Over-rated players

[doppleganger]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/navy-inquiry/story-e6frf9jf-1225894307922





Cyril?


As in Rioli?

If that aint proof Cyril is over-rated im not sure what is.

For what it's worth, those above Judd include Hodge, Goddard, Sandilands, Swan, Lake, Montagna, Chapman, Selwood, Ablett, Bartel, Cyril, Cooney, Goodes (in the midfield).

How can they group Cyril in with the elite mids of the comp, and above Judd??

Not to mention ahead of guys like Boyd, Cross, Mundy, M.Murphy, Hayes, Dal Santo and many others.

For some reason people have elevated Cyril to elite....he aint elite yet.

 

[rose jam]

If that aint proof Cyril is over-rated im not sure what is.

For what it's worth, those above Judd include Hodge, Goddard, Sandilands, Swan, Lake, Montagna, Chapman, Selwood, Ablett, Bartel, Cyril, Cooney, Goodes (in the midfield).

haha Cyril. OK, at last they have finally seen through Judd, but Cyril. Didak should be on that list. Cooney should be off it, and Goodes not anymore.
No love for players that actually influence games more that Judd like Pendlebury, Boyd, Mitchell, and get this, even David Mundy!

 

[Slippery Pete]

Jonathan Brown

 

[Choota]

If that aint proof Cyril is over-rated im not sure what is.

For what it's worth, those above Judd include Hodge, Goddard, Sandilands, Swan, Lake, Montagna, Chapman, Selwood, Ablett, Bartel, Cyril, Cooney, Goodes (in the midfield).

How can they group Cyril in with the elite mids of the comp, and above Judd??

Not to mention ahead of guys like Boyd, Cross, Mundy, M.Murphy, Hayes, Dal Santo and many others.

For some reason people have elevated Cyril to elite....he aint elite yet.

I'm one Hawk fan who will accept Rioli is currently overrated. Not because he isn't fantastic - he is the best young footballer drafted in the last 3 years.

But right now he is not in the competition's top dozen and he is often regarded as such by the media. Strangely, Franklin's name is missing from that list in the paper. He's been the best performed CHF this year when he's played and is a far better player than some of those mentioned.

Rioli will be a superstar, absolutely no doubt. He's as exciting and talented as any young player i've seen. But right now, i'd have 3 of his teammates ahead of him - Hodge, Franklin and Mitchell.

The most overrated in Jono Brown. Plays a handful of incredible games every year and gets compared to the greatest ever to play the game. A very good player, no doubt. But his record doesn't even stack up against his own generation - Tredrea, Pavlich, Riewoldt - let alone the game's best ever.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Judd is elite in some eras and only functional in others. He has elite pace, strength, athletisicm and breaking speed, but his actual disposal by hand and foot is not elite, on either side.

I think Judd will struggle more when those athletic traits begin to dessert him. He may not be as effective into his 30's as guys with elite skills like Akermanis and McLeod.

 

[doppleganger]

I'm one Hawk fan who will accept Rioli is currently overrated. Not because he isn't fantastic - he is the best young footballer drafted in the last 3 years.

But right now he is not in the competition's top dozen and he is often regarded as such by the media. Strangely, Franklin's name is missing from that list in the paper. He's been the best performed CHF this year when he's played and is a far better player than some of those mentioned.

Rioli will be a superstar, absolutely no doubt. He's as exciting and talented as any young player i've seen. But right now, i'd have 3 of his teammates ahead of him - Hodge, Franklin and Mitchell.

I presume that list was referring to midfielders better than Judd.

To put Cyril in the top dozen midfielders is laughable....an insult to guys like Boyd, Hayes, Cross, S.Thompson, Mitchell

If that aint proof that Cyril is over-rated im not sure what is.

Yes Cyril is a great young player, so dont get your knickers in a twist Hawks Im not saying Cyril is a dud.

 

[PatrickBateman]

I presume that list was referring to midfielders better than Judd.

To put Cyril in the top dozen midfielders is laughable....an insult to guys like Boyd, Hayes, Cross, S.Thompson, Mitchell

If that aint proof that Cyril is over-rated im not sure what is.

Yes Cyril is a great young player, so dont get your knickers in a twist Hawks Im not saying Cyril is a dud.

I couldn't agree more. Whoever suggested that Rioli is superior to Judd, must judge players on a week to week basis, which is stupid. Rioli disappeared consistently when his side was down early in the season... while Judd was dominating! That was merely 10 weeks or so ago... This kind of rubbish is just a great example of a bored journalist running out of ideas.
I know one thing, as a Geelong supporter I'd take Judd over Rioli without a second thought.

On the topic of overrated players... Campbell Brown. So over exposed, even early in his career when all he did was sniper people. Regularly has little to no influence on games. Hawthorn obviously know this, as these are the best trade bait players... no one wanted him. Brown will be packing his bags for the Gold Coast as quick as he can...

