Autopsy Pathetic - HFC v CFC, Rd 16, 2019

[sirlothie]

Was just kidding mate, I don't use that term to offend.

Mr Positive in bad times, Mr Negative in good times.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Mr Positive in bad times, Mr Negative in good times.

Not at all, I founded the 'Sad Sacks' on Nicks after 2014, I wanted Buckley's head on a platter, went by the name of Defender and Bob Sugar.

 

[No SPIN]

When has it been said injuries have no impact? You are just making things up now, Spin-Doctor.

Wonderful of Richmond to belt a VFL-equivalent Gold Coast. Completely validates your points tho

Finally you get it injuries - matter and the VFL team Rich had on the field for most of the season could not have demolished CG they way last nights team did.
Now do you understand my point ? - I won’t stoop to the level of adding a red faced emoji.

 

[No SPIN]

Of course they impact on your ability to perform to the teams best but it shouldn't impact on a teams hunger, physicality, aggressiveness given context of previous weeks, running to support, running to break lines make options or defend.


People aren't up in arms because we lost but the manner in which we are playing soft, uncohesive, low skilled, panicky, lacking run and dare stagnant crap.

My comments are aimed at the people here who have no perspective .
We don’t lose yesterday in the way we did with a few more senior players and cool heads.

I understand your point about effort.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

You'd want to hope England never comes to a sudden stop Slater, you'll end up with your nose up their Ass.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I don’t doubt you, and I know you are a respectful supporter. Unfortunately there are some posters who continue to post overly negative views. I have made a decision recently to place many of them on ignore.

We used to have a rules thread but I couldn’t find it. I did find this in the Carlton board -

“Repetitive negative agendas will be watched closely. This is a forum for Carlton supporters, not Carlton detractors, so if you dip predominantly into the latter, you leave yourself open to sanctions. Objectivity is the key.”

I reckon we could follow this rule as well, it would improve the board, IMO.

You want this sub forum to be a forum for Carlton supporters?

 

[No SPIN]

4 1st round picks for Treloar and Beams.
3 2nd round picks for Aish and Murray.

We've gotten 2 good years from Treloar and 2 pretty poor years. Stat padder. May never be the jet he used to be after doing his hammy's.
2 good games from Beams and now he's done before we even get to the finals. So wish we could've gotten the gun he was last year at the Lions.
Maybe 5 or 6 good games from Aish in 4 years. Injuries to the side are the only reason he's gotten as many games as he has.
Murray was good for the first 4 or 5 games of 2018 and ended up getting dropped because of how costly his turnovers were getting.

We got nothing for Witts or Marley in trades.
Witts is now the first ruck for Gold Coast and one of the better ruckman in the comp.
Marley is back to his 2015 form at North.

What did we end up getting for Dale Thomas and Wellingham? Honestly asking because I don't remember.

I'm ignoring how we actually did well in some trades (Howe, Varcoe and Crisp we didn't have to give up a lot for), but overall from 2013 to now it's been more miss than hit.

Why couldn't we just rebuild the old fashioned way?

What a goddamn waste.

Why do you lament things that are beyond the clubs control - it’s a waste of time.

 

[No SPIN]

A quick shot of Bucks at the press conference.

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I call BS - that’s your selfie.
It explains so much about your posts.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

My comments are aimed at the people here who have no perspective .
We don’t lose yesterday in the way we did with a few more senior players and cool heads.

I understand your point about effort.

But we don't have more senior players because by this time each year they are largely confined to the rehab room. With a different list we might have a few more, but not while we still retain Reid, Elliott, Wells, Adams, Langdon, Howe and others whose names escape me, along with a few more likely to drop out given we still have 8 games to play. You can't use injuries, like they are totally unanticipated, as an excuse, because tissue, muscle and bone collapse is endemic to our playing list. We have a team riddled with physical deficiency that sheds players like a dog with mange sheds hair.

