Delisted Paddy McCartin

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Oct 28, 2012
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Player Advocate 2016: Jackie Chiles
Player Advocate 2017: Persevering Saint

Paddy McCartin
Height: 193.6cm
Weight: 95.95kg
DOB: 19/04/1996
Recruited from: Geelong Falcons

Player Advocates:
2015: SincMagic

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Draft Profile:



Draft Trumps



2014 Highlights



Some background info (links previously posted in the megathread):
http://www.saints.com.au/news/2014-10-21/draft-profile-patrick-mccartin
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-09-14/draft-prospect-patrick-mccartin
http://www.sen.com.au/news/fair-bit-of-polish-about-roughy-comparison

Knightmare's Phantom Draft said:
6. Patrick McCartin (VIC - KPF)
Height: 193cm, Weight: 95kg, DOB: 19/04/1996
Recruited from: Geelong Falcons
Draft range: 1-8
Best position/role: Full forward.
Strengths:
Go to forward talent – McCartin is one of a small number of key forwards who at AFL level has the scope to be a genuine go to forward. He has the proven performances on the board with dominant performances in the TAC Cup and U18 championships for the past couple of seasons but also has the strong marking ability both on the lead and 1v1 as well as excellent ground level ability.
Marking ability – McCartin has rare marking ability on the lead. His trademark mark is his rare ability to take the mark down low over his toes on the lead with cleanness like you have never seen. He has excellent acceleration on the lead allowing him to create separation and he has clean, strong heads overhead and when taking his marks and out in front and has a real power on his leads where he will knock you out of his way and really launch at the footy at full pace. McCartin is also an excellent 1v1 mark and has the strength, excellent bodywork and superior ability to read the drop of the ball and protect the drop zone which allows him to take advantage of his opponent in the 1v1 contests. He can take you into the goal square and take advantage of you there with his 1v1 ability. He is also a very capable pack mark and if he does not take it he will bring it to ground.
Ability below the knees – McCartin has rare ability below the knees. He takes his trademark mark on the lead over his toes. But he also has rare ability as a key forward to pick up the ground balls and bouncing balls clearly with consistency and without fumbling making him a real threat not only as a dominant marking threat but equally so with his ground level game. After picking up the ground ball McCartin can get it onto his boot quickly or sometimes turn you around and go into an open goal or at other times create enough time and space for himself to execute a shot at goal or a pass off to someone else by hand or foot as applicable.
Power and strength - On the lead McCartin has a real power to him and will knock anyone in his way out of his path with force, particularly when on the lead at full pace. When McCartin leads he goes on really explosive leads and uses his pace effectively to create separation and also really times his leads well, he leads well finding the best spaces to lead to often electing to lead down the middle when the opportunity is there really reading the play well up the field and anticipating what is going to happen perfectly to then determine where best to lead. He also has a real strength and presence to him in the marking contest to take advantage of his direct opponent. He has the strength through the hips and core to stand up strongly and execute a handball to a target while tackled.
Field kicking and vision – McCartin is a very good field kick and has shown that he can at times lace out hit leading targets in the forward 50. He displays rare vision and a real unselfishness in the front half for a key forward often looking for players in better position.
Weaknesses:
Diabetes – McCartin has diabetes which complicates the evaluation slightly. It is an unknown if it will limit him or if so then to what extent he will be limited whether that be with his training or ability to become better aerobically or whatever the case may be. Because he has diabetes it has meant he has needed to approach his footy and diet from a young age more professionally than everyone else which has created the right habits earlier on which is a positive but his diabetes is something that will have to constantly be managed throughout his playing career.
Excess weight – McCartin while he is strongly built and very explosive he visibly seems to be carrying more weight than you would like of an elite draft prospect. From everything I hear he is professional and approaches the game with a great attention to detail with his diet and training so it will be interesting to see whether he can decrease his skinfolds and how he goes about maintaining a healthy playing weight. Whether that has any link to his diabetes or management of it I cannot help but suspect it does and while weight loss with work is very achievable in the AFL system generally for almost all draft prospects I do have concerns as whether this is something McCartin can achieve with his skin folds to remain healthy possibly needing to remain relatively high.
Set shot goalkicking – McCartin’s conversion from set shots is below average. He is prone to shanking his set shot attempts and can lose confidence in his set shot goalkicking. It seems to be a really mental thing for him but something given his excellent field kicking I feel can improve to a strong standard. McCartin’s tendency when he starts to lose confidence in his set shot goalkicking is he often will either elect to find a target in better position or will play on or attempt a snap shot at goal, and while I have no issue with this tendency my hope would be that he can get his set shot goalkicking up to a standard where he does not experience that same waver in confidence he seems to experience at the present time and has experienced in years past.
Versatility – While McCartin has some traits to suggest he could play other positions and further up the field in the future at this stage he is very much a full forward only and until he greatly improves his endurance he will remain a full forward only.
What I expect will improve:
In the most part I expect natural progression in his areas of strength and continued upward growth but the deficiency I feel McCartin can address is his set shot goalkicking and given his generally very good footskills his set shot goalkicking with further work can get up to a strong level and with time develop.
If McCartin can improve his endurance and reduce his skinfolds I also would not rule out given his ground level ability, good overall skillset, size, strength and ability to stand up while tackled to become capable of pinch-hitting through the midfield as he does have that right mix of traits to spend periods on the ball.
Who he can become?
McCartin reminds me most of Brendan Fevola without the personal issues as a talented but dominant full forward who looks most dominant and best utilised close to goal.
When will he be ready to play?
McCartin may be ready to play some games from season one but expect him to start to receive regular games from season two and start to really establish himself as a go to guy in season three.
How to best utilise him?
McCartin is best used out of the goal square or as the go to target in the forward 50.
Interpretation of his numbers:
Best performed and most dominant key forward in this draft class based on his 2013/2014 TAC Cup and U18 championships stats. Scoreboard impact and marking numbers, both uncontested and contested strong.
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Skippos said:
5. Patrick McCartin (Vic Country, Full Forward)

