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May I preface this by saying that Stephen Wells has been a wonderful servant of the GFC and has done a superb job. He has drafted exceptionally well with his late selections. However, like all recruiters he has his bias and I think it has now created a glaring structural problem in our squad.

He drafts similar type players all good honest types but cant seem to find that freakish untapped talent.

Not having one aboriginal rookie or listed player is absurd, how many examples do we have to see before taking a punt on a few of them in the rookie draft and late selections.

He should be thanked and replaced and a new recruiting team should be assembled ASAP. Geelong has had the same recruiting team for years and it is high time some new blood stepped up in support roles, who knows maybe there could be a job for some posters on here....

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so you are basing this solely on the lack of aboriginal players in the side in recent years? Just remember that for every Michael Long, there are several Ezra Brays. Being that a lot of the aboriginal talent comes from the Northern Territory, maybe it is hard to get potential recruits to "warm" to the idea of living in miserable cold Geelong.
 

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May I preface this by saying that Stephen Wells has been a wonderful servant of the GFC and has done a superb job. He has drafted exceptionally well with his late selections. However, like all recruiters he has his bias and I think it has now created a glaring structural problem in our squad.

He drafts similar type players all good honest types but cant seem to find that freakish untapped talent.

Not having one aboriginal rookie or listed player is absurd, how many examples do we have to see before taking a punt on a few of them in the rookie draft and late selections.

He should be thanked and replaced and a new recruiting team should be assembled ASAP. Geelong has had the same recruiting team for years and it is high time some new blood stepped up in support roles, who knows maybe there could be a job for some posters on here....

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You shouldn't have traded Moloney. He is just the type of player you need at the moment. :)
We know he is a good player, thats why we gave him up for the high draft pick. Also, i think he would only be a regular player because of all our injuries at the moment, but then again he may well have broken into the side on his own merit.
 

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I thought Moloney got treated harshly in your team selections last season. Seemed to be used primarily as a bench player and only given limited opportunities. Admittedly, your team was flying but I rate Moloney ahead of several of the midfielders who got greater game time and were subsequently retained.

I saw Moloney playing in your VFL side when you won the competition a few years ago and I knew then he had a lot of ability. Still reckon Moloney could make a difference as Ottens has made no discernable impact at all.
 

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I posted in on similar train of thought in the other thread.Yes we do have a samenes to our list but is this purely Welles fault, I doubt it. To a degree he would stipulate who he believes is the better player and to a degree this in essence depends on ones personal preference's but he would also be told to watch for the type the coach wanted to build around.It is well known that Mick Malthouse demanded "Fat Arsed" players from his RD, strong in the hips and over the ball. It resulted in them recruiting players like Luke Shacklton, which so the joke go's "the couch lose coins down the back of him".
My point is Welles has a fantastic strike rate,he is not a dunce, perhaps we must refine our cirteria, perhaps change our rating system a bit. For instance, considering our list is young anyway maybe we should look at the quickest bottom age player that might be, if not drafted, quite an early pick next year
 

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bulletproof said:
May I preface this by saying that Stephen Wells has been a wonderful servant of the GFC and has done a superb job. He has drafted exceptionally well with his late selections. However, like all recruiters he has his bias and I think it has now created a glaring structural problem in our squad.

He drafts similar type players all good honest types but cant seem to find that freakish untapped talent.

Not having one aboriginal rookie or listed player is absurd, how many examples do we have to see before taking a punt on a few of them in the rookie draft and late selections.

He should be thanked and replaced and a new recruiting team should be assembled ASAP. Geelong has had the same recruiting team for years and it is high time some new blood stepped up in support roles, who knows maybe there could be a job for some posters on here....

