Toast Ox

[LeverPuller]

Theo X!

Supposedly the legend goes he parked in Neil Balme's spot one day, and Balme stormed in in a fury screaming 'WHO THE HELL IS THEO X??'

 

[ramastar]

Supposedly the legend goes he parked in Neil Balme's spot one day, and Balme stormed in in a fury screaming 'WHO THE HELL IS THEO X??'

It's such a great story. Doesn't even need to be true...

 

[PerfectFooty]

despite my excitement for him, i am quite concerned about what may happen if he does get involved. the OX like most of you are hinting may become Garry Lyon like, and if the OX does fit into a small coaching role at the club and unearths potential than that could be worrying.
WHY?
because supporters these days are after quick solutions, we all shudder at the sound of rebuilding. Theoretically if neeld loses his job this year or the next, the club will scramble to find someone to replace him. this is were i believe it become dangerous because the club is also trying to fix it's weak culture as well. the dangerous part is supporters may see the OX as a messiah to the club, like so many believed garry might be. this could end badly with the OX or the more qualified Todd Viney into a senior coaching role, this may backfire which i believe it would. supporters in the time of looking for a new coach will point to example of other clubs such as essendon with james hird or collingwood with nathan buckly. a hasty decision may ruin the reputation of either men (Viney or the OX) when forced into a position, and there status of heros of the club may be turned upside down. let us not forget what happened to Alex jessurlenko and carlton or Kevin Barlett at richmond

 

[Klyntonius]

despite my excitement for him, i am quite concerned about what may happen if he does get involved. the OX like most of you are hinting may become Garry Lyon like, and if the OX does fit into a small coaching role at the club and unearths potential than that could be worrying.
WHY?
because supporters these days are after quick solutions, we all shudder at the sound of rebuilding. Theoretically if neeld loses his job this year or the next, the club will scramble to find someone to replace him. this is were i believe it become dangerous because the club is also trying to fix it's weak culture as well. the dangerous part is supporters may see the OX as a messiah to the club, like so many believed garry might be. this could end badly with the OX or the more qualified Todd Viney into a senior coaching role, this may backfire which i believe it would. supporters in the time of looking for a new coach will point to example of other clubs such as essendon with james hird or collingwood with nathan buckly. a hasty decision may ruin the reputation of either men (Viney or the OX) when forced into a position, and there status of heros of the club may be turned upside down. let us not forget what happened to Alex jessurlenko and carlton or Kevin Barlett at richmond

I don't think there's any chance this will happen. I would think the most realistic opportunity for Schwarz to help out would be as a part time assistant coach. If Neeld gets the arse at the end of the season then there are plenty of experienced options available with strong track records. We won't go the rookie route again.

 

[Captain Jack]

I don't think there's any chance this will happen. I would think the most realistic opportunity for Schwarz to help out would be as a part time assistant coach. If Neeld gets the arse at the end of the season then there are plenty of experienced options available with strong track records. We won't go the rookie route again.

This. Schwarz won't coach full time, and we will only ditch Neeld if 1) it's the right thing to do for the team's development and 2) we have an experienced coach such as Roos, Clarkson, Worsfold, Eade or Ratten (in that order) locked and loaded.

 

[d33my]

Shamelessly stolen from the main board:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-remains-at-helm/story-fni5f91a-1226658104602

"This weekend needs to be the last time I go to a footy match hoping my team gets walloped," Schwarz said.

Thoughts?

I can see what he's trying to say, don't know if it's completely necessary though.

I'm not totally convinced a new coach (esp. if it's a caretaker) will suddenly see record numbers turn up to watch us. Unless fans are completely delusional (well...) then most people realise we need more than a quick fix.

 

[Tulip]

I think his comments have been taken out of context (shock, horror.)

He means we'd rather lose by 100 than 60 to get the ball rolling.

 

[Viney]

It's such a great story. Doesn't even need to be true...