 

[muttley45]

Jonathan Brown

you idiot,back to kinder

 

[Mojo]

I couldn't agree more. Whoever suggested that Rioli is superior to Judd, must judge players on a week to week basis, which is stupid. Rioli disappeared consistently when his side was down early in the season... while Judd was dominating! That was merely 10 weeks or so ago... This kind of rubbish is just a great example of a bored journalist running out of ideas.
I know one thing, as a Geelong supporter I'd take Judd over Rioli without a second thought.

On the topic of overrated players... Campbell Brown. So over exposed, even early in his career when all he did was sniper people. Regularly has little to no influence on games. Hawthorn obviously know this, as these are the best trade bait players... no one wanted him. Brown will be packing his bags for the Gold Coast as quick as he can...

Mate, your judgement seems more based on bias and resentment.

-All-Australian 2007
-Depicts the fabric of Hawthorn via his pressure, tackling, never-give-up attitude - regardless of form. Every club would be lucky to have someone of Brown's ilk in their team.

 

[rose jam]

Judd is elite in some eras and only functional in others. He has elite pace, strength, athletisicm and breaking speed, but his actual disposal by hand and foot is not elite, on either side.

I think Judd will struggle more when those athletic traits begin to dessert him. He may not be as effective into his 30's as guys with elite skills like Akermanis and McLeod.

elite pace - not any more
strength to keep himself up and hands free - yes
breaking speed - not any more
kicking - average (can't kick across his body, has no depth feel in his kicks)
handball - very good
vision - good
one touch on the ground - good
marking - very poor

 

[bigpapagman]

Any young player on the North Melbourne who they think are any good, because they aren't.


ie: Levi Greenwood.

 

[Roosurgence]

Any young player on the North Melbourne who they think are any good, because they aren't.


ie: Levi Greenwood.

It's just lucky you don't need to be good to beat Richmond

In fact you only have to look at Richmond's list to know that the majority of their players would struggle with park level footy.

How's Relton Roberts going, has he ate Benny Nason yet?

 

[Slippery Pete]

I was half serious re Jonathan Brown. He's a great player, but the topic of this thread is "overrated," and IMHO, he is overrated.

He's been an All Australian just twice. I think we get seduced by his really great performances, which are few and far between.

Pavlich performs at a much more consistent level week in week out than Brown has or ever will.

 

[PatrickBateman]

Mate, your judgement seems more based on bias and resentment.

-All-Australian 2007
-Depicts the fabric of Hawthorn via his pressure, tackling, never-give-up attitude - regardless of form. Every club would be lucky to have someone of Brown's ilk in their team.

Yet such a player is thrown into the trading pool by your own club???
Not to say he hasn't done good in his career... but truth is, Hawthorn wouldn't miss him and they know that. Hence the overrated tag.

 

[Neville Bartos]

When Rioli makes All-Australian at the end of this year, this thread will go into overdrive.

Since he's gone into the midfield he's been electric. People aren't rating him on his ability to rack up 30 possessions or have 90% disposal efficiency, they're rating him on his ability to excite, to bring the fans in, to turn a game on its head with a brilliant tackle, chase, goal, run, mark etc. where he definitely lives up to the hype. It's why we all loved Richo!

 

[mt. heart attack]

Just a note on Cyril's disposal; Roughead was asked on the Sunday Footy Show a couple of weeks back who he would rather have hit him up on a lead and he nominated Rioli. Over blokes like Hodge, Clinton Young and Burgoyne.

To the point of the topic though, I didn't really think Rioli was over rated until I read the Herald Sun article. It's one thing to have bored people rant and rave online about thier respective young players, but for such a well known media identity to honestly consider Cyril within the top ten (twelve?) mids in the league is just laughable. He simply does not have the output at this stage of his career.

I was watching Footy Classified last night and there is a similar thing happening with Dangerfield. I haven't seen many of his games but he is getting the royal treatment at the moment. Not to say he won't be a star but I am not convinced yet that he will be as good as some believe.

Of the well established players Adam Cooney springs to mind. Can play a blinder but tends to go missing. If he wasn't a Brownlow Medalist I probably wouldn't mention him but he just doesn't do enough for mine to be ranked alongside other contemporary Charlie winners such as Ablett, Bartel and Goodes.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Just a note on Cyril's disposal; Roughead was asked on the Sunday Footy Show a couple of weeks back who he would rather have hit him up on a lead and he nominated Rioli. Over blokes like Hodge, Clinton Young and Burgoyne.

To the point of the topic though, I didn't really think Rioli was over rated until I read the Herald Sun article. It's one thing to have bored people rant and rave online about thier respective young players, but for such a well known media identity to honestly consider Cyril within the top ten (twelve?) mids in the league is just laughable. He simply does not have the output at this stage of his career.

