Outcoached - big time

[Mooney_d'King]

what made chappy pass that ball to kelly when 30 to 25 out? the wind???
he woulda eaten that shot-on-goal normally. kelly still got the goal in the end - but W T F??? is that the coach, player, or a combo of both??

It must be player error, unless Chappie's wired up with a radio or he takes his mobile out onto the ground and Bomber sends him an SMS.

 

[cat in sydney]

It must be player error, unless Chappie's wired up with a radio or he takes his mobile out onto the ground and Bomber sends him an SMS.

It wasn't player error, because Kelly kicked the goal. It was a split second decision made by Chappy because he no doubt had seen other kicks fade in the wind, and didn't want to risk blazing away and adding another behind to an already too large total.
In the end, it was a player-made decision, and a good one at that.

 

[DanA]

It wasn't player error, because Kelly kicked the goal. It was a split second decision made by Chappy because he no doubt had seen other kicks fade in the wind, and didn't want to risk blazing away and adding another behind to an already too large total.
In the end, it was a player-made decision, and a good one at that.

It was a poor decision. Fortunately Kelly was able to take a diving contested mark and kick the goal. Chappy should of had the shot though.

 

[Mooney_d'King]

It wasn't player error, because Kelly kicked the goal. It was a split second decision made by Chappy because he no doubt had seen other kicks fade in the wind, and didn't want to risk blazing away and adding another behind to an already too large total.
In the end, it was a player-made decision, and a good one at that.

Actually, you're quite right, I got a bit caught up in the longer running argument. I was trying to make the point that if it had been an error in this situation, it would have been a player decision, purely and simply.

 

[cat in sydney]

It was a poor decision. Fortunately Kelly was able to take a diving contested mark and kick the goal. Chappy should of had the shot though.

And if the wind had pushed it through for a behind? Then Chappy would have been blasted for not passing it to a teammate who was 10m out straight in front and wide open.
Come on, it was a good decision in the end. Yes, risky, but Chappy pulled it off, which he has the skills to do.

 

[bashar]

If you asked anyones opinion of Bomber this season before the we played Hawthorn, that would give praise with the exciting style of atacking football we are playing.

If next week iand the week after are both barry crockers then you can start whining.

nah we were 2-1 before this game...and those 2 wins came against easy opposition. had we played teams that are on form instead a young list or a list in obvious decline we would have strugled, and looking at the hawks list where they are young but most are showing signs, if we wont that game i would have given thomsan some respect.
im not going to byin the next 2 weeks if we win, coz it means jack until we play a quality team and win

 

[kickingoals]

could not agree with you more , thompson has been out coached again , was watching the game yesterday with some friends and one of them said the same and it got us talking ..... thompson has been out coached on numerous occasions , one of his biggest errors i believe is his handling or lack of handling steven king .

i believe that steven king who couldnt get a touch yesterday around the ground should have been moved too full forward , he is a very strong mark and a pretty good shot on goal , i belive that the preliminary final against the lions couple of years ago the same move would have won geelong the game and a spot in the grand final , after all geelong had 53 inside 50,s too something like 23 and still got done ..

the fact that geelong fails too win the easier winnable type games year in year out is an indication of a deeper problem within the group , ask any publican around geelong and surrounding areas about some players habits ,drinking and gambling during week and before games and it is obvious there is a culture problem and total lack of dicsipline within the club ...

geelong had a real chance too replace thompson this year and chose not too , he then in turn decided too move down too geelong from melbourne !!!!!!!! after all these years ....

 

[Renegade]

Congrats CM35 on your first quality post.

Thompson is a ****ing loser that continues to be made to look like a joke.

Why bother trying to talk up Hawthorn's ugly style of football and criticise them and then have absolutely no way to combat that style?
The absolute crap spewing from his mouth is getting tiresome.

This fool should have gone 12 months ago. Somebody tell me how a guy that's been there for 7 years with a list that has pretty much gotten better as time has gone along, will suddenly turn the boat around and lead us to glory. Aint gonna happen. The GFC board can get stuffed.

 

[nananana catman]

Thompson has no aces up his sleeve when the going gets tough. He usually swaps Milburn to CHF or simply writes off the loss. He almost seems hellbent on winning the proper way or not winning at all.

He needed to get creative in the last quarter when we were in trouble. Mooney to the ruck was an obvious one, as he struggled all week. Moving Mackie on a wing, or Kelly as a leading full forward, anything really.

I wouldnt say he was out-coached, but I think he didn't do enough when it came to the final 10 minutes and we needed some spark to get us over the line.

 

[AM]

HOW CAN YOU COACH SKILL ERRORS AND FUMBLES OUT OF PLAYERS.

THOSE ARE WHAT COST US THE GAME.

Sorry to shout, but I think people are missing the bloody point!!

BTW, Clarko set up his forward line the same way we did when they had the wind in the last quarter.

You must surely be kidding Moons. Getting the players skill level to the point where skill errors are the exception rather than the rule is at the top of a coaches charter. Roos says so; Eade says so; Blight says so etc etc.

Additionally, Bomber is just tactically inept. I hope I'm wrong but I fear this is going to be another wasted year.

 

[WE Are Geelong]

I hope I am still in context but the three posts before this all have something of interest to say...just cant be stuffed quoting you all.