It is true

Re his latest comments, yes taken out of context, but shit none the less IMO

I'd prefer to win, and see this as the turn around point - and nothing else.

That's my hope every week

 

[Bluelegs]

What a stupid, pointless comment.

 

[syl]

What an arseh*le.

 

[thetank]

I totally support Ox's opinion.

Sometimes, you need to lose a battle to win the war.

I don't believe Melbourne can go forward (ie. progress to winning the war) unless Neeld is sacked. He has shown himself to be totally inept - from player management, to recruitment, to player development, to match strategy, and game day ability.

The Board is dithering and mucking around. Neeld should have been gone after the GWS match, and only by a miracle did he survive. We have wasted valuable time because of that 4th quarter against GWS.

A 186 point flogging against Collingwood will help in getting rid of him, and if the Board does their job competently, start the process of getting a better coach.

If Melbourne stays with Neeld, the club will continue losing the fans, losing sponsors, losing whatever "talented" youngsters we have left, and losing the next generation of supporters. I'd rather lose a few matches in the name of progress than to lose the MFC altogether.

 

[catman 71]

Good to hear.

However, what about what he said in the H-S today, about wanting Melbourne to fail, and wanting them to get thrashed this weekend, so that the club will sack the coach.

Neitz should instead want Melbourne to play better, and start to get wins, not want them to lose.

It would be like me saying that I would like to see Neitz go against Don McClardy, become president himself, and fail. I don't wish for that, because I would like to see your club be competitive.

I don't know how it would work, having Neitz at the club. What will happen when he crosses paths with Neeld, a man whose guts he hates so much that he wants to see him fail.

 

[Meds]

Good to hear.

However, what about what he said in the H-S today, about wanting Melbourne to fail, and wanting them to get thrashed this weekend, so that the club will sack the coach.

Neitz should instead want Melbourne to play better, and start to get wins, not want them to lose.

It would be like me saying that I would like to see Neitz go against Don McClardy, become president himself, and fail. I don't wish for that, because I would like to see your club be competitive.

I don't know how it would work, having Neitz at the club. What will happen when he crosses paths with Neeld, a man whose guts he hates so much that he wants to see him fail.

I think you miss the point of SCHWARZ's comments. He's saying that he and the fans he has talked to don't believe we can start to get wins and become competitive while Neeld is at the helm. As a result, fans are simply not going to games.

I would be more offended as a board member than Neeld. The Ox is essentially saying that the board are either too blind to see that Neeld won't turn us around, too blind to see the damage he is causing, or that they are too gutless to make a call on his future.

Interesting timing given the Kennett/Mitchell comments on radio this morning. Could we see a new ticket forming with these three figures at the head?

 

[Tulip]

What an arseh*le.

Yeah, **** Melbourne supporters who want the best for the club. Neeeldy and Craiigy will purge em on their way to 18th!

 

[Viney]

Yeah, **** Melbourne supporters who want the best for the club. Neeeldy and Craiigy will purge em on their way to 18th!

The difference being, some want Neeld to succeed and the club to turn the corner

Others just want blood

 

[Tulip]

The difference being, some want Neeld to succeed and the club to turn the corner

Others just want blood

What about wanting blood because you think, quite reasonably, that Neeld is incompetent and a change will do some good.

 

[Meds]

So, is what Ox is saying that the Melbourne board have handled the club about as well as David Scwartz handles money?

Pathetic personal attack. I'll let the Mods deal with you.

 

[Viney]

What about wanting blood because you think, quite reasonably, that Neeld is incompetent and a change will do some good.

It's impossible to say change will do good

The interesting aspect in all of this for me is that the players staunchly accept responsibility for the on field performance and back Neeld

I realise that's towing the line to some extent - but why do it with such fervour if they didn't some what believe it?

Why not just say nothing?

