetta, Rama, Lovett, Houli and Welsh
Thats not inculding players who may or may not be there next year: MJ, Campo (i hope so), JJ and Heff
That line up is so top heavy it's not funny, I know that you wouldn't pick a line up like that and I'm not meaning to be a smart arse at all, all I'm saying is that Bradley is no longer required, he simply isn't good enough. We don't need another tall forward. Yes I know in a few years we may not have Lucas and Lloyd but FFS is it really worth the time and effort keeping him on the list for when this eventuates? It's not like he's going to get into the possie and after one match be a superstar, it would take several games of experience (I'm thinking a full season). Doing that could impede one of the other youngsters who have played in that position since Auskick.
The end just doesn't justify the means. I wish it was different, God when Bradley first came onto the scene I thought: "Fantastic, here's Dustin Mark II, ready to go when Fletch finally leaves." The dream hasn't come true, Ryder has taken his position, and adapted it to make it his own. Sorry Kep, you just weren't good enough.
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I think you keep missing my point, that line up is ridiculous, I was merely pointing out the plethora of talls at our disposal. Adding to this list will also be darcy daniher who is a KPP. we need to seriously look at trading 1 or 2 of our better talls for a gun midfielder - hopefully eagles or crows as they are the sides with biggest shortage of talls and most mids to take a crack at.
You say ryder took his position, kep was never a chb, if he had been given the chance to play HFF we might not have taken gumby we might have got selwood. Playing people out of position can have long term effects (I am still happy with picking gumby over selwood but just using this as an example of structures etc..)
If ifs and buts were fruits and nuts then everyday would be christmas
TheMagicRat
Rookie
you are joking arn't you??????? He Can't play football at the highest level what so ever! It is not a question of position, its a question of football ability! And sorry to say he is a no tallent hack, he is another Aaron Hennerman! A trained baboon could have more effective possesions than this douche bag!!!
Styles
Debutant
I accept your point and I agree that we should off load a few talls for some young midfielders who aren't perhaps getting a chance at other clubs. But which talls are you talking about? I'm actually interested in your opinion, which talls should we be looking at to offload. IMO Bradley and Johns should be first on the list, both are W.A boys and perhaps Essendon recruiters should be scanning both WCE and Freos lists for potential mids.
I mean lets face it, with Judd, Kerr, Fletcher, Cousins and Braun all quality midfielders surely there must be some young Eagles who would think of coming home/relocating if they thought they were a chance of getting a game. The Bulldogs and the Cats have huge stocks of young mids who can't all fit in the same team and both might think they need some height.
Even if they don't give us players draft picks must also be considered. I've heard that this draft isn't very strong but IMO we are better off taking a few chances than sticking with players that quite simply cannot fit into our line up.
On Bradley, perhaps he could have been a great HFF, but its like you said.
TheMagicRat
Rookie
sorry, just can't buy that, no self respecting club would take him, he is not a Ted Richards who couldn't get a game because the coach didn't like him, Keps is a sub-standard individual, who has about as much in comon with a quality footballer (he has legs) as a datsun 180b does with a Aston Martin DB9 (yeah they both have 4 wheels).
my god you would need the powers of Lord Voldermort to convince West Coast to trade any of the players you mentioned for Kepler.
Think Bradley, Johns and maybe Lee would all come in this bracket, as I said before about Johns being similar to cloke both the west aust clubs would be interested in him, think that swans and crows would also be interested at right price with their forward line - swans need something to replace hall in couple years aswell. All the clubs which might show interest have lots of good quality mids. Eagles might give rosa for one of these with a 3rd round pick in there or anything. Trades will be done this season due to the skinny draft this season and I expect the broom to come through essendon.
Dyson, Hird, Campo, Cole, Bolton will all be gone
1 of Bradley/johns/lee will be gone
1 of mj/jj/pev will be gone (seeing as Jj has a contract would assume he is safe - done need that many of that type of player now that hislop and watson play similar roles
1 of monfries/lonergan might be in trouble (i know people wont like mentioning monfries but he has had an average year and would still attract interest)
That is 8 spots free on the list - Rama to be promoted and maybe hocking leaves 5 spots and 1 pre season pick. I feel that with the approach essendon will be taking is lets work for who will be here in 2009/2010 and will be part of it (unless something amazing happens over the next 9 weeks).
The above players i would like to see if we can trade for anything - hird and campo exceptions - might be able to package up something like mj and 3rd round for early 2nd round or similar picks/people.
What kind of jerk would have a go at players in his own team with such venom. To say you don't think a guy is good enough to play at AFL is one thing but try to back it up with arguments hey?
Kepler showed lots of promise early on playing in a position that he had never played before. When played up forward against Brisbane he kicked four goals. For the VFL he has been very impressive being played as a key forwards. He is also a tall guy who has endurance, as was shown by him playing as a winger for the WAFL prior to being drafted. This is the first year that he has had a chance to develop as a forward and has done pretty much all you could ask of him when playing there for Bendigo.
Before coming onto this forum I didn't have massive wraps for Kepler- just thought he coudl be allright. Its people like you make me always stick up for him because you frankly have no idea and are dismissing a young KPP player of little evidence. Ask those who have seen him play for Bendigo and they will tell you what he has been very good. He is definitely worth persisting with. He coult very possibly not make it but you can't label him an "oxygen thief" as you so eloquently did earlier in the thread.