 

[gopies1981]

Best thing for the club and us fans is to not make the finals. Last years killed me. Need a few years too recover. Start the rebuild now and by 2029 we can challenge for another premiership. By then we will all be hungry and excited for success

 

[Horaceg]

Mid season slump, next

 

[Black_White]

No issue with the thread title as the thread starter has stated their reasoning.
And hard to argue that reasoning.
The on field performance compared to the expectations, from both supporters and coaches, was lacking.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Why do you lament things that are beyond the clubs control - it’s a waste of time.

It is not beyond the clubs control when the powers to be within the club traded for these players. No one put a gun to their head and said they had to accept two first rounders for Treloar and Beams and a 2nd round pick for a Sydney rookie listed player who had played an AFL game.. They chose to make these deals, so it was exactly within the clubs control. It’s time to hold them accountable for overpaying.

 

[jackcass]

Cats are about to lose 2 of their past 3, let's write them off too.

Puts a different perspective on our narrow victory over the Doggies.

 

[jackcass]

How did Howe not get rubbed out? Hope someone puts one on his chin next week

Lack of impact.

 

[jackcass]

Jmac70 people just want to call a spade a spade and not dress it up as a shovel or whatever. If you think that a euphemistic title is going to make the players feel more buoyant about their loss then I truly believe you need to rethink your belief in the purpose of public forum. The team played like crap. They were not disappointing - they were pathetic. Just accept the thread title and the teams performance and move in.

While im not invested in the "pathetic" discussion, I think Jmac's point in part is valid. These autopsy threads at a minimum should include some detail about who we played and the round. Something like "2019 R16 - Hawks roll over pathetic Pies". Means you can do meaningful searches down the track.

 

[Maggie5]

While im not invested in the "pathetic" discussion, I think Jmac's point in part is valid. These autopsy threads at a minimum should include some detail about who we played and the round. Something like "2019 R16 - Hawks roll over pathetic Pies". Means you can do meaningful searches down the track.

That was the point I was trying to make, you can be my ghost writer from now on.

 

[jackcass]

Hell, perhaps the win against the Dogs was better than some thought because you know, the Dogs are pathetic and all that.

Yeah, people get fixated on ladder position but it's not the determinant it once was with all the equalisation measures we've experienced. Days of gaining an advantage via FD spending or hiding players away or inequitable zones are long gone.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

While im not invested in the "pathetic" discussion, I think Jmac's point in part is valid. These autopsy threads at a minimum should include some detail about who we played and the round. Something like "2019 R16 - Hawks roll over pathetic Pies". Means you can do meaningful searches down the track.

Fair enough.

 

[Bad Horse]

What about ‘Horse s**t’?

Now I'm offended.

My morning dump was way better than what we dished out on Friday.

 

[No SPIN]

It is not beyond the clubs control when the powers to be within the club traded for these players. No one put a gun to their head and said they had to accept two first rounders for Treloar and Beams and a 2nd round pick for a Sydney rookie listed player who had played an AFL game.. They chose to make these deals, so it was exactly within the clubs control. It’s time to hold them accountable for overpaying.

Club can’t be accountable for hamstring injuries and mental illness- which is the basis on you saying we overpayed.
When Treloar was flying last year no one questioned the trade.

What guarantee do you have that passing on both Treloar and Beams and using picks on other players would have resulted in a better outcome with regard to injuries?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing

 

[Swooper18]

Despite leading for the majority of the game, Collingwood failed against Hawthorn by 4 points. Collingwood's inability to score crucial goals, hit targets by foot or hand, or clear the ball from the centre when required was patently clear in allowing Hawthorn to snare the game late in the last quarter.

The Magpies had statistical gains from disposals by +8 (386 - 378), kicks by +14 (228 - 214), contested possessions by +20 (161 - 141), +7 for marks (97 - 90), +8 for uncontested marks (83 - 75) and Marks Inside 50 were +2 (9 - 7). Further ascendancy was made from hit-outs by +6 (35 - 29), clearances were +15 (42 - 27), +15 for stoppage clearances (32 - 17), and tackles were +3 (69 - 66). The Hawks got their gains from handballs by +6 (164 - 158), uncontested possessions were +17 (243 - 226), intercept possessions by +10 (82 - 72), +1 for contested marks (15 - 14), +2 for Tackles Inside 50 (15 - 13), and +22 for Inside 50's (57 - 35). Centre clearances were level (10 each).