There's so much BS floating around at the moment, with talk of exodus, sacking the coach, not sacking him because we can't afford it etc. etc. that we honestly don't know 100% the truth of the matter and the players feelings towards Neeld

Do you know for a fact he's lost the playing group? I don't. The media doesn't.

Whilst Mark Neeld is coach, I will be supporting him, I will hope this is the week the corner is turned

Sacking him now is perilous as it is. Would it turn potential candidates away? Would a new coach do any better other than giving supporters a bit of hope? What if a new coach doesn't win a game for the rest of the season? Is it then THEN the playing group

Honestly, my belief is, rightly wrongly or otherwise, Neeld should be given until round 6 next year

1 more draft (with his recruiting manager in place for this draft), 1 more pre season to bring the Viney's / Toumpas' / Hogan's along, 6 games to show the teams progression and then gone

The only way I see it being viable to sack him before then is if a VIABLE candidate comes along OR if the rest of the year is 15 goal + losses

 

[syl]

Yeah, **** Melbourne supporters who want the best for the club. Neeeldy and Craiigy will purge em on their way to 18th!

He has a responsibility as an ex-MFC man and a media personality to leave undermining the club out of his day to day. He is damaging the club with these comments and for mine, he is not Melbourne at all anymore. There's a reason why no one at the club would want him involved at the moment.

 

[syl]

What about wanting blood because you think, quite reasonably, that Neeld is incompetent and a change will do some good.

Your two posts have summed it up perfectly.

 

[Tulip]

He has a responsibility as an ex-MFC man and a media personality to leave undermining the club out of his day to day. He is damaging the club with these comments and for mine, he is not Melbourne at all anymore. There's a reason why no one at the club would want him involved at the moment.

If the Ox isn't Melbourne, than neither am I. He, like me, believes that our coaching staff and board are running this club into the ground and need to be gotten rid of.

 

[syl]

He is ex-Melbourne. Has nothing to do with the club anymore, too busy making money in the media and spouting off his gob.

If he wants to help the club, then that would be lovely. But right now, he is just sinking the boot in for clicks and ratings like all the other footy media flogs.

 

[Tulip]

...
The only way I see it being viable to sack him before then is if a VIABLE candidate comes along OR if the rest of the year is 15 goal + losses

I'll address the bottom part of your post, it's summed up quite well.

15+ goal losses are the kinds of numbers that Fitzroy of the 90's and Richmond of the 90's-2010 would laugh at. It's literally unacceptable, whenever it happens - yet people are happy to see it happen under the banner of progress.

Like one day players like Bail and Evans are going to run through their 50/100 game banner and start playing like A grade footballers.

You're all being hoodwinked. Shame on you, you fooled me once. Shame on me, you fooled me twice.

How ****ing funny was Schwab on WW going through players games and talking about pumping matches into young players to improve.

"Bennell will improve when he hits 45 games, Morton will become a key player after 100" etc.

Neeld is scrapping to keep his job with the exact same line of reasoning.

He is poison, so is his assistant - they don't know what they are doing.

 

[Klyntonius]

He is ex-Melbourne. Has nothing to do with the club anymore, too busy making money in the media and spouting off his gob.

If he wants to help the club, then that would be lovely. But right now, he is just sinking the boot in for clicks and ratings like all the other footy media flogs.

He's as Melbourne as you or I. I disagree with his opinion of how he wants the club to move forward but I understand the thinking.

 

[Tulip]

He is ex-Melbourne. Has nothing to do with the club anymore, too busy making money in the media and spouting off his gob.

If he wants to help the club, then that would be lovely. But right now, he is just sinking the boot in for clicks and ratings like all the other footy media flogs.

I know it's not 2010 anymore, so a *facepalm* probably won't be effective here - but he has continued to offer the club his support. He says he will do anything, yet McLardy and Neeld are hanging up on him.

In my opinion, syl, with people like you so determined to keep Neeld and co. in their jobs: WE WILL ALL BE EX-MELBOURNE.