Pakistani frauds Bakhtiyaris set to be deported

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"They were Port Power supporters and had attended games."

Bleeding heart drivel

If that is not enough evidence to deport their sorry arses out of the country then what is?
I still find it hard to fathom the vindictive hard-hearted compassionless attitude of about 70% of ungrateful Australians, you should be ashamed of yourselves
 

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Our immigration policy could be a lot compassionate in regard to those we let in, particularly in processsing time. Waiting four or five years in patently rediculous. Even getting residency can take over 3 years

Our dentention and processing of aslyum seekers could also be a lot more humane and applications expediated.

It should be noted that over 80% of the aslyum seekers that Howard so successfully vilified back in 2000 were successful in thier applications.

But then as I stated do not let facts get in the way of a good dose of hysteria.

But then Germany has just placed restriction on the immigration of Jews from Eastern Europe.
 

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It should be noted that over 80% of the aslyum seekers that Howard so successfully vilified back in 2000 were successful in thier applications.

But then as I stated do not let facts get in the way of a good dose of hysteria.
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You are correct but what you and others never mention or may not realise is that the reverse applies when similar applicants ie "afghans" and Iranians apply via the UN detention centres outside of Australia then the failure rate is close to 90% in some centres. This is despite the fact the same conventions are applied. The reason for this according to a Jesuit refugee centre guy I know is that its considered safe for these people to go home from a muslim country like Indonesia but they face real trouble if deported from Australia, thus leaving them more open to persecution. Thus they have a massive incentive to get to Australia.

http://www.hambastegi.org/internationalnews/news043001.htm

The government has secretly decided to order Iraqi Kurds seeking refuge from the war-torn country out of Britain. The Home Office has admitted to an unannounced change of practice' in the way it assesses asylum claims from Iraqi Kurds who say they are fleeing Saddam Hussein and conflict in the region. This has led to a dramatic increase in the refusal rate. In February, the last month for which figures are available, 78% of Iraqi applicants were refused asylum or exceptional leave to remain, compared with 14% in July 2000. The refusals peaked in October when 91.4% of those seeking asylum were ordered out of Britain. (The Guardian (U.K.), April 25, 2001)


We are damn generous with our interpretation of the rules.
 

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Our immigration policy could be a lot compassionate in regard to those we let in, particularly in processsing time. Waiting four or five years in patently rediculous. Even getting residency can take over 3 years
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Missed that point. correct me if I'm wrong but I think the processing time is alot less than that. Isnt it only those who repeatedly appeal decisions and exhaust every avenue take 3 or 4 years.
 

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BlueMark said:
Our immigration policy could be a lot compassionate in regard to those we let in, particularly in processsing time. Waiting four or five years in patently rediculous. Even getting residency can take over 3 years

Our dentention and processing of aslyum seekers could also be a lot more humane and applications expediated.

It should be noted that over 80% of the aslyum seekers that Howard so successfully vilified back in 2000 were successful in thier applications.

But then as I stated do not let facts get in the way of a good dose of hysteria.

But then Germany has just placed restriction on the immigration of Jews from Eastern Europe.
But do you agree with an "OPEN DOOR" policy?

Should all illegal immigrants who get here be given the benefit of the doubt?

Should they be given precedence over the "legals" in waiting in UN camps for admittance here?
 

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I should have clarified I was talking about people who apply outside of Australia, have a ex-workmate for whom it took 10 years. Our processing within Aust takes around two.

Jane the rules consistantly change at the whim of the Minister. A very close friend has been in the process of getting permanent residency for the last three years and the amount of times the critrea has changed is rediculous. Good news though. Pending International Criminal checks they will be granted residency.

Hint 'imaginary' girlfriend
 

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But do you agree with an "OPEN DOOR" policy?

Should all illegal immigrants who get here be given the benefit of the doubt?

Should they be given precedence over the "legals" in waiting in UN camps for admittance here?
Jane I have clarified my position.
 

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I should have clarified I was talking about people who apply outside of Australia, have a ex-workmate for whom it took 10 years. Our processing within Aust takes around two.

Jane the rules consistantly change at the whim of the Minister. A very close friend has been in the process of getting permanent residency for the last three years and the amount of times the critrea has changed is rediculous. Good news though. Pending International Criminal checks they will be granted residency.

Hint 'imaginary' girlfriend
Okay. Agree. It's aggravating and stupid. But what about the case of the "illegals"? Should there be an "open door" policy and they be given blanket benefit of the doubt at the expense of those who are waiting "legally" in UN camps?

Regarding the whims of the department - i wonder if this is the well known disease where middle level bureaucrats have to constantly change the rules in order to justify their jobs?

My daughter had no trouble getting her residency in UK after 4 years on an employer sponsored visa. The poms are now funding her to do a Masters degree at the Imperial College of London Uni!!! A small compensation for the convicts.
 

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Okay. Agree. It's aggravating and stupid. But what about the case of the "illegals"? Should there be an "open door" policy and they be given blanket benefit of the doubt at the expense of those who are waiting "legally" in UN camps?

Regarding the whims of the department - i wonder if this is the well known disease where middle level bureaucrats have to constantly change the rules in order to justify their jobs?

My daughter had no trouble getting her residency in UK after 4 years on an employer sponsored visa. The poms are now funding her to do a Masters degree at the Imperial College of London Uni!!! A small compensation for the convicts.
On the other side, my next door neighbours moved here from the UK, sponsored by the SA Govt. He is a plasterer, but has no trade qualifications (apparently in demand), but is no brain surgeon. At the same time, a friend of mine has been conversing with an Afghan via the web, who is a qualified doctor, but the same scheme is not extended to him, despite the fact we need more doctors. He is willing to go to the country areas if required and there is a massive shortage of GP's in the rural sector. I understand that he would need re-training and updating, but this must surely be better than waiting in vain for a GP to volunteer. It seems there is one rule for one race and another for the others. The Govt. is also advertising for police in the UK, why are they not advertising elsewhere? Do you have to be English to understand the language?
 

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The Govt. is also advertising for police in the UK, why are they not advertising elsewhere? Do you have to be English to understand the language?
Is Harold Salisbury reapplying?



On the Bakhtiyaris.. I would like to think our government is this diligent for all. I am also concerned as to why there is this confusion surrounding there home residence? I have no problem with them been sent back , but what happens after? Does Amanda have a chardy and congratulate herself on ridding Australia of potential terrorists? Or does she follow up as the Bakhtiyaris walk out into a hot Pakistani sun and wonder where they will sleep that night?


I am not one for ''queue jumpers'' so dont ask me for compassion, all I ask is if they are to be sent back , what is in place for them to start again?
 

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I am not one for ''queue jumpers'' so dont ask me for compassion, all I ask is if they are to be sent back , what is in place for them to start again?
That second bit sure sounds like compassion to me you old softy.
 

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That second bit sure sounds like compassion to me you old softy.
Shhhhh



No just common sense IMO. It is good PR to be able to say ''look we even provided accomodation for them for 3 months'' rather than have the world press scream' PAKIS SENT PACKING TO LIVE IN PACKING BOXES'

Clever not compassion
 

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Shhhhh



No just common sense IMO. It is good PR to be able to say ''look we even provided accomodation for them for 3 months'' rather than have the world press scream' PAKIS SENT PACKING TO LIVE IN PACKING BOXES'

Clever not compassion
we denying we have compassion, i'd say compassion is a plus as a human trait
 
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