Adam Treloar (31 disposals @ 71%, 277 metres gained, 15 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 20 handballs, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 6 score involvements, 9 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 7 stoppage clearances, 3 Rebound 50's & 1 goal) got plenty of clearances, but his skill execution was considerably poor. Tom Phillips (31 disposals @ 64%, 501 metres gained, 11 contested possessions, 20 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 18 kicks, 13 handballs, 6 marks, 3 tackles, 4 score involvements & 4 Rebound 50's) demonstrated his immense work ethic, without using the ball overly well. Steele Sidebottom (28 disposals @ 61%, 401 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 18 kicks, 10 handballs, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 3 score involvements, 6 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 4 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50's & 2 Rebound 50's) found plenty of the ball, while playing below his standards. Scott Pendlebury (25 disposals @ 76%, 340 metres gained, 13 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 14 handballs, 4 marks, 2 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 5 score involvements, 6 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 4 stoppage clearances, 5 Inside 50's & 2 Rebound 50's) had a deplorable first half with 8 disposals, before lifting in the second half with 17 disposals, and Brodie Grundy (18 disposals @ 67%, 199 metres gained, 11 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 6 handballs, 34 hit-outs, 4 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 tackles, 5 score involvements, 5 clearances, 4 stoppage clearances, 2 Inside 50's & 2 Rebound 50's) broke even in his battle with Ben McEvoy.

Jack Crisp (26 disposals @ 73%, 256 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 11 handballs, 9 marks, 6 tackles, 4 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 3 Rebound 50's) provided opportunities for his team to attack from his intercept marks. Darcy Moore (21 disposals @ 71%, 348 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 10 intercept possessions, 14 kicks, 7 handballs, 6 marks, 3 tackles & 5 Rebound 50's) took the game on with aggression, but was sloppy with his skills. Matthew Scharenberg (18 disposals @ 61%, 172 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 9 handballs, 7 marks, 2 tackles & 4 Rebound 50's) found his feet in his second AFL game of the season, and Isaac Quaynor (18 disposals @ 72%, 282 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 7 handballs, 7 marks, 4 tackles, 3 score involvements & 4 Rebound 50's) left a lasting impression on his AFL debut. Quaynor is going to be a quality defender for the next decade.

Jordan De Goey (21 disposals @ 52%, 396 metres gained, 12 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 8 handballs, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 4 score involvements, 5 clearances, 4 stoppage clearances, 3 Rebound 50's & 2 goals) appeared to be the only forward capable of scoring majors, while spending a fair bit more time in the centre square.Will Hoskin-Elliott (17 disposals @ 65%, 261 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 5 handballs, 6 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 4 tackles, 6 score involvements, 3 Inside 50's & 2 goals) may have had a solid game, but his dropped mark and waynard snap that struck the behind post in the last quarter was a huge moment gone begging, as was his dropped mark at the top of the goal square moments later, and Brody Mihocek (12 disposals @ 83%, 240 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 4 handballs, 7 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 4 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 3 score involvements & 1 goal) provided an option as a marking target with some success, but he was a bit wasteful at goal, which he'll look to address in his next game.

Collingwood's next game will be against the reigning premiers West Coast at Optus Stadium on July 12. Season-defining game to stay in the top four. That's what at stake Woods! Find your marker to catch the Eagles off balance in every quarter to claim the points.

 

[Maggie5]

Despite leading for the majority of the game, Collingwood failed against Hawthorn by 4 points. Collingwood's inability to score crucial goals, hit targets by foot or hand, or clear the ball from the centre when required was patently clear in allowing Hawthorn to snare the game late in the last quarter.

The Magpies had statistical gains from disposals by +8 (386 - 378), kicks by +14 (228 - 214), contested possessions by +20 (161 - 141), +7 for marks (97 - 90), +8 for uncontested marks (83 - 75) and Marks Inside 50 were +2 (9 - 7). Further ascendancy was made from hit-outs by +6 (35 - 29), clearances were +15 (42 - 27), +15 for stoppage clearances (32 - 17), and tackles were +3 (69 - 66). The Hawks got their gains from handballs by +6 (164 - 158), uncontested possessions were +17 (243 - 226), intercept possessions by +10 (82 - 72), +1 for contested marks (15 - 14), +2 for Tackles Inside 50 (15 - 13), and +22 for Inside 50's (57 - 35). Centre clearances were level (10 each).

