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Each is important but personally depends on the game and circumstances.
Average: tests. You want a bowler who can get less runs per wicket
ODI: strike rate. Need to take wickets really fast with such a limited time
T20: economy. Dont want to be chasing a lot

With batting though averages sometimes can be misleading. At one point Johnson had a career average better than Bradman and had nearly reached the minimum innings requires. Why? He had only gone out once. Scored i think it was 140~ before he went out a second time. Was Johnson a better batter than Bradman?
Economy would have to rate in ODIs as well...a lot of the time a spell of 0/30 is going to be more valuable than 2/50, obviously depends on the circumstances.

Nothing compares to simply watching them bowl though. If you've seen a lot of two bowlers you don't need stats to tell you which one is better.
 

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With batting though averages sometimes can be misleading. At one point Johnson had a career average better than Bradman and had nearly reached the minimum innings requires. Why? He had only gone out once. Scored i think it was 140~ before he went out a second time. Was Johnson a better batter than Bradman?
I'd like to see runs scored per innings and balls per boundary (probably more important for limited overs) at least included as regular batting statistics too. You can calculate them yourself, but it would be good to have them as "built in" pieces of information.
 

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this is what happens when you pick t20 chumps to play test cricket. maxwell is a shocking selection, not a test cricketer, never will be.
I never saw Maxwell's innings tonight, I don't really need to. I've seen him play and can just imagine what he was all about. Batting 4 for Australia chasing 570, he walks in at 2/34, Australia needing 2 batsmen to be there at least until Tea. He faces 28 balls for 37 (including a six) and then has his castle knocked over. Gee, way to chase 570 Maxwell. I didn't see his dismissal, don't want to know.

Being a Test cricket fanatic, I've seen some wonderful players bat 4 for Australia. Greg Chappell, Ricky Ponting, Mark Waugh, Doug Walters, Bob Cowper, Kim Hughes, Alan Border, Michael Hussey, Michael Clarke ..... and now Glenn Maxwell. Guess which one doesn't belong? People say it's too simplistic to blame 20/20 for a decay in standards in cricket, but I'm sorry, that's the way it appears.

I ache for the future of our Test team when a clown like this can even make the team let alone bat in such an exalted position.
 

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I'd like to see runs scored per innings and balls per boundary (probably more important for limited overs) at least included as regular batting statistics too. You can calculate them yourself, but it would be good to have them as "built in" pieces of information.
They do the latter in the big bash
 

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I never saw Maxwell's innings tonight, I don't really need to. I've seen him play and can just imagine what he was all about. Batting 4 for Australia chasing 570, he walks in at 2/34, Australia needing 2 batsmen to be there at least until Tea. He faces 28 balls for 37 (including a six) and then has his castle knocked over. Gee, way to chase 570 Maxwell. I didn't see his dismissal, don't want to know.

Being a Test cricket fanatic, I've seen some wonderful players bat 4 for Australia. Greg Chappell, Ricky Ponting, Mark Waugh, Doug Walters, Bob Cowper, Kim Hughes, Alan Border, Michael Hussey, Michael Clarke ..... and now Glenn Maxwell. Guess which one doesn't belong? People say it's too simplistic to blame 20/20 for a decay in standards in cricket, but I'm sorry, that's the way it appears.

I ache for the future of our Test team when a clown like this can even make the team let alone bat in such an exalted position.
Maxwell was due to bat three. Lyon came in as nightwatchman but it doesn't change the fact that Maxwell is still currently our #3.
 

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Being a Test cricket fanatic, I've seen some wonderful players bat 4 for Australia. Greg Chappell, Ricky Ponting, Mark Waugh, Doug Walters, Bob Cowper, Kim Hughes, Alan Border, Michael Hussey, Michael Clarke ..... and now Glenn Maxwell. Guess which one doesn't belong? .
We don't have any other realistic option who would look like they'd belong...
 

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I never saw Maxwell's innings tonight, I don't really need to. I've seen him play and can just imagine what he was all about. Batting 4 for Australia chasing 570, he walks in at 2/34, Australia needing 2 batsmen to be there at least until Tea. He faces 28 balls for 37 (including a six) and then has his castle knocked over. Gee, way to chase 570 Maxwell. I didn't see his dismissal, don't want to know.

Being a Test cricket fanatic, I've seen some wonderful players bat 4 for Australia. Greg Chappell, Ricky Ponting, Mark Waugh, Doug Walters, Bob Cowper, Kim Hughes, Alan Border, Michael Hussey, Michael Clarke ..... and now Glenn Maxwell. Guess which one doesn't belong? People say it's too simplistic to blame 20/20 for a decay in standards in cricket, but I'm sorry, that's the way it appears.