I was watching Footy Classified last night and there is a similar thing happening with Dangerfield. I haven't seen many of his games but he is getting the royal treatment at the moment. Not to say he won't be a star but I am not convinced yet that he will be as good as some believe.

Of the well established players Adam Cooney springs to mind. Can play a blinder but tends to go missing. If he wasn't a Brownlow Medalist I probably wouldn't mention him but he just doesn't do enough for mine to be ranked alongside other contemporary Charlie winners such as Ablett, Bartel and Goodes.

What you are seeing here, is if a player is a)Victorian or b)plays for a Victorian club, he is overrated by the media.

We've had some great players at the Crows and Dangerfield is among the best we've had in that age group, but he's by far receiving the most kudos from the Melbourne media. I cant ever remember Ricciuto getting this much credit, and he was an All Australian at 18.

 

[BACCS]

Cyril Rioli: I love watching this bloke play, but there is no way he is near elite status yet. I watch a lot of Hawthorn, and he seems to go missing for long periods of time, and cannot handle any sort of tag yet.

Robbie Gray: Can hardly get on the park, can go missing for long periods in a game like Rioli, and hasn't had any real eye catching performances so far in his career. The Port supporters over rate him more so than the media, but I just don't understand the hype around this guy at all.

Trent Cotchin: I'm still waiting to see why this guy was so highly rated at draft time. I know he is young and been cruelled by injuries, but the media still seem to fap over him everytime he goes near the ball, and I don't think his disposal is all that great.

 

[BACCS]

Just a note on Cyril's disposal; Roughead was asked on the Sunday Footy Show a couple of weeks back who he would rather have hit him up on a lead and he nominated Rioli. Over blokes like Hodge, Clinton Young and Burgoyne.

To the point of the topic though, I didn't really think Rioli was over rated until I read the Herald Sun article. It's one thing to have bored people rant and rave online about thier respective young players, but for such a well known media identity to honestly consider Cyril within the top ten (twelve?) mids in the league is just laughable. He simply does not have the output at this stage of his career.

I was watching Footy Classified last night and there is a similar thing happening with Dangerfield. I haven't seen many of his games but he is getting the royal treatment at the moment. Not to say he won't be a star but I am not convinced yet that he will be as good as some believe.

Of the well established players Adam Cooney springs to mind. Can play a blinder but tends to go missing. If he wasn't a Brownlow Medalist I probably wouldn't mention him but he just doesn't do enough for mine to be ranked alongside other contemporary Charlie winners such as Ablett, Bartel and Goodes.

This is the thing that annoys me about some Victorian club supporters. As soon as someone from interstate is rated over there, and given some media attention, they are overrated. I agree, Dangerfield is probably receiving a bit more credit than deserved at this point in his career, but it is the impact he has with his possessions atm which is getting the media's attention, and for once it is nice this is being recognised interstate. Another thing, do you actually see many of our games, or are you basing your opinion from the highlights given in the media? Just curious.

 

[Duskfire]

I was half serious re Jonathan Brown. He's a great player, but the topic of this thread is "overrated," and IMHO, he is overrated.

He's been an All Australian just twice. I think we get seduced by his really great performances, which are few and far between.

Pavlich performs at a much more consistent level week in week out than Brown has or ever will.

You know what, I actually agree with you. Brown is a good player, I've seen him get compared to Carey on here, which suits the overrated tag to a T. Pavlich is a much better and more consistent player and gets hardly any attention compared to Brown, Riewoldt, etc etc.

 

[Slippery Pete]

You know what, I actually agree with you. Brown is a good player, I've seen him get compared to Carey on here, which suits the overrated tag to a T. Pavlich is a much better and more consistent player and gets hardly any attention compared to Brown, Riewoldt, etc etc.

The Carey comparison is extremely flattering to Brown. Carey was better than Brown both in the air and on the ground, but especially on the ground. Carey roved packs and kicked running 50m goals like a midfielder. Brown looks heavy and plays even heavier.

And the other thing - Carey was a much better kick.

 

[bigpapagman]

Trent Cotchin: I'm still waiting to see why this guy was so highly rated at draft time. I know he is young and been cruelled by injuries, but the media still seem to fap over him everytime he goes near the ball, and I don't think his disposal is all that great.

This. Just don't tell any of my mates.

 

[bigpapagman]

It's just lucky you don't need to be good to beat Richmond

In fact you only have to look at Richmond's list to know that the majority of their players would struggle with park level footy.

How's Relton Roberts going, has he ate Benny Nason yet?

Greenwood is fat & not good.

 

[robertg22]

Brown is rated highly partially due to the fact that he is a triple premiership player, but the reality is he was not in the best 5 players on that team.

 

[King Corey]

Jonathon Brown is a gun.

A real nomination - Brett Kirk. The group hugging and tugging that goes on in commentary boxes whenever he's playing is incredible.