Roast Passengers!

[hoss]

Pav and Mayne started the rot.

 

[peppy la pew]

who replaces Johnson in the absense of Silvani?

I've got a busted clothes peg lying on the pavers, in the back garden.

Couldn't be any worse

 

[refresh]

McPhee could go back and Anthony forward

however WC would extend us for height with Kennedy, Darling, Lynch and floating ruckmen.

My point is MJ will play due to lack of alternatives

 

[believe_it]

1. Inanimate carbon rod
2. Dead weasel
3. Dodd
4. Air
5. Electrmagnetic radiation

Ok for the other four but cmon that's just nasty

 

[OuterWing Parrot]

McPhee is fine,
Palmer was a joke, his worse game among bad games, he must go. He caused numerous turn overs. Replace him with walters or Crighton.

Johnson must go surely. McPhee to the backline and anthony into the forward line. If not he should go when Silvagni is available

Mayne should be a flanker, he is just not a good focus. Pav should be at CHF, he is looking slow in the middle, I think he would be more damaging as a focus

Roberton will find it hard to hold his place when Mzungu and Hayden are available

The defence was ok today when you think how quick the ball was coming into their forward line.

Our forward line lacked focus and structure (except bradley) - there was so many times that the ball was bombed into a group of 3-4 forwards all trying to mark at the same time. The forwards need a kick up the arse for that performance

Agree with a lot of this. I'd add JVB - talk about chocolates to boiled lollies! Was great at subi but had no impact today. And what about the Duffield - nowhere to be seen for much of the game - again, he was great last week but was missing today. The MJ haters bore me, but I agree he had another poor day and probably would benefit from a wake-up call. Still, the real problem was up forward. We should have been 4 goals up at QT. Thank god for Keplar and Ballas (in the first half) - the only forwards who made a meaningful contribution. And what was with Mayne taking a set shot from the boundary after he'd stuffed up 2 from right in front??? that was just plain selfish in my view.....like 'maybe i can fluke this and make everyone forget the easy misses'.

 

[Sman-21]

I get the feeling mayne has been told to trust himself an anytime he takes a mark inside his range he has to go back an take the shot.
As in the past he would always look to get it to someone else.

 

[Moo]

You know how they say you can't replicate goal kicking under match conditions in practice?

How about we give Mayne 10 sets shots at goal from 30m out at a slight angle. Every one he misses he gets tasered??

Seen his hair?

I think Harves has been doing this.

 

[Freo2012]

Couldnt believe how often tigers were running with a bunch of free players into our f50 with no one there putting any pressure on.. it was like they had 5 more blokes out there.. Dont feel like you can blame the defence when they have so many free opposition players running into 50. That said I reckon Mcphee into middle/rotating thru backline, pav forward and in mid, see how he goes against coasters. anthony in for jono, hes earnt his crack.

Carrying passengers is an absolute cancer - it permeates through the whole team sub-conciously.

Never ever play someone who is not totally committed. There should be no doubt in each players mind that they have put a total effort in. This is not about form, its about application. The very first requirement of any champion team is that there is no compromise on endeavour, ever. When will Harvey learn that?????

Only the true champion player should ever be contemplated playing into form - all others will just cause cancerous side effects culminating in that last quarter capitulation.

Fck off the passengers and bring in players who are willing to put it all out there. Do not let them back until they can somehow prove they will deliver endeavour every week. Lets give these new players to Freo a chance to show if they have that endeavour - too many that are gifted weekly gigs are going missing.

 

[BananaOnTheRun]

"I would say that we're getting carried by too few at the moment, which is an issue for us. I made a big point of making sure that we share the load in that area. Unfortunately we're not, so we need to look at who we play in our side and make sure that that doesn't happen."
Harves in post game press conference.

players are on notice.

 

[Freo4life]

Not saying he is on the same level or indeed a passenger, but to those saying 'at least McPhee has a crack' didn't McManus always have a crack? Dodd? Schammer?

 

[Clay Davis]

Not saying he is on the same level or indeed a passenger, but to those saying 'at least McPhee has a crack' didn't McManus always have a crack? Dodd? Schammer?

Yeah, but lingering in everyone's mind is Michael Johnson. Who prefers to have a crack on a milk crate in Northbridge.

 

[Man of Men]

Harves said that everyone but 5 players were passengers and one of those 5 was pav who was relatively ineffectual. Let the coaching staff do their best, if they back someone in then i support them because (hopefully ) it means they know what theyre doing

 

[Freo4life]

Yeah, but lingering in everyone's mind is Michael Johnson. Who prefers to have a crack on a milk crate in Northbridge.

