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[kimirocks]

TRANSFER RUMOURS
Former Gunner Patrick Vieira wants to join Manchester United — and hopes to have a deal done inside 48 hours. (The Sun)

Spanish International Marcos Senna is poised to join United in the next few days, if terms to a deal with club Villareal can be reached. (Various)

Ash Cole turned up at Arsenal training yesterday to avoid a £60,000 fine, and will speak to Arsene Wenger later in week to okay move to Chelsea for £25 Million. (The Sun)

A Rude awakening for Spurs chairman as Wigan demand £5.5m cash for Chimbonda. (The Guardian)

Glenn Roeder won't be bringing Sol Campbell to Newcastle, but he wouldn't mind a bit of Marlon Harewood. (The Guardian)

Injury plagued Liverpool midfielder Harry Kewell could be on his way to Spain if Rafael Benitez can persuade Atletico Madrid forward Fernando Torres to come to the Merseyside team.

Marseille winger Franck Ribery will not join Arsenal, Manchester United or Lyon for the coming season. (Various)

Brazilian full back Roberto Carlos has said he wants to continue with Real Madrid after speaking to new coach Fabio Capello, and thus talks with Turkish giant Fernebahce have ceased. (Various)


OTHER GOSSIP
Sir Alex Ferguson has handed Roy Keane's No 16 shirt to Michael Carrick after paying £18.6m for the former Spurs midfielder. (The Guardian)

Steve McClaren's failure to convince Alan Shearer to join his backroom staff has forced the England manager to seek alternative means to coax the best out of Wayne Rooney. (The Guardian)

Liverpool are set to be spared having to play the second leg of their Champions League qualifying tie against Maccabi Haifa in Tel Aviv after UEFA switching next week's UEFA Cup qualifiers to neutral venues abroad. (Various)

There will be no FA Cup final at Wembley in 2007 according to Australian firm Multiplex. The stadium is now due to be ready for large events from June 2007. (Various)

Football Funnies
Andriy Shevchenko will be singing to John Terry’s tune when he goes through the most terrifying two minutes of his life later this week. And if the Chelsea boys do not like what they hear, Shevvy and Ballack will be pelted with bread rolls or anything their baying pals can get their hands on (The Sun)

 

[manureid]

TRANSFER RUMOURS
Former Gunner Patrick Vieira wants to join Manchester United — and hopes to have a deal done inside 48 hours. (The Sun)

Spanish International Marcos Senna is poised to join United in the next few days, if terms to a deal with club Villareal can be reached. (Various)

Why the hell would United sign both these 30 odd year old midfielders after just spending 18 mill on Carrick. One maybe (and not Vieira-this rumour will go on until he retires and never happen), and Senna seems a cheaper option.

 

[DaSawx]

Why the hell would United sign both these 30 odd year old midfielders after just spending 18 mill on Carrick. One maybe (and not Vieira-this rumour will go on until he retires and never happen), and Senna seems a cheaper option.

They're obviously not going to sign both, these are English papers we're talking about. I'd rather Vieira IMO if United want to win as many games as they can

 

[kimirocks]

I think Senna would be the back up option to Vieira, but honestly he's the one seeking the move, so if United want him, they have got him. He would be dirt cheap as well, coming from Juventus.

 

[footylover18]

Juventus midfielder Patrick Vieira has made a 'come and get me' plea to Manchester United.
[ The Sun says the ex-Arsenal star, 30, has decided to quit Juventus after their relegation in the Serie A match-fixing scandal.
Vieira said: "Everyone wants to play for a club like Manchester United at the very highest level. It might be difficult after nine years at Arsenal but anything can happen in football.
"I will certainly not be playing for Juventus next season after they were relegated to Serie B.
"I believe my future will be sorted out in the next 48 hours."
Vieira joined Juventus for �13.7m last summer after nine years at the Gunners.
But with the Turin side dumped from Italy's top flight and without Champions League football, Juve need to off-load their highly-paid stars.
That means United boss Alex Ferguson could get Vieira for as little as �6m.