Regards

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What can you expect from him? This is the typical "if someone makes a mistake they should be sacked" stuff which is all the rage at the moment in Geelong. Have a look at our list, can you honestly say that any club has done better than us in the recruiting department? When we had a decent run of injuries this year we became flag favourites, the only clubs who were higher on the ladder than us were West Coast and Melbourne. West Coast has 4 top 5 draft picks and a number 6 in Sampi on their list, 2 of those are number 1 picks. Melbourne has Johnstone a number 1, Sylvia and McLean who are top 5 picks and possibly more I can't think of off the top of my head. Either way, these teams have had a far greater opportunity to put together a far superior list, yet when all 3 teams were at their best, Geelong was rated above them all. Does this sound like shoddy recruiting to you? We have one top 5 pick in Ottens and we had to give up a promising and quality midfielder as well as our first pick in order to get him. If Wells had the same opportunity as these other teams, we would have a player of Ottens' calibre, Moloney and our first rounder from last year.

If you are still in doubt about Wells' ability as a recruiter I suggest you have a look at where Ling, Chapman, Enright, David Johnson, Steve Johnson, Playfair and Egan were all taken. Steve Johnson is the highest out of those guys and he went in the mid 20s when all the good talent is supposed to be taken in the top 20.

As for untapped talent on our list, watch the following players in the next couple of years: Tenace, Steve Johnson, Mackie, Kelly and believe it or not Gardiner. This is our untapped talent and where the next step for our club will come from.

Still reckon Moloney could make a difference as Ottens has made no discernable impact at all
I can assure you that Ottens has had a far more positive impact on our season than Moloney ever could. If you have any doubts as to the importance of Ottens to our side now, see the Melbourne game from Saturday. If Ottens did not get injured, we would've easily won the game, probably by around 8 goals.
 
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Not a member of the premiership team on the day, or are you saying he wasn't in the side for the duration of that year.
Brent Moloney was a Geelong Falcon when we won the VFL Premiership.

He wasn't even drafted until some months later.
 

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Former Geelong youngster who was traded to Melbourne as part of the Cats' deal to snare Brad Ottens from Richmond. It was a big decision by Geelong as the Cats knew they were giving up a player of considerable strength and talent. Is a real competitor and is a lovely long kick which will make him an asset, particularly on the MCG. Missed six games late in the season with a finger injury last year, but returned to play in all three finals for Geelong.

Previous AFL club: Geelong (2003-04: 23 games, 6 goals). Draft history: 2003 Pre-Season Draft 1st round selection (Geelong)

No. 4 overall; 2004 National Bank's AFL Draft traded by Geelong for No. 12 (Danny Meyer).
Don't know where you're getting your info from, but I suggest you even check your own clubs website to find some useful info.
 

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My apology. I actually thought I had seen him playing in your VFL side.

I also thought I heard him do an interview were he was talking about the team spirit in your side last year, as having been built on from having played in a VFL premiership. I guess that was mistaken too. :eek:
 

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My apology. I actually thought I had seen him playing in your VFL side.

I also thought I heard him do an interview were he was talking about the team spirit in your side last year, as having been built on from having played in a VFL premiership. I guess that was mistaken too. :eek:
back to the Geebung with you, flip-flop
 
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He would've made NO difference to our current position.
Absolutely right Jub. This myth that Moloney would have made a massive difference to us this season is just laughable. His value to Geelong is lower than for other teams because we don't have dominant marking forwards who can rake in a contested mark from a Moloney long bomb. This is Moloney's trademark, run 20m with the ball and then bomb it long inside 50. It just wouldn't work with the likes of Kingsley and co who need precision passing to leads.
 

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And the Moloney myth continues.....it's amusing to see opposition supporters being unable to wrap their minds around the concept. Hard-running midfielder who bombs long + no pack-marking forward = lots of rebounds and annoyed supporters.
 

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Lets not forget how good Brent Moloney is ... im not saying he'd have made a significant difference, but because he's a long bomb and we have no marking forwards - dont blame Moloney for that, blame Kingsley who rarely takes an overhead contested mark, and if he does he misses from anywhere outsides 3m

Romours have it Essendon offered Mark Johnson plus their first round pick for Tenace and our 2nd round pick - i would have preffered to keep beamer and drop Tenace for MJ and Ottens - as Ess's numb 1 pick would have been given to Rich to seal the deal.
 
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