Great points.
Playhq is a shamozzle, how that was brought in I will never know.
Leagues had a choice. The metro leagues chose not move over to PlayHQ because they didn't think it was capable (at least not yet). They're still using Gameday.
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Great points.
Playhq is a shamozzle, how that was brought in I will never know.
I agree of course that something needs to be done to 'close the gap'.Something needs to change to decrease the gap between the financially strong clubs and the rest. They have done an amazing job with their clubs but if the divide increase then they will have no one to play.
Instead of points could it work best to have a similar rule to Big Bash and different basketball leagues and only allow a certain number of “imports”.
Ex locals would be unlimited no matter what level they have played but maybe a limit on recruits with AFL and VFL/State League experience (say 5 games).
The maximum AFL players might be one so you have to choose wisely.
2 players max with VFL/State League experience etc.
The way I look at it this would mean Wang, Yarra, Rovers, Albury might all lose 3-4 players (not really sure) and this brings them back to the pack a bit.
I know it doesn’t help player shortage but maybe if the comp is more competitive then the interest level might grow again.
Aren't the AFL the GM of every league they are now affiliated with, so every league has signed over the power to AFL vicThis is exactly what the issue is in country football .
A tribunal or any other means to have a member suspended or penalised ‘ legally ‘ must follow the rules of the party who is handing out the penalities.
So in basic terms a tribunal must follow League rules to be legally binding .
Leagues rules can be only changed or set by the leagues members in accordance with the league rules .
Same applies with leagues by-laws .
The AFL once upon a time set very brief guidelines , over the past few years they have continually tried to muscle their way into things which they shouldn’t be and have no right to .
The worst part is their implementation of such is upon a one size fits all basis .
Did anyone get consulted about changing IT systems , the recent change of no February clearance window , clearances not being displayed upon the IT system ?
Auskick rising significantly in costs , likewise talent programs like VPPSA and the talent academies becoming user pay .
The stand rule for example being introduced at community level without any consultation .
These are the issues which result in people , particularly the ones who have to deal with the outfall at club level , saying ‘ *’ you , if we aren’t worthy of consultation we’ll go do something else where we are appreciated .
The number of club admins that have left community football post playhq being introduced is enormous .
Who in their right mind would think it was a great idea to introduce further change , by way of playhq, that wasn’t ready or fit for use. When people were already assessing what they could do instead of being involved at their local footy club .
The demise of the VCFL has seen a dictating attitude within the governing body .
Implementing into and changing community football to what suits AFL clubs and/or the AFL competition was never going to be good for community football .
There can’t be anything else expected when the governing bodies major focus and priority is rightfully the elite competition .
There needs to be significant separation between the AFL and community football or community football will die .
It only works if it's done through the state, and there are more stringent rules in metro comps. You could have metro leagues need to play a minimum 18, 1 point players and go for your life on the other 4. Regional cities with unis 16, 1 point players etc. And allow leagues to give allowances in special circumstances. Not sure that helps though long term, as stronger clubs are picking off the weaker clubs. Maybe to go to another club in the same league it goes to a tribunal hearing instead of just getting clearedI agree of course that something needs to be done to 'close the gap'.
However, for this idea to work the number of imports allowed would need to be proportional to the population each team can draw on.
For example, Yarra have done incredibly well to be as strong as they have been over the past 15 or so years. However they would very quickly join the ranks of the uncompetitive if they were not allowed any more imports than the Albury / Wang teams, based purely on population.
As a side note, it's a pity (but a reality) that any measures introduced to even up the comp are based on weakening the playing stocks of the strong clubs with no guarantee whatsoever that the lower clubs lists will improve. In the AFL, if player X is squeezed out of Club Y due to salary cap issues, player X will still be playing in the same comp. In O&M (or any country league), if a club cannot recruit a player due to equalisation measures that player is at least as likely to end up in another league as at a rival club in the same competition. So while any new measures might reduce the gap between top and bottom, it will almost certainly result in fewer quality players in the O&M.
The points system means it doesn't turn fast at all though, it's helped the stronger teams pick off the weaker teams and become stronger.
Divisional footy will never work in country footy, only the Geelong league and surrounds could work, where Torquay and ocean Grove are growing fast to compete with Geelong clubs. It would ruin a club like Osborne, who are a super successful club. You only have to see what it did to Lockington when they joined Bendigo, the first year they played finals, they spent big with some big recruits the next year and it didn't work, then there was a big disconnect from their juniors to their seniors because of only 18s played on the same day as their seniors and they lost juniors.
Something needs to change to decrease the gap between the financially strong clubs and the rest. They have done an amazing job with their clubs but if the divide increase then they will have no one to play.
Instead of points could it work best to have a similar rule to Big Bash and different basketball leagues and only allow a certain number of “imports”.
Ex locals would be unlimited no matter what level they have played but maybe a limit on recruits with AFL and VFL/State League experience (say 5 games).
The maximum AFL players might be one so you have to choose wisely.
2 players max with VFL/State League experience etc.
The way I look at it this would mean Wang, Yarra, Rovers, Albury might all lose 3-4 players (not really sure) and this brings them back to the pack a bit.
I know it doesn’t help player shortage but maybe if the comp is more competitive then the interest level might grow again.
No they weren't. All country leagues were put across to PlayHQ whether they liked it or not.Leagues had a choice. The metro leagues chose not move over to PlayHQ because they didn't think it was capable (at least not yet). They're still using Gameday.
Country leagues weren't given a choice
No they weren't. All country leagues were put across to PlayHQ whether they liked it or not.
Metro leagues haven't signed over the GM to the AFL, that's why they can choose, all country leagues bar picola haveMy apologies - I was told leagues all had a choice.