Adam Treloar (31 disposals @ 71%, 277 metres gained, 15 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 20 handballs, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 6 score involvements, 9 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 7 stoppage clearances, 3 Rebound 50's & 1 goal) got plenty of clearances, but his skill execution was considerably poor. Tom Phillips (31 disposals @ 64%, 501 metres gained, 11 contested possessions, 20 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 18 kicks, 13 handballs, 6 marks, 3 tackles, 4 score involvements & 4 Rebound 50's) demonstrated his immense work ethic, without using the ball overly well. Steele Sidebottom (28 disposals @ 61%, 401 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 18 kicks, 10 handballs, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 3 score involvements, 6 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 4 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50's & 2 Rebound 50's) found plenty of the ball, while playing below his standards. Scott Pendlebury (25 disposals @ 76%, 340 metres gained, 13 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 14 handballs, 4 marks, 2 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 5 score involvements, 6 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 4 stoppage clearances, 5 Inside 50's & 2 Rebound 50's) had a deplorable first half with 8 disposals, before lifting in the second half with 17 disposals, and Brodie Grundy (18 disposals @ 67%, 199 metres gained, 11 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 6 handballs, 34 hit-outs, 4 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 tackles, 5 score involvements, 5 clearances, 4 stoppage clearances, 2 Inside 50's & 2 Rebound 50's) broke even in his battle with Ben McEvoy.

Jack Crisp (26 disposals @ 73%, 256 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 11 handballs, 9 marks, 6 tackles, 4 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 3 Rebound 50's) provided opportunities for his team to attack from his intercept marks. Darcy Moore (21 disposals @ 71%, 348 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 10 intercept possessions, 14 kicks, 7 handballs, 6 marks, 3 tackles & 5 Rebound 50's) took the game on with aggression, but was sloppy with his skills. Matthew Scharenberg (18 disposals @ 61%, 172 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 9 handballs, 7 marks, 2 tackles & 4 Rebound 50's) found his feet in his second AFL game of the season, and Isaac Quaynor (18 disposals @ 72%, 282 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 7 handballs, 7 marks, 4 tackles, 3 score involvements & 4 Rebound 50's) left a lasting impression on his AFL debut. Quaynor is going to be a quality defender for the next decade.

Jordan De Goey (21 disposals @ 52%, 396 metres gained, 12 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 8 handballs, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 4 score involvements, 5 clearances, 4 stoppage clearances, 3 Rebound 50's & 2 goals) appeared to be the only forward capable of scoring majors, while spending a fair bit more time in the centre square.Will Hoskin-Elliott (17 disposals @ 65%, 261 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 5 handballs, 6 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 4 tackles, 6 score involvements, 3 Inside 50's & 2 goals) may have had a solid game, but his dropped mark and waynard snap that struck the behind post in the last quarter was a huge moment gone begging, as was his dropped mark at the top of the goal square moments later, and Brody Mihocek (12 disposals @ 83%, 240 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 4 handballs, 7 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 4 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 3 score involvements & 1 goal) provided an option as a marking target with some success, but he was a bit wasteful at goal, which he'll look to address in his next game.

Collingwood's next game will be against the reigning premiers West Coast at Optus Stadium on July 12. Season-defining game to stay in the top four. That's what at stake Woods! Find your marker to catch the Eagles off balance in every quarter to claim the points.

Like your work Swooper18 but can you bold the players name (like above) to make reading easier please?

What are the stats for Mayne/Thomas/Cox?

 

[DerekZoolander]

Mid season slump, next

Miss finals???? Let's hope it's a mid season slump but after the hawks and Freo games well under control, the coaches need to start coaching the basics on how to close out a game.

 

[timokane]

all hit the skids since stevo debarcle