Retired #39 Paddy McCartin - Thank you Paddy - Always a Blood!

[mikey_san]

Bloody Hell, we've snagged another big forward from the Saints.

All the best Paddy. Hope you reach your potential.

McCartin joins East Coast VFL Swans

Former number one draft pick Paddy McCartin is the latest addition to the Sydney Swans East Coast VFL side for season 2021.

www.sydneyswans.com.au

 

[Superstar swan]

Mid season draft potentially

 

[mikey_san]

Mid season draft potentially

Surely we have first dibs on anyone in our VFL team...was he taken in the preseason one that Majak was taken by the Dees in? haven't seen any news on that draft at all other than Majak's.

 

[robbieando]

Not going to lie, if he can overcome the concussions and earn a spot on the senior list next season could lead to a pretty interesting forward line with him and McDonald going forward.

 

[RUNVS]

Bloody Hell, we've snagged another big forward from the Saints.

All the best Paddy. Hope you reach your potential.

McCartin joins East Coast VFL Swans

Former number one draft pick Paddy McCartin is the latest addition to the Sydney Swans East Coast VFL side for season 2021.

www.sydneyswans.com.au

We haven't really as we don't get priority access to him in the mid-season draft. Still, if he is concussion free in the next 4 months I really hope we do pick him up in the midseason draft.

 

[Millky95]

If he plays well he'll be taken by anyone below us with a free list spot.

 

[mikey_san]

We haven't really as we don't get priority access to him in the mid-season draft. Still, if he is concussion free in the next 4 months I really hope we do pick him up in the midseason draft.

If true then that's just bizzare. Should be an ability for the club employing to match any offer - a kind of restricted free agencty. North might be interested after losing Sideshow Bob, but Paddy can let it be known if he wants to stay and we want him I guess. If he gets a gig elsewhere and it's only half a season with the Swans so be it I guess.

 

[JackSwans]

If he plays well he'll be taken by anyone below us with a free list spot.

Clubs aren't that selfish, he's relocated to remain in Sydney long term

 

[Millky95]

Clubs aren't that selfish, he's relocated to remain in Sydney long term

Smells like a GWS grab

 

[DavyRed]

Oh, I like that, I like that a lot!

Great way to ease him back into footy, track his progress and potentially draft him later if the club and he are comfortable with how he’s playing and his health status. Plus he has the support of his brother to help things along.

 

[caesar88]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't there be the same kind of unspoken rule as in the pre-season & rookie drafts, where other clubs don't go after a player that another club has made an investment in? ie. Alex Johnson

Alex Johnson

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32

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92kg

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Def

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Last 5

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13.6

3star

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8.7

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4.8

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4.4

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T

2.2

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MG

111.5

2star

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D

12.2

3star

K

8.2

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HB

4.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.6

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in 2017, Jack Martin

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29

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82kg

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16.2

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10.0

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6.3

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4.9

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3.7

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0.9

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D

14.9

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7.9

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7.0

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4.3

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3.6

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8.2

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4.6

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3.6

3star

M

1.8

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T

2.0

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0.6

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in 2019, and Jackson Hately

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Jackson Hately

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23

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191cm

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85kg

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15.3

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8.5

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6.8

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2.6

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0.7

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D

14.2

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8.4

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5.8

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4.8

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1.4

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0.4

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17.2

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8.6

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8.6

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M

5.6

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3.0

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CL

0.8

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last year?

 

[JackSwans]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't there be the same kind of unspoken rule as in the pre-season & rookie drafts, where other clubs don't go after a player that another club has made an investment in? ie. Alex Johnson in 2017, Jack Martin in 2019, and Jackson Hately last year?

Correct, but also given Paddy's completely relocated, clubs will speak to him and you'd imagine that he'd repay the Swans by telling them that he wants to stay, football clubs don't tend to draft players that don't want to join them.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Mid season draft potentially

Seems too talented to be a vfl listed player.

Are other teams allowed to sign him MSdraft? I assume so

 

[Marcel Proust]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't there be the same kind of unspoken rule as in the pre-season & rookie drafts, where other clubs don't go after a player that another club has made an investment in? ie. Alex Johnson in 2017, Jack Martin in 2019, and Jackson Hately last year?

I doubt it scum clubs like essendon won't care

 

[Marcel Proust]

Correct, but also given Paddy's completely relocated, clubs will speak to him and you'd imagine that he'd repay the Swans by telling them that he wants to stay, football clubs don't tend to draft players that don't want to join them.