Would be a wonderful signing. Would still prefer Mascherano given his age, however Viera at around 6million would represent tremendous value that shouldn't be ignored. If this tranfer does occur maybe we could still afford a top quality striker also? Certainly hope so.

 

[GOALden Hawk]

Torres - yes please.

 

[Shinboners]

They're obviously not going to sign both, these are English papers we're talking about. I'd rather Vieira IMO if United want to win as many games as they can

I'd be pretty happy to get either player.

Vieira is the safer option in that he has played and flourished in the Premiership before. But a few here have questioned whether his body can stand up to the rigours of the game. This could be one reason why United pushed through the RVN sale so quickly - remove one key reason that could stop Vieira from joining us.

 

[DaSawx]

I'd be pretty happy to get either player.

Vieira is the safer option in that he has played and flourished in the Premiership before. But a few here have questioned whether his body can stand up to the rigours of the game. This could be one reason why United pushed through the RVN sale so quickly - remove one key reason that could stop Vieira from joining us.

I'd be happy with either as well as we most certainly desperate for not only a good definsive midfielder but depth in midfield as a whole.

But if I had to choose I'd choose Vieira. He was a big reason France made it to the final and we Juventus were solid last year (despite the bribing). I know the Premiership is different but he is proven there and would be better than Senna to give us a better tilt in the CL.

 

[footylover18]

I'd be happy with either as well as we most certainly desperate for not only a good definsive midfielder but depth in midfield as a whole.

But if I had to choose I'd choose Vieira. He was a big reason France made it to the final and we Juventus were solid last year (despite the bribing). I know the Premiership is different but he is proven there and would be better than Senna to give us a better tilt in the CL.

There is no competition between Viera and Senna. Ages similar, prices about the same (Viera no doubt on larger wages though). Viera is a better player period. He's also proven in the EPL. I'd be shocked if we had a choice between Senna and Viera and went with the Spaniard.

I'm hoping SAF is trying to decide between Viera and Mascherano.

 

[kimirocks]

Torres - yes please.

I have a deep soft spot for Liverpool, aminly due to Gerrard, Alonso and Kewell, so would happily see Fernando make the switch to the EPL (providing no Arsenal or Man Utd). Unfortunate thing is I can't really see him wanting to leave Spain, and have heard possibilities of him going to Italy in the mid-season transfer period. We'll see how it goes, and I hope for your sake (and not mine) that he joins the Reds.

 

[Shinboners]

I'm hoping SAF is trying to decide between Viera and Mascherano.

I don't think Mascherano is a viable option due to the nature of the company that holds his contract.

I get the feeling that if Fergie can get either Vieira or Senna signed up in the next couple of days, he'll be concentrating on trying to get Torres signed. There are a few rumours that Torres is very torn between wanting to play for United and staying loyal to the Atletico (the club he barracked for as a boy). The other problem that United face is getting the funds together to make a bid.

 

[kimirocks]

The other problem that United face is getting the funds together to make a bid.

Torres will probably come at the cost of about €50 million, a little out of their price range with the uber tight Glaziers.

 

[footylover18]

I don't think Mascherano is a viable option due to the nature of the company that holds his contract.

I get the feeling that if Fergie can get either Vieira or Senna signed up in the next couple of days, he'll be concentrating on trying to get Torres signed. There are a few rumours that Torres is very torn between wanting to play for United and staying loyal to the Atletico (the club he barracked for as a boy). The other problem that United face is getting the funds together to make a bid.

No doubt that the alleged links between MSI and Mr Abramovic would make any transfer involving Mascherano extremely difficult. In any case it's going to require a massive bid. If Mascherano is the next Makelele and SAF believes this then IMO he should meet whatever price is quoted. Mascherano is like 21 or something and can anchor our midfield for the next 10+years.

I'd still prefer Viera + Torress than Mascherano + no striker signing though.

 

[Shinboners]

Torres will probably come at the cost of about €50 million, a little out of their price range with the uber tight Glaziers.