Touche

 

[The Purple Hill]

My opinions:
Palmer: has been a passenger. Was useful in a couple of games but ordinary in at least 3. Could be last chance hotel for a while if he plays this week. Just doesnt seem to have any confidence or awareness

Johnson: I reckon he is being under utilized. He was playing on Vickery yesterday (who is a crab and was lucky to get a couple of goals that just landed in his arms). MJ is at his best when allowed to be creative. I wouldve liked to have seen him put into game late yesterday on ball or even up forward (Harves was out coached yesterday clearly). He was just playing a lock down roll. I thought he was pretty good against Bulldogs especially late. Still an important player but only if used creatively

McPhee: has been good nearly every week this year, yesterday not his best day but has hardly been a passenger.

Roberton: Was horrible but I must say being the Sub must suck balls. Most players from most clubs are struggling to have an impact as sub. He needs to either be in the starting 21 as he is very fit, durable and can run all day. I would like to see a true impact player as sub (someone like Walters, Pitt or even someone like Michie or Mellington). Gary Rohan is the only sub I have seen all year have a real impact on a game (I am sure someone will come up with someone else)

Broughton/Duffield: Both have been passengers. Some will disagree but Duffman cant win a one on one to save himself and Broughton just doesnt seem himself. They have copped little criticism on BF but for there talent have definetly been passengers but wouldnt be dropped

Only players I would drop this week would maybe be Palmer or Roberton as we dont have a lot of guys pushing up especially if Ballas, Fyfe and or Kepler miss. Remember people we are 4 and 2 which we all wouldve been happy with at this stage before Round 1 given our woeful pre season form and injuries. Suban, Barlow, Tendai and Roger will strengthen us later in season hopefully

 

[dominguez]

McPhee isnt a passenger-
Johnson definitely
Rhys - definitely atm
Roberton has been poor for a string of matches now

Spot on, all three were terrible IMO.

 

[HowieD]

Roberton: Was horrible but I must say being the Sub must suck balls. Most players from most clubs are struggling to have an impact as sub. He needs to either be in the starting 21 as he is very fit, durable and can run all day. I would like to see a true impact player as sub (someone like Walters, Pitt or even someone like Michie or Mellington). Gary Rohan is the only sub I have seen all year have a real impact on a game (I am sure someone will come up with someone else)

Only players I would drop this week would maybe be Palmer or Roberton as we dont have a lot of guys pushing up especially if Ballas, Fyfe and or Kepler miss. Remember people we are 4 and 2 which we all wouldve been happy with at this stage before Round 1 given our woeful pre season form and injuries. Suban, Barlow, Tendai and Roger will strengthen us later in season hopefully

This is crazy. You're blasting Roberton when he performed, for the best part of 2-3 quarters, brilliantly. He stuck to his gameplan and warmed that bench like no one else has warmed it before him! He wore that stupid sub vest with pride and to be honest, his performance there in the first half is something a coach can only dream of. He stuck to the coach's game plan and executed his arm up laps with vigour. When required though, he kept that bench close and his backside barely left it. Never before have I seen such a close checking first half of football by a defender.

While the glory of such a team orientated performance will be lost on you, Dylan Roberton sacrificed his own game so that others could look better. If it weren't for Roberton's success keeping the home fires burning, Sandilands may have failed to poll a brownlow vote. Shame on you all!

 

[Seppo]

My Buddy has been carting around a few passengers for the last few weeks.

Time to let them off at the next stop in a place called the 'Magoos'. If they don't get off the bus there, its heading across the border to the greater western suburbs of Sydney...

 

[Lach72]

My Buddy has been carting around a few passengers for the last few weeks.

Time to let them off at the next stop in a place called the 'Magoos'. If they don't get off the bus there, its heading across the border to the greater western suburbs of Sydney...

Sensational

 

[Nickos66]

Fyfe = The Transporter.

 

[boydl]

This is crazy. You're blasting Roberton when he performed, for the best part of 2-3 quarters, brilliantly. He stuck to his gameplan and warmed that bench like no one else has warmed it before him! He wore that stupid sub vest with pride and to be honest, his performance there in the first half is something a coach can only dream of. He stuck to the coach's game plan and executed his arm up laps with vigour. When required though, he kept that bench close and his backside barely left it. Never before have I seen such a close checking first half of football by a defender.