If a club needs a tall and paddy is kicking bags the will go for it imho

 

[Tedeski]

Hypothetical here!
Perhaps no other teams' insurance company were prepared to take any risk on such a player with concussion history without a huge premium.

I give you

 

[BloodySwan]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't there be the same kind of unspoken rule as in the pre-season & rookie drafts, where other clubs don't go after a player that another club has made an investment in? ie. Alex Johnson in 2017, Jack Martin in 2019, and Jackson Hately last year?

Definitely an unspoken rule, but there is absolutely nothing stopping any other club from taking him.

 

[caesar88]

Definitely an unspoken rule, but there is absolutely nothing stopping any other club from taking him.

Yeah that's true.

I imagine that's the risk the club was prepared to take. It's not like we get nothing out of him if he ends up at another club. As he mentioned in his interview, he will still be an asset for our VFL side.

 

[McRobie]

With his medical history, no club would want to be attached to “snatching” him from the swans. They’d be absolutely ridiculed, in the worst kind of 2021 ridicule culture.
If we want I’m, he goes to us.

 

[BloodySwan]

I was pretty disappointed we didn't give McCartin a rookie spot so very pleased with this choice. In the end this is the safest way to go about the whole thing, for both McCartin & the Swans

 

[hairy biker]

Seemingly out of step, but not keen on Paddy's signing.

35 games from his debut in 2015 to his delisting at the end of 2019. 8 separate concussions.

AFL 2019: St Kilda’s Paddy McCartin details horrific impact concussions have had on him

‘Can’t do basic things’: Saint left ‘a shell of a person’ by concussions

www.foxsports.com.au

McCartin’s most recent concussion, which he suffered against the Western Bulldogs during the JLT Community Series, has left him battling light sensitivity, “really bad” headaches which then cause sleep deprivation, dizzy spells and bouts of depression.
“I can’t do stuff - I can’t go to the supermarket when it’s busy or go to a cafe with my girlfriend, or drive my car..... the most recent incident has made him “a shell of the person” that he was."

Sure he has got the 'all clear', but what happens when he gets his next knock to his head?
Sometimes a person has to be protected from themself.
And I hope we took legal advice, to protect ourselves, if it goes pear-shaped.

 

[robbieando]

Hypothetical here!
Perhaps no other teams' insurance company were prepared to take any risk on such a player with concussion history without a huge premium.

I give you
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All AFL Players have their total and permanent disability insurance issued as a group via the AFLPA's insurance tender process to keep their premiums down as risk factors are spread by the group and not borne by any one individual. The last tender was awarded to One Path, which is owned by Zurich and includes cover for the effects of concussion.

Players can seek individual insurance but teams don't get involved and in Paddy's case, he would be worse off doing so as his premium would be much higher than under the AFLPA's cover as his risk factors would be well known and factored into any policy he could get and underwriters may likely exclude him from claiming for anything concussion related.

 

[caesar88]

Seemingly out of step, but not keen on Paddy's signing.

35 games from his debut in 2015 to his delisting at the end of 2019. 8 separate concussions.

AFL 2019: St Kilda’s Paddy McCartin details horrific impact concussions have had on him

‘Can’t do basic things’: Saint left ‘a shell of a person’ by concussions

www.foxsports.com.au

Sure he has got the 'all clear', but what happens when he gets his next knock to his head?
Sometimes a person has to be protected from themself.
And I hope we took legal advice, to protect ourselves, if it goes pear-shaped.

The problem though is that nobody can stop Paddy himself from doing what he loves. If he's not doing it at the AFL level, or even state league level, where they have access to the best resources to help him should something go wrong, then he'll just be doing the same thing, but at some local club without those resources.

So I think in an inadvertent way, we are protecting Paddy from himself by giving him the safest pathway possible to do what he wants to do.

 

[Marcel Proust]

With his medical history, no club would want to be attached to “snatching” him from the swans. They’d be absolutely ridiculed, in the worst kind of 2021 ridicule culture.
If we want I’m, he goes to us.

If the Treloar thing can happen there are no more rules

 

[Superstar swan]

When is the deadline for the supplementary signings or have we passed that. I wasn’t sold on mccartin at first but he looks to be in better condition than he was throughout his career. Shows a high level of dedication. Worth a rookie spot at least