I spoke directly to a metro league GM and he said there’s no way they’re going over to it - it’s not ready.
The stand rule i believe was a league by league decision. Some league implemented others didn't. Yes they are part of AFLVICThis is exactly what the issue is in country football .
A tribunal or any other means to have a member suspended or penalised ‘ legally ‘ must follow the rules of the party who is handing out the penalities.
So in basic terms a tribunal must follow League rules to be legally binding .
Leagues rules can be only changed or set by the leagues members in accordance with the league rules .
Same applies with leagues by-laws .
The AFL once upon a time set very brief guidelines , over the past few years they have continually tried to muscle their way into things which they shouldn’t be and have no right to .
The worst part is their implementation of such is upon a one size fits all basis .
Did anyone get consulted about changing IT systems , the recent change of no February clearance window , clearances not being displayed upon the IT system ?
Auskick rising significantly in costs , likewise talent programs like VPPSA and the talent academies becoming user pay .
The stand rule for example being introduced at community level without any consultation .
These are the issues which result in people , particularly the ones who have to deal with the outfall at club level , saying ‘ *’ you , if we aren’t worthy of consultation we’ll go do something else where we are appreciated .
The number of club admins that have left community football post playhq being introduced is enormous .
Who in their right mind would think it was a great idea to introduce further change , by way of playhq, that wasn’t ready or fit for use. When people were already assessing what they could do instead of being involved at their local footy club .
The demise of the VCFL has seen a dictating attitude within the governing body .
Implementing into and changing community football to what suits AFL clubs and/or the AFL competition was never going to be good for community football .
There can’t be anything else expected when the governing bodies major focus and priority is rightfully the elite competition .
There needs to be significant separation between the AFL and community football or community football will die .
Every league bar picola in country footy used play hq, as the AFL are the GM for those leagues and it was forced on them, where many AFL employees are associated with play hq, no conflict of interest at all there, metro leagues haven't signed over control to the AFL hence why they haven't gone play hqThe stand rule i believe was a league by league decision. Some league implemented others didn't. Yes they are part of AFLVIC
Why are some leagues using PlayHQ and some SPORTSTG? Again they are both part of AFLVIC is this again a league by league decision?!
Stand rule was implemented as a rule of the game for which afl vic country didn’t attempt or gain an exemption .The stand rule i believe was a league by league decision. Some league implemented others didn't. Yes they are part of AFLVIC
Why are some leagues using PlayHQ and some SPORTSTG? Again they are both part of AFLVIC is this again a league by league decision?!
I agree about the NAB League but the VFL needs to stay. Clubs such as Williamstown and Port Melbourne have provided great opportunities for players to play at a higher level. IMO the Academies at U/12 level set the tone where kids walk away from the game because they didn't make some bs academy. The other issue is that country cities that have a Uni tend to diminish numbers from regional towns.There is a pretty simple solution IMO and it involves having talented players around all clubs more often and forcing AFL clubs to actually engage with community football.
Scrap NAB cup and also VFL .
Once a month , April - August , a NEB senior side and U18 side play curtain raiser to a AFL game against another region .
No reason a metro region or two couldn’t be part of the monthly senior matches.I agree about the NAB League but the VFL needs to stay. Clubs such as Williamstown and Port Melbourne have provided great opportunities for players to play at a higher level. IMO the Academies at U/12 level set the tone where kids walk away from the game because they didn't make some bs academy. The other issue is that country cities that have a Uni tend to diminish numbers from regional towns.
Don’t recall making any comment on CRFNL and certainly didn’t within the post you replied to ???Seems you ( know alls) have totally Given up on CRFNL. Hope they prove you wrong .
It doesn’t even work in Geelong. No one can match St Mary’s, St Joeys and Torquay for junior numbers. No surprises to see them 3 clubs continually up the top in their leagues whilst down the bottom it’s the same each year for clubs like North Shore, Portarlington etc
Is there any chance that Corowa might find a way at their members meeting?
Thinking outside the square could they play Netball on Saturday as well as the juniors who normally play Sundays? That would guarantee that they could still see people through the gate each 2nd week.
And it seems odd they didn't do what benalla did last year and put a call out to players. They haven't got a ground to use at the moment to play have they or at least any facilities at the groundWhy can’t they do what Kyneton did a few years ago and field a twos side and below for one season and try to build from there
Ground is good , it's the rooms that are f 'dAnd it seems odd they didn't do what benalla did last year and put a call out to players. They haven't got a ground to use at the moment to play have they or at least any facilities at the ground
Every league bar picola in country footy used play hq, as the AFL are the GM for those leagues and it was forced on them, where many AFL employees are associated with play hq, no conflict of interest at all there, metro leagues haven't signed over control to the AFL hence why they haven't gone play hq
Wahgunyah President on club’s Facebook 2 days agoGround is good , it's the rooms that are f 'd
Sam Walch , ex AFL employee who overseen the development of AFL media , was founder and ceo of Playhq . He was the ex cricket Australia manager of media having commenced at CA as an in house solicitor . He was also the founder and owner of Codeware a digital strategy and transformation company who added AFL as a client not long before AFL decided to transform from gameday to playhq . Sam has recently sold Codeware to Twin circle, resigned from playhq as CEO and become managing director of Twin Circles operations in Australia and New Zealand yet its believed remains a director of playhq.Chairman of PlayHQ is James Sutherland - He’s a director at Geelong FC
CEO of PlayHQ is Mark Moor - a former AFL employee
AFL Vic have gone with it and it’s a very poor system. Inferior to Gameday, which is far from perfect.