While the glory of such a team orientated performance will be lost on you, Dylan Roberton sacrificed his own game so that others could look better. If it weren't for Roberton's success keeping the home fires burning, Sandilands may have failed to poll a brownlow vote. Shame on you all!

HAHAHAHA! So true only player who could go into the 3 quarter time huddle with his head held high knowing he could not of done any better.

 

[DockerLand1]

Spot on, all three were terrible IMO.

It is time to Bring in JA and 'Unleash the SIBO!!!!!!!'

 

[The Purple Hill]

Chad Jones kicked 8 on Sibo on the weekend so no chance

 

[PapaJ]

Had a good look at the game this morning and I was particularly disappointed in these players:

Mayne - Like most dockers fans, I love Mayne. But not only did he miss shots any fwd should get (he should have been one of BOG with 4-2 or 5-1 in truth), but even his pressure wasn't quite up to the maniac level that he usually displays and I think the missed shots sapped his confidence a bit all round. Mayne's game, except for a goodish effort to get his hands on the ball enough to be dangerous, was generally bellow par. Not a passenger, but if he keeps it up that form, he could well be rightly put into that category.

MJ - I've resisted the MJ bashing train, I don't want to get on now. But he was definitely one of the ordinary ones in this game and has been so-so for a good part of the season (though not as bad as many make out). Must be feeling the pressure now.

VJB - had a feeling what happened would happen. He's just not to the level where he will consistently give you those quality games.

McPhee - he was OK, like others have said wouldn't call him a passenger, just not in great form.

Ibbo - I really like Ibbo, but his effort without the ball in particular was very very ordinary. He must be feeling the interrupted start of the season because for a fairly athletic guy, he just looked slow and unable to keep up with the game. Very disappointed and he needs to lift or he's going to have to spend time in the magoos IMHO.

Roberton - added nothing off the bench. It's a tough gig I reckon to get to the pace of the game (and this one was right up there) coming in late, but he wasn't even close. Given who came off (Frodo), he probably wasn't the sort of player we needed as a sub anyway. Either way, he was most definitely a passenger in this game - overall though he's been OK. SNOS would have his spot though if he were fit.

 

[yakamoto]

PapaJ, I think you have made incisive comments on the players you have listed.
Ibbo has sailed under the radar a bit as we're a forgiving lot. Since his return he's been reasonable at getting the ball and disposing of it. However he seems to lose pretty well every one on one contest he's involved in and as you say seems to contribute nothing off the ball. A lot of people thought he was good against the W Dogs but close scrutiny of the tape would leave him extremely embarrassed.
What did you make of Clancee's game? I know it was his first game in a poon's age but he didn't add much to the mix. Was he supposed to be playing on Houli? Houli absolutely killed us. Maybe we'll see Crowls straight back in without him actually doing anything to regain the spot - unless of course he he had a fitness problem last week which led to his omission.

 

[PapaJ]

PapaJ, I think you have made incisive comments on the players you have listed.
Ibbo has sailed under the radar a bit as we're a forgiving lot. Since his return he's been reasonable at getting the ball and disposing of it. However he seems to lose pretty well every one on one contest he's involved in and as you say seems to contribute nothing off the ball. A lot of people thought he was good against the W Dogs but close scrutiny of the tape would leave him extremely embarrassed.
What did you make of Clancee's game? I know it was his first game in a poon's age but he didn't add much to the mix. Was he supposed to be playing on Houli? Houli absolutely killed us. Maybe we'll see Crowls straight back in without him actually doing anything to regain the spot - unless of course he he had a fitness problem last week which led to his omission.

You would expect Ibbo to take a few weeks to get up to speed, but yea, as said, his defensive game isn't there and just his work rate is not up to it. He's never been one of those "gut running will to the contest" type players, but he's still down on what he can be IMHO.

As for Pearce - mixed bag. He did some good things but faded out at times (especially late), but that's the nature of where he was playing to some extent. If he had have kicked his two goals then I think he would have got a pass mark. As you're alluding to though, the issue was also his fwd pressure work which was so so. He did have Houli at times and Houli absolutely burnt him. Unfortunately, pace has never been one of Pearce's strong points and he's not a good match up for that sort of player. Crowley has the track record of holding that sort of player better - but he's not been in great form either to say the least. I would have liked Jack to have played TBH instead of Pearce as scoreboard pressure was what we missed the most.