Yes, why talk up Hawthorn's style of footy and then have no ace up the sleeve as far as tactics go. It was just by the book stuff that we should have been doing last year mind you but for some reason we are well behind the 8 ball countering this type of play...

Which leads onto...a lack of coaching and playing creativity again when it counted was a factor in why we didnt win the game...

Which leads onto exactly why fears for this season are well founded unless this side becomes more efficiently drilled in not just Plan As but other game plans when things get tough in a match...and some creativity is shown at coaching and playing levels to carry these 'plans' out.

My only point to add is we are lacking some real steel in the tough matches and if the trend continues we saw in 2006 and we dont start winning our competitive 50% share of these type of matches this season we wont make the 8 again.

 

[captain dewy]

Would we a better side with Leigh Mathews coaching............. i think so. what he gets out of such a young side is amazing. New coach for 08?

 

[Mooney_d'King]

You must surely be kidding Moons. Getting the players skill level to the point where skill errors are the exception rather than the rule is at the top of a coaches charter. Roos says so; Eade says so; Blight says so etc etc.

Additionally, Bomber is just tactically inept. I hope I'm wrong but I fear this is going to be another wasted year.

I hear ya, and I'm likely to be wrong, cos I ain't no coach and haven't been coached since I was 10. But we've been told that there are a heap of coaches, including David Wheadon, "skills coach", so how does all that work?

 

[Phil McCreviss]

Congrats CM35 on your first quality post.

Thompson is a ****ing loser that continues to be made to look like a joke.

Why bother trying to talk up Hawthorn's ugly style of football and criticise them and then have absolutely no way to combat that style?
The absolute crap spewing from his mouth is getting tiresome.

This fool should have gone 12 months ago. Somebody tell me how a guy that's been there for 7 years with a list that has pretty much gotten better as time has gone along, will suddenly turn the boat around and lead us to glory. Aint gonna happen. The GFC board can get stuffed.

Amen to the thoughts on Bomber Thompson.

The strange thing is that on paper the Cats have a top 4-6 team. Instead they have a dumba$$ coach who is tactically inept and logically challenged. You have the players, now its time to get a high profile coach to take you to the next level. Thompson has no clue and it was evident on Sunday.

 

[Phil McCreviss]

Would we a better side with Leigh Mathews coaching............. i think so. what he gets out of such a young side is amazing. New coach for 08?

He is out of contract this year but I can tell you getting Leigh Matthews across to the Cats will be worth about 4 positions higher on the ladder for your mob.

I have a sneaking suspicion the Hawks may make a pitch for him to come home. Maybe we can have Neville Bruns and Mark Yeates as assistant coaches

 

[TheTimeCometh]

And if the wind had pushed it through for a behind? Then Chappy would have been blasted for not passing it to a teammate who was 10m out straight in front and wide open.
Come on, it was a good decision in the end. Yes, risky, but Chappy pulled it off, which he has the skills to do.

"come on??," a barely legal (probably about 17m pass - if that) pass, that was lucky to hit an unintended target, while he was running into goal???

that kind of mind set attributes to shitty loses like these, y'know, fartin' around with it. no going into yer "box" when there is a game to win. last second decision, granted, but to me, very indicative.


i would never chew chappy up for having a shot-in-play from where he was, in the position he was. As you said, he has the skills to nail goals like that.

 

[cat in sydney]

"come on??," a barely legal (probably about 17m pass - if that) pass, that was lucky to hit an unintended target, while he was running into goal???

that kind of mind set attributes to shitty loses like these, y'know, fartin' around with it.


i would never chew chappy up for having a shot-in-play from where he was, in the position he was. As you said, he has the skills to nail goals like that.

You might not, but many fans would. Imagine if it had gone through for a point, and then the camera focuses on both Kelly and whoever else it was (can't remember) standing at the top of the goal square with no opponent, with their arms in the air wondering why he didn't pass it. No doubt many would have gone on about Chappy losing us the game in the same way as they have blamed Kingy for losing it with his handpass (which techincally, although it went straight to Crawford, was the right thing to do heading for the boundary side rather than back into the corridor - badly executed, and should have looked before passing, but techincally from a defensive point of view it was the right thing to do).

I agree that Chappy should have kicked it himself, and my heart skipped a beat when he passed it, but no doubt he had doubts in his mind as to whether he could kick it. If he had no doubts, there is no way a player like him (who is brimming with confidence) opts out of having a shot.

 

[TheTimeCometh]

It must be player error, unless Chappie's wired up with a radio or he takes his mobile out onto the ground and Bomber sends him an SMS.

too literal. i never said it wasn't player error, just queried if the coach can be questioned over the players confidences in instances such as this when the game tightens up.


tho' a hands-free headset on players would see bomber become an innovator.

 

[cat in sydney]

tho' a hands-free headset on players would see bomber become an innovator.

Maybe a 'boot phone' like Maxwell Smart.

 

[Mooney_d'King]

Maybe a 'boot phone' like Maxwell Smart.

Although knowing our mob, some idiot would end up with a boot stud in his ear and have to go off the ground anyway...

 

[cat in sydney]

Although knowing our mob, some idiot would end up with a boot stud in his ear and have to go off the ground anyway...

Hopefully Byrnes... then we could kick some goals.