I ache for the future of our Test team when a clown like this can even make the team let alone bat in such an exalted position.
its even worse, if it wasnt for the night watchman he would be at number 3.
 

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Maxwell was due to bat three. Lyon came in as nightwatchman but it doesn't change the fact that Maxwell is still currently our #3.
He was #3 for this match. He's not entrenched for the next 15 Tests. He probably won't even play in Brisbane.
 

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We've got better options at number 3 than Maxwell.

Smith and Hughes for instance
That doesn't mean they belong in that company.

I'm not overly perturbed by it. With all our "better" options performing mediocre, it's worth a go at something different.

People were also saying the same about Warner. That he was just a slogger with no patience. He's now our best performing batsman and one of the best in the world.

Maxwell's background would suggest it's unlikely he'd be able to step in and perform as a quality test number 3 but I don't think those expectations would have been placed on him either. If we see him as a genuine test option, he needs experience at the level. I'm sure we'd prefer him down the order but there's no spot available, there is at 3 and there's an absence of players demanding the position.

There's an argument that Smith could be promoted and have Maxwell slot in lower but I'm not convinced that Smith is a good option. The team may also want to keep Smith settled in his position rather than a knee jerk move up the order.
 

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I never saw Maxwell's innings tonight, I don't really need to. I've seen him play and can just imagine what he was all about. Batting 4 for Australia chasing 570, he walks in at 2/34, Australia needing 2 batsmen to be there at least until Tea. He faces 28 balls for 37 (including a six) and then has his castle knocked over. Gee, way to chase 570 Maxwell. I didn't see his dismissal, don't want to know.

Being a Test cricket fanatic, I've seen some wonderful players bat 4 for Australia. Greg Chappell, Ricky Ponting, Mark Waugh, Doug Walters, Bob Cowper, Kim Hughes, Alan Border, Michael Hussey, Michael Clarke ..... and now Glenn Maxwell. Guess which one doesn't belong? People say it's too simplistic to blame 20/20 for a decay in standards in cricket, but I'm sorry, that's the way it appears.

I ache for the future of our Test team when a clown like this can even make the team let alone bat in such an exalted position.
You don't want to see it. You don't. Shot selection, where are thou?
 

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That doesn't mean they belong in that company.

I'm not overly perturbed by it. With all our "better" options performing mediocre, it's worth a go at something different.

People were also saying the same about Warner. That he was just a slogger with no patience. He's now our best performing batsman and one of the best in the world.

Maxwell's background would suggest it's unlikely he'd be able to step in and perform as a quality test number 3 but I don't think those expectations would have been placed on him either. If we see him as a genuine test option, he needs experience at the level. I'm sure we'd prefer him down the order but there's no spot available, there is at 3 and there's an absence of players demanding the position.

There's an argument that Smith could be promoted and have Maxwell slot in lower but I'm not convinced that Smith is a good option. The team may also want to keep Smith settled in his position rather than a knee jerk move up the order.
What has got me stuffed is why people in high places are enthralled by the "X factor" that Maxwell allegedly has. Test cricket isn't a tv reality talent show.
 

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What has got me stuffed is why people in high places are enthralled by the "X factor" that Maxwell allegedly has. Test cricket isn't a tv reality talent show.
He can play spin better - if he bothers - than some of our others but he seems to make no effort when in test cricket to bat sensibly at all, in any situation. He seems to think it's a race.

I don't know if he's been told to go for it or wtf else, as it looks bizarre when he comes out like Murali or Tom Hogan and just swings at everything.
 

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I never saw Maxwell's innings tonight, I don't really need to. I've seen him play and can just imagine what he was all about. Batting 4 for Australia chasing 570, he walks in at 2/34, Australia needing 2 batsmen to be there at least until Tea. He faces 28 balls for 37 (including a six) and then has his castle knocked over. Gee, way to chase 570 Maxwell. I didn't see his dismissal, don't want to know.

Being a Test cricket fanatic, I've seen some wonderful players bat 4 for Australia. Greg Chappell, Ricky Ponting, Mark Waugh, Doug Walters, Bob Cowper, Kim Hughes, Alan Border, Michael Hussey, Michael Clarke ..... and now Glenn Maxwell. Guess which one doesn't belong? People say it's too simplistic to blame 20/20 for a decay in standards in cricket, but I'm sorry, that's the way it appears.

I ache for the future of our Test team when a clown like this can even make the team let alone bat in such an exalted position.
 
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