194 cm, 96 kg, 19/4/96
Range: 1-3
Comparison: Brendan Fevola

Patrick McCartin looks to be the safest bet of all the key forwards in this crop. While he has a few question marks, his performances have been excellent over the last two years and he possesses a mix of very AFL relevant skills. He's a smart forward who times his leads well and leads to the right areas and despite being a little too bulky he's got a good burst and creates some separation. He's clean enough below the knees when both picking up and marking and has sticky hands above them being the best one grab player in the crop. He excels one on one with his read of the ball, strength and positioning all excellent. His field kicking is excellent for a key forward. He's an okay contested mark but not someone who's going to clunk pack grabs regularly.

McCartin lacks confidence when having a set shot, often trying to play on or snap and occasionally shanks the kick. It's a mental issue not a technical issue. He's also got high skinfolds which may be linked to his diabetes (which will also have to be managed at AFL level. Currently he has to come to the bench six times a game for blood checks) but nonetheless will need to be addressed over an AFL pre-season. I don't expect McCartin to drastically change as a player but more improve on what he already has.

He's probably the most ready made key forward in the crop and currently projects as a slightly higher level Taylor Walker of 2014 (when he carried the extra weight and lost some pace because of it). I don't ever see him being a genuine top tier forward but one of the better second tier ones.

Evaluation of his prospects: As far as the key forwards in this crop go, McCartin is a fairly safe bet. While his skin folds and diabetes are a bit of a concern, he's dominant enough and consistent enough in that domination to indicate that at the very worst he'll be someone capable of providing a real option inside 50. The peak for him would be a Fevola level of domination but it's likely he reaches somewhere inbetween. I personally think he'll likely join the Petrie, Tippett and Kennedy types in that 'second tier' forward range.
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welcome and good luck to the lad.

IMO the club has done the right thing in taking a KPP this year.

Time will tell, but I doubt the decision was taken lightly.
 
First time I think I've ever seen a club draft for need instead of best available at pick 1!

I really hope this pays off. However it also shows we should have worked harder to trade down and get value, as every near other club would have taken Petracca.

This reminds me of the NFL draft a few years ago when Houston overlooked the best college player in years, to take an athletic freak who played a harder-to-fill spot. The pressure it built on everyone involved meant that even though 3 years down the line it seemed to have been the right decision, in the meantime everyone involved got fired and neither player (the one they picked and the one they skipped) reached their full potential.
 

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I started to like the idea of drafting McCartin and I'm glad we went with him
 
VDS66 said:
Can see our fwd line right now...

Mac Attack
General Lee
White Lightning

and

The Lonie Ranger (cringe)

sorry... got carried away.
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How about Top Billings?
 
Here's a good comparison for McCartin: The bloke on Open Mike right now - David Neitz. Athletic, Agressive, can hoof it a mile and is good below the knees.

Wont play CHB all that much but can (will) dominate as a KPF option.
 
sverik25 said:
Disappointed about us not taking Petracca. Maybe the club saw something in McCartin that made them rate him higher that others missed. I really hope it wasn't a draft for a need, even though they've said all along that they would be taking the best player available.
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:cool: I too originally hoped for Petracca I was wrong right call by the club outstanding recruiting trout
 
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