€50 million is about £35million. If that's the price that Atletico demand, then Chelsea is probably the only EPL club that could afford to pay it.

Personally, I think that if Atletico were to sell him, the fee would be more likely to be in the £25mil to £30mil range. At the lower end, United could probably get the money together, but with no certainty. At the higher end, I don't think the Glazers would be willing to put in the funds.

 

[Caj]

Torres will probably come at the cost of about €50 million, a little out of their price range with the uber tight Glaziers.

I would think that he'd be well out of Liverpool's as well

 

[Shinboners]

I'd still prefer Viera + Torress than Mascherano + no striker signing though.

Bloody hell. That's a very tricky choice to make.

I think I'd probably take Mascherano over Vieria + Torres. Players that can control the midfield are like gold, and all the great United sides have had strong midfields.

 

[footylover18]

Bloody hell. That's a very tricky choice to make.

I think I'd probably take Mascherano over Vieria + Torres. Players that can control the midfield are like gold, and all the great United sides have had strong midfields.

True. The first option gives us a better opportunity to win immediately. Mascherano is probably the better long term option though.

 

[DaSawx]

There were rumours Fergie had a 25 million kitty this english summer. Add the cash for Mikel and RVN and take away the Carrick fee it is close to even.

If that is the case then if a midfielder is signed I don't like the chance of Torres coming.

If United do not sign a striker do you see us playing 4-5-1 with Rooney up front on his own or do you still see him partnering Saha/Solkjaer/Rossi more often than not?

 

[manureid]

Latest word is that Roman is weighing in with a 30 mill stg bid for Torres as he does not want to see him go to United. No mention of Mourinho wanting him, more Roman does not want anyone else to have him.

It may come down to what the lad wants to do. More money at Chelsea, or play for a real club like United....

 

[footylover18]

There were rumours Fergie had a 25 million kitty this english summer. Add the cash for Mikel and RVN and take away the Carrick fee it is close to even.

If that is the case then if a midfielder is signed I don't like the chance of Torres coming.

If United do not sign a striker do you see us playing 4-5-1 with Rooney up front on his own or do you still see him partnering Saha/Solkjaer/Rossi more often than not?

I don't see Rooney playing up front on his own. He isn't that type of forward. We saw how innefective he was for England playing that role. If we do play a 4-5-1 It would prob be a formation that would change to a 4-3-3 when we have the ball.

ie


In Defense:


G.Neville------Ferdinand---------Vidic---------Heinze


----------------Viera/Senna/Masch-----------------------


Ronaldo----------Scholes--------Carrick-------Rooney


------------------------Saha------------------------------



In Attack:


G.Neville------Ferdinand---------Vidic---------Heinze------




---------Scholes----Viera/Senna/Masch---------Carrick



-------Ronaldo---------------------------Rooney---------



--------------------------Saha-----------------------

 

[kimirocks]

I would think that he'd be well out of Liverpool's as well

Going by the rumours it would be a player + cash deal, or a three way situation, involving Kewell and probably [FONT=&quot]£18-20 Million, which for a young World Cup hardened star like Torres would be fair. I'm not sure if Benitez would be that keen after the failure of Morientes to translate his Spanish style to the EPL (although Xabi Alonso has done alright). David Villa was another option, but I am not sure if this avenue was closed.[/FONT]

 

[Ed_Gein]

Villa avenue is more than likely closed. We were in for him before he left Zaragoza and decided to join Valencia instead, he recently signed a contract extension which ends in 2011.

Torres would be far too expensive for us. We wouldnt even pay half the 50m Euro you quoted in another post.

 

[moomba]

Distin is expected on Teesside today for talks with Boro.

 

[kimirocks]

Villa avenue is more than likely closed. We were in for him before he left Zaragoza and decided to join Valencia instead, he recently signed a contract extension which ends in 2011.

Cheers for that, obviously missed it.

 

[DB10]

TRANSFER RUMOURS
Former Gunner Patrick Vieira wants to join Manchester United — and hopes to have a deal done inside 48 hours. (The Sun)

Never was and never will be a Gooner.